Bob Harper's Skinny Rules

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  • hammbone55
    hammbone55 Posts: 73
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    Yea seriously, I make it my goal to never be hungry. Why in the world do I need to be hungry all the time??? That was one of the biggest reasons I got into IF, I was never hungry in the morning but would eat breakfast early then I was hungry all day because I'm out of the house for 14-15 hours a day.

    Who says hunger has to be my life? Who says I'm on a diet? I work hard and collect a pay check. Why should I walk around hungry?

    What is IF?

    Anyway, every time I'm on a calorie deficit, I'm hungry. I figure if you're losing weight, you must be hungry. It's always been that way for me.

    Steve


    IF - Intermittent Fasting
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
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    I never go to bed hungry. Sounds like a pretty crap existence to be hungry all the time, honestly.

    It's the way it is, for me. It gets better after the first 4-6 weeks, but basically, I'm hungry all the time.

    I mean, if you weren't hungry, dieting wouldn't require any willpower at all!

    Steve

    I mean. I don't know how you live your life but I? I am never hungry, except right before I eat and even then I usually eat because it's time, not so much because I'm hungry. And obviously when I'm hungry I eat. I can't think of a single reason that hunger must go hand and hand with losing weight.
  • maillemaker
    maillemaker Posts: 1,253 Member
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    You definitely don't need to feel hungry to lose weight. Maybe it's the things you are eating that leave you hungry. Idk.

    Have you ever been fat?

    I remember reading an article once about fat people on diets and they looked metabolically like they were starving.

    I wonder if it's all the fat cells screaming out in terror? :)

    Steve
  • maillemaker
    maillemaker Posts: 1,253 Member
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    I mean. I don't know how you live your life but I? I am never hungry, except right before I eat and even then I usually eat because it's time, not so much because I'm hungry. And obviously when I'm hungry I eat. I can't think of a single reason that hunger must go hand and hand with losing weight.

    Out of curiosity, have you ever been fat? From your pictures it does not appear so.

    Steve
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
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    I mean. I don't know how you live your life but I? I am never hungry, except right before I eat and even then I usually eat because it's time, not so much because I'm hungry. And obviously when I'm hungry I eat. I can't think of a single reason that hunger must go hand and hand with losing weight.

    Out of curiosity, have you ever been fat? From your pictures it does not appear so.

    Steve

    I was 200+ pounds as a teenager, so yes, I've been a bit on the larger side. I got down to 145 by the time I joined the military, then 135 in the military. At no point was I hungry all the time then, even while gaining weight.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
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    You definitely don't need to feel hungry to lose weight. Maybe it's the things you are eating that leave you hungry. Idk.

    Have you ever been fat?

    I remember reading an article once about fat people on diets and they looked metabolically like they were starving.

    I wonder if it's all the fat cells screaming out in terror? :)

    Steve

    Yes, I read something about that as well. I also read recently about a gene they discovered in some obese people that made them feel hungry even after eating. We really are not all the same.
  • missiebk
    missiebk Posts: 15
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    (Sorry, still new to posting but this was in response to the guy that said he goes to bed hungry except when he was on Redux for weight loss. Bear with me, I'm learning to be a better poster!)

    Yes, yes, yes! Me, too! Always, always, always hungry! Appetite suppressant or not. I have lived my life as feast or famine but that is my issue to figure out. (Be it physical, emotional, etc.) I can eat the exact same thing as those around me and I guarantee I will be the first one complaining of hunger. I have gone to bed feeling like am starving and my stomache is as barren as the Sahara. I'm not as strict anymore but it's a mental battle to go have piece of cheese or a few almonds when I'm in the zone. Every night I am hungry from 9pm to 11pm (bed time) and I won't eat. It's the "old rules" I was taught. Don't eat late....
  • Cindyinpg
    Cindyinpg Posts: 3,902 Member
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    I have been fat (300lbs) and I have lost 118 lbs on a 1,000 cal a day deficit, (500ish now) and have rarely been hungry, unless it's right before a meal. I thank high protein and fiber intake for that. And I eat carbs at night all the time. Strawberry shortcake. :heart: But, as others have mentioned, some people are different and 'hunger' can be defined differently too.
  • marysidneyherbert
    marysidneyherbert Posts: 69
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    I haven't read all the posts here, but just wanted to comment about Bob Harper. I really liked The Skinny Rules, but his newer book, Jumpstart to Skinny, doesn't sound very healthy (he recommends 800 calories a day for women for 3 weeks, according to the reviews on Amazon, and 1200 for men). I also did his workouts on Bobharper.com for several months. They were great, but started getting a little repetitive. Now I'm doing FitnessBlenders.com and there is a lot more variety, and that keeps me interested. Bob has some great recipes and meal ideas in The Skinny Rules and on Bobharper.com, though.
  • DopeItUp
    DopeItUp Posts: 18,771 Member
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    How much of a calorie deficit are you on?

    I assume a 1000-calorie-a-day deficit. I have set up MFP for a 2-pound-per-week loss.

    I weigh 264 pounds and MFP has my daily goal at 1,640 calories. I go to the gym 3 times a week and lift for 30 minutes and ride the exercise bike for 30 minutes burning about 120 calories on the bike, according to the machine itself.

    My diary is open.

    Steve

    You shouldn't be hungry all the time. Being hungry all the time means you're eating too little, or poor choices in foods. Or both.

    It looks like you net an average of 1300-1500 calories a day. At your size that is pretty extreme, and therefore not surprising that you're hungry all the time. I would consider lowering your weight loss goal to 1.5lbs/week at MOST. Ideally 1lb/week.

    Before you ask, I started higher than your starting weight, and am presently 5lbs away from your goal weight. I rarely, rarely get hungry, usually when I simply am too busy to eat. If I'm getting hungry on a regular basis then I adjust my intake to fix it. Being hungry all the time is a great way to fail at weightloss. The human mind will only tolerate so much intentional suffering, for so long.
  • maillemaker
    maillemaker Posts: 1,253 Member
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    Yes. I have been fat. Look my profile picture on the left side. And in that picture I had already lost 30lbs. I wish I would have taken one before that one. I stand at 5'7 and my heaviest was 217 lbs. Maybe I wasn't 300 lbs but if you want to get technical about it I was clinically obese. I now weigh 143 lbs. And I worked hard to get to that. I never ate at a 1000 calorie deficit either.

    I wonder if that is part of it - you never had as many fat cells to shrink. At my heaviest I was 289, and I have not weight 217 since high school except for a brief period in 1995 or so when I got down to 202 on Redux.
    You shouldn't be hungry all the time. Being hungry all the time means you're eating too little, or poor choices in foods. Or both.

    It looks like you net an average of 1300-1500 calories a day. At your size that is pretty extreme, and therefore not surprising that you're hungry all the time. I would consider lowering your weight loss goal to 1.5lbs/week at MOST. Ideally 1lb/week.

    Well, you can see my dairy. I am down 28 pounds over 23 weeks, which is 1.2 pounds per week on average. I suspect I am not completely accurate with my calorie tracking which is why I try to stay a couple of hundred calories under my 1,640 goal set by MFP.
    Before you ask, I started higher than your starting weight, and am presently 5lbs away from your goal weight. I rarely, rarely get hungry, usually when I simply am too busy to eat. If I'm getting hungry on a regular basis then I adjust my intake to fix it. Being hungry all the time is a great way to fail at weightloss. The human mind will only tolerate so much intentional suffering, for so long.

    That is precisely what my psychiatrist friend told me years ago - that dieting was basically an exercise in pain tolerance and most people can't tolerate the pain. I agree with him.

    I don't know what to say. Ever time in my life I have ever lost weight I was hungry. My mother is the same way and says the same thing. I just ate a half hour ago - ground beef with cheese and some green beans, and I'm hungry again.

    The first 4-6 weeks were the worst, and it is much better now, but the fact is, I'm still always hungry. It's like when you get one of those ruptured taste buds or a canker sore - it's a constant nagging annoyance.

    I think it's why most people who try to lose weight fail and why dieting takes so much willpower.

    To me it only makes sense that you would be hungry. Hunger is the sensation your body generates when it needs food. If you are losing body fat stores, it's going to think it needs food!

    Steve
  • NonnyMary
    NonnyMary Posts: 982 Member
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    Yes. I have been fat. Look my profile picture on the left side. And in that picture I had already lost 30lbs. I wish I would have taken one before that one. I stand at 5'7 and my heaviest was 217 lbs. Maybe I wasn't 300 lbs but if you want to get technical about it I was clinically obese. I now weigh 143 lbs. And I worked hard to get to that. I never ate at a 1000 calorie deficit either.

    I wonder if that is part of it - you never had as many fat cells to shrink. At my heaviest I was 289, and I have not weight 217 since high school except for a brief period in 1995 or so when I got down to 202 on Redux.

    Ah ok. So I guess I wasn't fat enough so I don't qualify. Makes sense right? I don't think I've ever seen you not try to present the winning argument no matter how far you have to go. You know what they say about a man who thinks they know it all right???

    Sunday it was the addition thread where people shouldn't comment if they didn't have a "food addiction"
    Today it's we aren't hungry all the time because we were not fat enough.

    Absurd.

    I think you've said some good things to help people including to me.
  • SteelySunshine
    SteelySunshine Posts: 1,092 Member
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    I'mma gonna go make some fried green maters and mashed taters and probably a fried egg or two for dinner.
  • jayjay12345654321
    jayjay12345654321 Posts: 653 Member
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    I've lost track of the real topic here, but I wanted to comment on something in the article at the URL posted in the beginning. The author, who apparently has been traumatized by gastric damage because it's the foundation for all of her opinions, states something chemically incorrect. I know (or suspect, as far as I can tell) this is somewhat off topic, but I think if someone believes what either Bob Harper or the woman who authored the website had to say, it's worth noting.

    1. Drinking water dilutes the pH of the stomach acid and inhibits proper digestion by raising the pH too high.

    False. First off, my fellow chemistry majors out there will remember as I do that diluting a buffer with a neutral solvent cannot alter the polarity of the ions. It only increases the volume of the liquid meaning it takes longer for those unchanged ions to get the same results as an undiluted buffer. Example - hydrochloric acid will dissolve a penny. One part hydrochloric acid with one part water will still dissolve a penny. It just takes longer.

    Second, the penny example results in a longer period of time to dissolve in the diluted solution, but that is because the water goes absolutely nowhere. The buffer remains diluted the entire time. The body absorbs about 16 oz of water in 15 minutes through the lining of the stomach. What little dilution may have occurred upon consumption is gone within 15 minutes, assuming you drank a full 16 ounces at once.

    The second reason is also why the argument that drinking lots of water before a meal can make you feel full so you don't eat as much is weak. If you gulp down the water and the food within a matter of minutes, then sure, you feel horrendously bloated immediately after. But the filling effect of the water will dissipate quickly as it's absorbed, and you're back to where you would have been. Pure, long-term satiation comes from fats.

    All things said and done, chugging a glass of water before a meal can, at the least, be good for hydration and if made a into a habit, could help someone meet proper hydration guidelines who otherwise falls short. Say, 1/2 a 16 oz bottle before each meal, that's 24 oz of additional water per day. No harm, no foul.

    I just didn't want anyone else reading that woman's article and getting scared off water. I don't know what her educational background is, but it's not Chemistry.

    *All info cited came from www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem07. I translated to layman because the scientists love their complicated formulas, but you are welcome to read through them if math is your thing. ;)
  • Cindyinpg
    Cindyinpg Posts: 3,902 Member
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    How much of a calorie deficit are you on?

    I assume a 1000-calorie-a-day deficit. I have set up MFP for a 2-pound-per-week loss.

    I weigh 264 pounds and MFP has my daily goal at 1,640 calories. I go to the gym 3 times a week and lift for 30 minutes and ride the exercise bike for 30 minutes burning about 120 calories on the bike, according to the machine itself.

    My diary is open.

    Steve

    Not sure how tall you are, but your daily calories seems quite low - too low. Maybe that's why you are overly hungry all the time. You don't have to be that way.
    Yeah, I second that. You're netting about 1300 and all you're eating is meat, a bit of fruit and popcorn. Get that fiber up, raise your net a couple hundred calories and you'll be fuller. I eat more than you and I still lose weight, look at my diary, it's open, and like I said earlier, I don't get hungry, except before meals.
  • criscricket
    criscricket Posts: 72
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    I did the Jumpstart program and lost about 7 pounds and have been following the Skinny rules for about 5 weeks now. I have lost about 15 pounds total with both programs. One thing I noticed was at week 2 I stopped using any form of artificial sweetner and eliminated the cream in my coffee and wine with dinner and the pounds starting coming off easier.

    I do believe the combination of protein and lots of fiber (and eliminating the alcohol during the week) is helping me finally loose weight "without" being hungry or my blood sugar constantly dropping.

    I also do not eat a carb after lunch, but will add that back when I'm in maintenance.

    I like the program because it is very similar to the way I was eating. BONUS I have discovered Farro and many uses for Kale that I didn't know about, I am also eating a tremendous amount of veggies and fruit and my skin looks soooo good and I feel fantastic.

    I also like that I don't need write it all down. If I keep close to his principals, 4 oz protein, lots a veggies, 1 serving of healthy fat and one serving of carbs and I lose. Where in the past I was following 1300-1600 calorie diet and I was getting no where. I tried less, I tried more to compensate for exercise and I was stalling and not losing.

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