The Lean Physique And Why It’s Dangerous

http://itrainthereforeieat.com/2013/09/09/the-lean-physique-and-why-its-dangerous/

"I’ve noticed something lately. I’ve noticed a lot of commenters either applauding authors for having awesomely lean physiques and wondering how they too can get to 12% body fat. On the flip side, I’ve also noticed many many commenters blasting bloggers/fitness professionals for not being super lean or totally cut, because isn’t every fitness professional supposed to have a body like this?

[photo on actual blog site]

Gorgeous, yes. Realistic for most people? Nope.

The piece of this puzzle that really makes me want to scratch my eyeballs out is that there are so many people out there who believe that one must be incredibly lean, tan, and “cut” in order to really know what you’re talking about when it comes to fitness. And also that it’s healthy and sustainable for the general public to reach this level of leanness as well.

In reality, nothing could be further from the truth. First of all, and the most important point to understand, is that most* of the pictures that top fitness bloggers post on their blogs (and almost all fitspo photos on Pinterest as well) are professional photos, taken at a time when the person has carefully cut their diet specifically for the photo shoot and has also carefully manipulated water, hydration status, and lighting. These photos are not real life. Many of them are gorgeous, yes, but they are a snapshot of a highly manipulated moment, not of a sustainable lifestyle.

*I say most because of course there are those few people out there who are blessed with the genetics of the gods, and who can easily maintain an extremely lean physique without camera trickery and causing hormonal imbalances.

The second, and also extremely important point to understand is that maintaining a female body at 12% body fat, which is the low-healthy limit for women, is not healthy or remotely sustainable for an extended period of time if it’s not your natural state. Some women even push it below this level, to a 10 or 11% which is extremely dangerous to sustain for any female, no matter what your natural size (the fat surrounding your internal organs and breast tissue make up a certain amount of body fat, the former of which is necessary for life).

Yet despite this, I see nasty comments on blogs from women (and sometimes men) who say that the blogger looks “soft” or that they don’t know what they’re talking about because they’re not figure-competitor lean all the time. The people who make these comments are usually just nasty people looking to get a rise out of someone. But for another reader to see that comment and think that she has to have 12% body fat in order to be “fit” is truly dangerous. Possibly trying anything and everything to actually become that lean, she is setting herself up for a world of metabolic damage, hormonal imbalances, and other serious health problems.

Not only that, but when she fails to reach that 12% body fat, or fails to maintain it for any amount of time, she is then thrown back into the mental cycle of not being good enough, not being fit enough, and now she’s a failure on top of it all. This cycle will continue as she repeatedly fails to reach and maintain this mythical ultra-lean physique, all the while crushing her metabolism and endocrine system.

That doesn’t sound like healthy inspiration to me.

In fact, many figure competitors will very readily admit that dieting down to their competition weight has resulted in metabolic damage, which can sometimes take years to reverse, and can take a serious toll on ones health. Molly Galbraith, who is in my opinion one of the most inspirational women in the fitness industry, talks openly about the trouble that she went through after her own figure competition, and is very honest about the misery that accompanied her “lean” stage (read about this here). Let’s also note that I put lean in quotations because to me, she is perfectly lean in her “real” photos and in her photo-shoot photos.

So my question is this: In pursuit of the perfect physique, how much sacrifice is worth it? If you can get down to your “perfect” body composition, it will take hell and high water to keep you there. So what happens when you inevitably fall off of that lean-physique pedestal? You could very well end up in a never ending cycle of weight gain and eventually more restriction to get back to that “perfect” body type. Is this really the life that you want to lead?

For females, any body fat percentage within the teens is incredibly lean. For someone to be disappointed because they are 18% body fat is just absurd, because for most of us that is a number that is extremely difficult to attain, and takes considerable dedication to reach. Even figure competitors often walk around at 18-20% BF in the off season, and they still look very lean. It also goes without saying that women who compete at 12% will live their “normal” lives closer to 20%, because the former is just not healthy or sustainable. For a photo shoot or a moment on stage? Sure. For running around at your job, taking care of the kids and living a happy, healthy lifestyle? Not a chance.

This is where there is a huge disparity in the fitness industry. Pinterest is filled with fitspo images of ultra-lean physiques, those that were created for a moment in a photo shoot. But they lead us to believe that that is the ideal and attainable body for women, and that if you do “just this short 10 minute workout!”, you too can look that lean. As I’ve stated above, however, it is simply not in the cards for most women to ever look that way (or to get there in a healthy way). So women consistently “fail” when they do their prescribed workouts, eat like rabbits, and still don’t look like that gorgeous, bronzed, oiled, chiseled fitness model who is giving you bedroom eyes from behind a squat rack.

I mean, really. Who wears that to the gym? [referring to photos on actual blog site]

So what is the answer? I’m afraid I don’t know. I don’t necessarily think that bloggers and personal trainers should opt out of those fantastically lean photo shoots, but I do think that there needs to be some sort of understanding when it comes to these pictures. Fitness photos of almost-naked women with “inspirational” slogans are a different story however. Fitspo isn’t reality, and if you ask me, it isn’t even that inspirational either. People need to understand that those photos are not reality. They are momentary perfection, snap shots meant to be aesthetically pleasing to the average consumer. They portray an “ideal look” that is unattainable for most of us, yet we are told that that’s what fitness looks like. Is it out of the question to think that people could be inspired by someone who sits at 20% body fat? 25? Does being ultra lean equal being inspirational?

My point is that lean does not necessarily healthy, and beyond any aesthetic reasons, aren’t we all exercising and eating well to be more healthy? It does not seem worth having an ultra lean physique if you have to traumatize your body by getting there, and it does not seem fair that this is what we are bombarded with in the fitness world. Show me pictures of strength, health, dedication, and determination. Those are inspirational, and that is what fitness looks like.

Readers: Is this what fitness looks like to you? Do you believe that people are only truly fit if they are incredibly lean? Can you be inspired by a photo of someone who is not figure-competitor lean? Do you have any personal stories about metabolic damage due to cutting to an extremely low body fat percentage or low weight?"

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  • ElliottTN
    ElliottTN Posts: 1,614 Member
    http://itrainthereforeieat.com/2013/09/09/the-lean-physique-and-why-its-dangerous/

    "I’ve noticed something lately. I’ve noticed a lot of commenters either applauding authors for having awesomely lean physiques and wondering how they too can get to 12% body fat. On the flip side, I’ve also noticed many many commenters blasting bloggers/fitness professionals for not being super lean or totally cut, because isn’t every fitness professional supposed to have a body like this?

    [photo on actual blog site]

    Gorgeous, yes. Realistic for most people? Nope.

    The piece of this puzzle that really makes me want to scratch my eyeballs out is that there are so many people out there who believe that one must be incredibly lean, tan, and “cut” in order to really know what you’re talking about when it comes to fitness. And also that it’s healthy and sustainable for the general public to reach this level of leanness as well.

    In reality, nothing could be further from the truth. First of all, and the most important point to understand, is that most* of the pictures that top fitness bloggers post on their blogs (and almost all fitspo photos on Pinterest as well) are professional photos, taken at a time when the person has carefully cut their diet specifically for the photo shoot and has also carefully manipulated water, hydration status, and lighting. These photos are not real life. Many of them are gorgeous, yes, but they are a snapshot of a highly manipulated moment, not of a sustainable lifestyle.

    *I say most because of course there are those few people out there who are blessed with the genetics of the gods, and who can easily maintain an extremely lean physique without camera trickery and causing hormonal imbalances.

    The second, and also extremely important point to understand is that maintaining a female body at 12% body fat, which is the low-healthy limit for women, is not healthy or remotely sustainable for an extended period of time if it’s not your natural state. Some women even push it below this level, to a 10 or 11% which is extremely dangerous to sustain for any female, no matter what your natural size (the fat surrounding your internal organs and breast tissue make up a certain amount of body fat, the former of which is necessary for life).

    Yet despite this, I see nasty comments on blogs from women (and sometimes men) who say that the blogger looks “soft” or that they don’t know what they’re talking about because they’re not figure-competitor lean all the time. The people who make these comments are usually just nasty people looking to get a rise out of someone. But for another reader to see that comment and think that she has to have 12% body fat in order to be “fit” is truly dangerous. Possibly trying anything and everything to actually become that lean, she is setting herself up for a world of metabolic damage, hormonal imbalances, and other serious health problems.

    Not only that, but when she fails to reach that 12% body fat, or fails to maintain it for any amount of time, she is then thrown back into the mental cycle of not being good enough, not being fit enough, and now she’s a failure on top of it all. This cycle will continue as she repeatedly fails to reach and maintain this mythical ultra-lean physique, all the while crushing her metabolism and endocrine system.

    That doesn’t sound like healthy inspiration to me.

    In fact, many figure competitors will very readily admit that dieting down to their competition weight has resulted in metabolic damage, which can sometimes take years to reverse, and can take a serious toll on ones health. Molly Galbraith, who is in my opinion one of the most inspirational women in the fitness industry, talks openly about the trouble that she went through after her own figure competition, and is very honest about the misery that accompanied her “lean” stage (read about this here). Let’s also note that I put lean in quotations because to me, she is perfectly lean in her “real” photos and in her photo-shoot photos.

    So my question is this: In pursuit of the perfect physique, how much sacrifice is worth it? If you can get down to your “perfect” body composition, it will take hell and high water to keep you there. So what happens when you inevitably fall off of that lean-physique pedestal? You could very well end up in a never ending cycle of weight gain and eventually more restriction to get back to that “perfect” body type. Is this really the life that you want to lead?

    For females, any body fat percentage within the teens is incredibly lean. For someone to be disappointed because they are 18% body fat is just absurd, because for most of us that is a number that is extremely difficult to attain, and takes considerable dedication to reach. Even figure competitors often walk around at 18-20% BF in the off season, and they still look very lean. It also goes without saying that women who compete at 12% will live their “normal” lives closer to 20%, because the former is just not healthy or sustainable. For a photo shoot or a moment on stage? Sure. For running around at your job, taking care of the kids and living a happy, healthy lifestyle? Not a chance.

    This is where there is a huge disparity in the fitness industry. Pinterest is filled with fitspo images of ultra-lean physiques, those that were created for a moment in a photo shoot. But they lead us to believe that that is the ideal and attainable body for women, and that if you do “just this short 10 minute workout!”, you too can look that lean. As I’ve stated above, however, it is simply not in the cards for most women to ever look that way (or to get there in a healthy way). So women consistently “fail” when they do their prescribed workouts, eat like rabbits, and still don’t look like that gorgeous, bronzed, oiled, chiseled fitness model who is giving you bedroom eyes from behind a squat rack.

    I mean, really. Who wears that to the gym? [referring to photos on actual blog site]

    So what is the answer? I’m afraid I don’t know. I don’t necessarily think that bloggers and personal trainers should opt out of those fantastically lean photo shoots, but I do think that there needs to be some sort of understanding when it comes to these pictures. Fitness photos of almost-naked women with “inspirational” slogans are a different story however. Fitspo isn’t reality, and if you ask me, it isn’t even that inspirational either. People need to understand that those photos are not reality. They are momentary perfection, snap shots meant to be aesthetically pleasing to the average consumer. They portray an “ideal look” that is unattainable for most of us, yet we are told that that’s what fitness looks like. Is it out of the question to think that people could be inspired by someone who sits at 20% body fat? 25? Does being ultra lean equal being inspirational?

    My point is that lean does not necessarily healthy, and beyond any aesthetic reasons, aren’t we all exercising and eating well to be more healthy? It does not seem worth having an ultra lean physique if you have to traumatize your body by getting there, and it does not seem fair that this is what we are bombarded with in the fitness world. Show me pictures of strength, health, dedication, and determination. Those are inspirational, and that is what fitness looks like.

    Readers: Is this what fitness looks like to you? Do you believe that people are only truly fit if they are incredibly lean? Can you be inspired by a photo of someone who is not figure-competitor lean? Do you have any personal stories about metabolic damage due to cutting to an extremely low body fat percentage or low weight?"

    http://itrainthereforeieat.com/2013/09/09/the-lean-physique-and-why-its-dangerous/

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  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    There's certainly merit to the argument. Maintaining ultra low body fat percentage all the time is neither healthy nor really sustainable.

    But the flip side is that the audience for this blog is not people who are ultra lean. It seems to be making excuses for being pudgy.
  • Calliope610
    Calliope610 Posts: 3,783 Member
    That sounds a lot like, wait for it...., body shaming.
  • ItsCasey
    ItsCasey Posts: 4,021 Member
    This reminds me a lot of the criticisms of intermittent fasting. To me, it comes off as "I can't do this, so I'm going to bash it and question the motivation of those who can and do."

    People are allowed to have their own goals. There's no need to justify why your goal ISN'T to be 12% BF. If it's not what you want, great. But why do you freaking care if it's what someone else wants? And really, I don't know any woman who is truly interested in FITNESS (not just in being thin) who believes that the threshold for success is 12% OR that figure competitors maintain that level of leanness 100% of the time. That's just a really poor job of trying to sell a blog post.
  • TechOutside
    TechOutside Posts: 101 Member
    I think with the disposition of the population at large, the blog post was fitting. We see girls with body image problems day in and day out. The idea and daily visions of "beauty" and "fitness" is being distorted to heroin models and filled with unobtainium.

    There is no doubt that if someone cared to pay me to create my body into a Greek god, I could do it. But unfortunately that person hasn't come along, so travel, home, kids, bills, job and everything else is higher on the priority list than devoting 100% of my day becoming what the media want's me to think I should be. I continually see people who are dependent on someone else financially continually trying to tell me that I can devote three to four hours a day to my fitness. Yeah. Right after I get done with the lawn and fixing the water heater, I'll get right on that extensive food preparation right after I get done working 12 hours and have been on the road for two weeks. It is not possible unless I quit my job, my home, and my family, which is not going to happen.

    Health isn't what we are shown day in and day out, and it sends the wrong message to our kids who, if not strong enough, will fall prey to disorders.

    I was a Marine in my 20's and could run 10 miles without effort, and take my body to places and levels that most couldn't imagine. Did I look like a fitness model? No, but I was in the higher percentage of the population that we would consider fit and healthy.

    The media does everyone a disservice by creating the illusion of perfection.
  • TechOutside
    TechOutside Posts: 101 Member
    Furthermore, when I was lifting heavy, my arms were the size of someones legs, and yet they weren't big enough in my mind. When do men get big enough? When do women become thin enough? Perfect enough?

    Life gets in the way of perfection, I am being the best that I can be within the parameters of my capability and limited resources of time and money.
  • I think with the disposition of the population at large, the blog post was fitting. We see girls with body image problems day in and day out. The idea and daily visions of "beauty" and "fitness" is being distorted to heroin models and filled with unobtainium.

    There is no doubt that if someone cared to pay me to create my body into a Greek god, I could do it. But unfortunately that person hasn't come along, so travel, home, kids, bills, job and everything else is higher on the priority list than devoting 100% of my day becoming what the media want's me to think I should be. I continually see people who are dependent on someone else financially continually trying to tell me that I can devote three to four hours a day to my fitness. Yeah. Right after I get done with the lawn and fixing the water heater, I'll get right on that extensive food preparation right after I get done working 12 hours and have been on the road for two weeks. It is not possible unless I quit my job, my home, and my family, which is not going to happen.

    Health isn't what we are shown day in and day out, and it sends the wrong message to our kids who, if not strong enough, will fall prey to disorders.

    I was a Marine in my 20's and could run 10 miles without effort, and take my body to places and levels that most couldn't imagine. Did I look like a fitness model? No, but I was in the higher percentage of the population that we would consider fit and healthy.

    The media does everyone a disservice by creating the illusion of perfection.
    THANK YOU. I sometimes just want to go live out in the country where I'm not as bombarded by 'perfect' bodies telling me that I'm not good enough. I felt more at ease when in the mountains, surrounded by normal folks.

    Also, I'm in my 20's and envious of the marine training--wish I could run 10 without a second thought. :)
  • anemoneprose
    anemoneprose Posts: 1,805 Member
    I am very glad that lifting is as popular as it now is, and that's probably attributable to the fitspo described above. But I agree that it's another form of objectification, and that trying to stay perpetually at 15% is not sustainable or probably very healthy long-term for most women. Like, thigh fat is super resistant - why? It's hormonally important. After an ideological conversion, a lot of women make great progress in terms of upper body mass and go through cycle after frustrated cycle trying to get rid of the adipose tissue down below that's almost impossible to shed. And it leads to body image issues, because you've got the bottom looking 'fluffy', and the top bit achieved, and staying in the middle is frustrating. & that starts a hatred of the biological limits our bodies want to enforce, and it can't be good. The hardness of the ethos is as tantalizing as the body's -- it's about overcoming things (incl natural constraints), determination, mental toughness. Sloppy thighs might be a reminder of being passive and out of control.
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    I think with the disposition of the population at large, the blog post was fitting. We see girls with body image problems day in and day out. The idea and daily visions of "beauty" and "fitness" is being distorted to heroin models and filled with unobtainium.

    There is no doubt that if someone cared to pay me to create my body into a Greek god, I could do it. But unfortunately that person hasn't come along, so travel, home, kids, bills, job and everything else is higher on the priority list than devoting 100% of my day becoming what the media want's me to think I should be. I continually see people who are dependent on someone else financially continually trying to tell me that I can devote three to four hours a day to my fitness. Yeah. Right after I get done with the lawn and fixing the water heater, I'll get right on that extensive food preparation right after I get done working 12 hours and have been on the road for two weeks. It is not possible unless I quit my job, my home, and my family, which is not going to happen.

    Health isn't what we are shown day in and day out, and it sends the wrong message to our kids who, if not strong enough, will fall prey to disorders.

    I was a Marine in my 20's and could run 10 miles without effort, and take my body to places and levels that most couldn't imagine. Did I look like a fitness model? No, but I was in the higher percentage of the population that we would consider fit and healthy.

    The media does everyone a disservice by creating the illusion of perfection.

    There in lines the problem- all those things are excuse for why you wont' put in the work for a goal you say you don't care about. But instead of just saying - you don't care enough- you list five reasons why you can't do it.

    it's not THAT difficult. It doesnt eat up THAT much time- do work out and prepare food. I work 4 jobs- and it takes time from my day- sure no question. But it doesn't take up my whole life.

    Actually- scratch- none of the body builders I know do it 100% of the time. All of them have jobs- have families and have lives.

    While I ABSOLUTELY agree- you aren't in competition mode 100% of the time- you can't be... and it's ridiculous for ANYONE to think that they should/are... I disagree with the premis that it takes SO much work it's over whelming and it takes up hours and hours of your day. Once you get most of the way there- the working out is maintenance- the rest is ALL diet. And unless you are LITERALLY competing- you don't' need to go through the double day workouts and hours of steady state cardio.

    Hell I'm doing 2 a days right now and it's still not sucking up my whole life. I made eggs and bacon for dinner- and I'm going to go do some sewing. No big deal. I'll get up tomorrow and repeat the process.

    Here's the thing. If you want it- you want it- and you will find a way to make it happen.

    If you don't want it- you don't want it and you don't need to make excuses or justify WHY you don't' want to look like your an off season figure competitor or body builder.

    Seriously. it's not everyone's goal AND THAT'S fine- but don't say- it's to this or to that- you just don't want it at all- or you don't want it bad enough. Period.
  • TechOutside
    TechOutside Posts: 101 Member
    I think with the disposition of the population at large, the blog post was fitting. We see girls with body image problems day in and day out. The idea and daily visions of "beauty" and "fitness" is being distorted to heroin models and filled with unobtainium.

    There is no doubt that if someone cared to pay me to create my body into a Greek god, I could do it. But unfortunately that person hasn't come along, so travel, home, kids, bills, job and everything else is higher on the priority list than devoting 100% of my day becoming what the media want's me to think I should be. I continually see people who are dependent on someone else financially continually trying to tell me that I can devote three to four hours a day to my fitness. Yeah. Right after I get done with the lawn and fixing the water heater, I'll get right on that extensive food preparation right after I get done working 12 hours and have been on the road for two weeks. It is not possible unless I quit my job, my home, and my family, which is not going to happen.

    Health isn't what we are shown day in and day out, and it sends the wrong message to our kids who, if not strong enough, will fall prey to disorders.

    I was a Marine in my 20's and could run 10 miles without effort, and take my body to places and levels that most couldn't imagine. Did I look like a fitness model? No, but I was in the higher percentage of the population that we would consider fit and healthy.

    The media does everyone a disservice by creating the illusion of perfection.

    There in lines the problem- all those things are excuse for why you wont' put in the work for a goal you say you don't care about. But instead of just saying - you don't care enough- you list five reasons why you can't do it.

    it's not THAT difficult. It doesnt eat up THAT much time- do work out and prepare food. I work 4 jobs- and it takes time from my day- sure no question. But it doesn't take up my whole life.

    Actually- scratch- none of the body builders I know do it 100% of the time. All of them have jobs- have families and have lives.

    While I ABSOLUTELY agree- you aren't in competition mode 100% of the time- you can't be... and it's ridiculous for ANYONE to think that they should/are... I disagree with the premis that it takes SO much work it's over whelming and it takes up hours and hours of your day. Once you get most of the way there- the working out is maintenance- the rest is ALL diet. And unless you are LITERALLY competing- you don't' need to go through the double day workouts and hours of steady state cardio.

    Hell I'm doing 2 a days right now and it's still not sucking up my whole life. I made eggs and bacon for dinner- and I'm going to go do some sewing. No big deal. I'll get up tomorrow and repeat the process.

    Here's the thing. If you want it- you want it- and you will find a way to make it happen.

    If you don't want it- you don't want it and you don't need to make excuses or justify WHY you don't' want to look like your an off season figure competitor or body builder.

    Seriously. it's not everyone's goal AND THAT'S fine- but don't say- it's to this or to that- you just don't want it at all- or you don't want it bad enough. Period.

    I've been there, I know what it takes thanks. Please don't assume for me either, if you took my post and read it through you would see that my animosity is against the media and the perception of what we should all look like, not the people who choose to try to be what the media thinks you should be.

    Being healthy is different from being vain, you want to devote your every thought to your body image, have at it, just stop telling my daughter that she HAS to follow your lead.
  • JDBLY11
    JDBLY11 Posts: 577 Member
    I think with the disposition of the population at large, the blog post was fitting. We see girls with body image problems day in and day out. The idea and daily visions of "beauty" and "fitness" is being distorted to heroin models and filled with unobtainium.

    There is no doubt that if someone cared to pay me to create my body into a Greek god, I could do it. But unfortunately that person hasn't come along, so travel, home, kids, bills, job and everything else is higher on the priority list than devoting 100% of my day becoming what the media want's me to think I should be. I continually see people who are dependent on someone else financially continually trying to tell me that I can devote three to four hours a day to my fitness. Yeah. Right after I get done with the lawn and fixing the water heater, I'll get right on that extensive food preparation right after I get done working 12 hours and have been on the road for two weeks. It is not possible unless I quit my job, my home, and my family, which is not going to happen.

    Health isn't what we are shown day in and day out, and it sends the wrong message to our kids who, if not strong enough, will fall prey to disorders.

    I was a Marine in my 20's and could run 10 miles without effort, and take my body to places and levels that most couldn't imagine. Did I look like a fitness model? No, but I was in the higher percentage of the population that we would consider fit and healthy.

    The media does everyone a disservice by creating the illusion of perfection.

    There in lines the problem- all those things are excuse for why you wont' put in the work for a goal you say you don't care about. But instead of just saying - you don't care enough- you list five reasons why you can't do it.

    it's not THAT difficult. It doesnt eat up THAT much time- do work out and prepare food. I work 4 jobs- and it takes time from my day- sure no question. But it doesn't take up my whole life.

    Actually- scratch- none of the body builders I know do it 100% of the time. All of them have jobs- have families and have lives.

    While I ABSOLUTELY agree- you aren't in competition mode 100% of the time- you can't be... and it's ridiculous for ANYONE to think that they should/are... I disagree with the premis that it takes SO much work it's over whelming and it takes up hours and hours of your day. Once you get most of the way there- the working out is maintenance- the rest is ALL diet. And unless you are LITERALLY competing- you don't' need to go through the double day workouts and hours of steady state cardio.

    Hell I'm doing 2 a days right now and it's still not sucking up my whole life. I made eggs and bacon for dinner- and I'm going to go do some sewing. No big deal. I'll get up tomorrow and repeat the process.

    Here's the thing. If you want it- you want it- and you will find a way to make it happen.

    If you don't want it- you don't want it and you don't need to make excuses or justify WHY you don't' want to look like your an off season figure competitor or body builder.

    Seriously. it's not everyone's goal AND THAT'S fine- but don't say- it's to this or to that- you just don't want it at all- or you don't want it bad enough. Period.

    Um, I have read books by bodybuilders (Cory Everson, Rachel McLish, and others) and they do work out like 2-3 hours a day most days. That is not realistic for many people who have to clean, cook, go to college, work, activities, and everything else. I am not against lifting weights. I love it and plan on doing it more in the future, but it does require a lot of work and effort to become a world class bodybuilder. You can get a pretty good physique though just putting in maybe an hour lifting weights a few days a week and limiting calories.
  • xRiverX
    xRiverX Posts: 149 Member
    12% BF is goooood! Im gonna be this in 5 weeks or so,easily-is it retain-able hell yes just relax about it :)

    If you are anyone in general doesnt want this then dont do it simple lol its not for everyone
  • KathleenMurry
    KathleenMurry Posts: 448 Member
    Also.... we aren't all trying to get super lean for photos and bikini contests. I'm on mfp trying to get to my race weight and BF for running. It's absolutely worth it....when I win!
  • rowanwood
    rowanwood Posts: 509 Member
    I feel like both sides of the argument are missing the point.

    I personally think the point is, if you want to be X body fat and you are physically and genetically able to get there? Congrats. Enjoy. But assuming everyone wants or needs to get there or is lazy/fat/terrible? That's where the problem comes in.

    It's not an excuse that my kid and my family are more important to me than washboard abs. It's a matter of my priorities. I would rather make time for tea parties with teddy bears and movie time with my husband. That's my priority. Yours may vary and that's fine. I don't judge you for doing something else with your free time. It's this idea that I'm a lazy sack and I'm flawed and ugly because I'm not willing to work out 2-3 hours a day that people take issue with.

    Can't we all just get along and stop shaming all the bodies, fat, fit and in between?
  • Vailara
    Vailara Posts: 2,468 Member
    It's a good article. I don't think it's body shaming at all - just realistic. I think part of the point is that level of body fat, for the people who do it as models/competitors, is a temporary state of being. The competitors increase their body fat % when not competing, and the models are prepared and carefully lit and photographed to achieve a certain look. Yet the author is seeing comments expecting people to be at 12% all the time, something that even the people who do it for a living don't do.
  • ZombieSlayer
    ZombieSlayer Posts: 369 Member
    It's a good article. I don't think it's body shaming at all - just realistic. I think part of the point is that level of body fat, for the people who do it as models/competitors, is a temporary state of being. The competitors increase their body fat % when not competing, and the models are prepared and carefully lit and photographed to achieve a certain look. Yet the author is seeing comments expecting people to be at 12% all the time, something that even the people who do it for a living don't do.

    This is what I got from the article as well.
  • LorinaLynn
    LorinaLynn Posts: 13,247 Member
    I could, in theory, be ultra-lean and look like a fitness model... but what difference would it make in my life? What are the benefits? Would I really be any healthier? Would I never catch a common cold again?

    Some might call it excuses... I don't give a poop if they do. Being normal-fit and normal-lean is more satisfying to me. Being able to say "ABSOLUTELY!" when offered a piece of birthday cake is more enjoyable to me than sub-20% body fat. I like not micro-managing my meals. I like not being the stick-in-the-mud who can't have a few drinks because I need to be up early to hit the gym or run 20 miles.
  • etoiles_argentees
    etoiles_argentees Posts: 2,827 Member
    I could, in theory, be ultra-lean and look like a fitness model... but what difference would it make in my life? What are the benefits? Would I really be any healthier? Would I never catch a common cold again?

    Some might call it excuses... I don't give a poop if they do. Being normal-fit and normal-lean is more satisfying to me. Being able to say "ABSOLUTELY!" when offered a piece of birthday cake is more enjoyable to me than sub-20% body fat. I like not micro-managing my meals. I like not being the stick-in-the-mud who can't have a few drinks because I need to be up early to hit the gym or run 20 miles.

    I agree.
  • Bernadette60614
    Bernadette60614 Posts: 707 Member
    It goes beyond looks and body fat.

    When I was at my lowest bodyfat (14%) and trying to get pregnant, but OB/gyn told me that some of my issues with getting pregnant were compounded by having a lower body fat.

    My BMI now is 21.5 and I'm on a quest to get it down to 19. My doc has told me that while she supports fitness, that being too lean can cause issues down the road with bone density.
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    That sounds a lot like, wait for it...., body shaming.

    Agreed.

    Body fat percentage is a personal preference. Just because some can achieve a level of leanness that is unattainable for others, does not make that individual less inspiring. The author is implying that people who are not ultra-lean are just as likely to be knowledgable as those that are, and I agree. But it reads as if the author feels that the ultra-lean are somehow discredited for being ultra-lean. That I do not understand.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Really good article. I pretty much agree with all of it.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    That sounds a lot like, wait for it...., body shaming.

    Agreed.

    Body fat percentage is a personal preference. Just because some can achieve a level of leanness that is unattainable for others, does not make that individual less inspiring. The author is implying that people who are not ultra-lean are just as likely to be knowledgable as those that are, and I agree. But it reads as if the author feels that the ultra-lean are somehow discredited for being ultra-lean. That I do not understand.

    Oh, I didn't get that from it at all.
  • LavenderBouquet
    LavenderBouquet Posts: 736 Member
    I feel like both sides of the argument are missing the point.

    I personally think the point is, if you want to be X body fat and you are physically and genetically able to get there? Congrats. Enjoy. But assuming everyone wants or needs to get there or is lazy/fat/terrible? That's where the problem comes in.

    It's not an excuse that my kid and my family are more important to me than washboard abs. It's a matter of my priorities. I would rather make time for tea parties with teddy bears and movie time with my husband. That's my priority. Yours may vary and that's fine. I don't judge you for doing something else with your free time. It's this idea that I'm a lazy sack and I'm flawed and ugly because I'm not willing to work out 2-3 hours a day that people take issue with.

    Can't we all just get along and stop shaming all the bodies, fat, fit and in between?

    :flowerforyou:
  • I feel like both sides of the argument are missing the point.

    I personally think the point is, if you want to be X body fat and you are physically and genetically able to get there? Congrats. Enjoy. But assuming everyone wants or needs to get there or is lazy/fat/terrible? That's where the problem comes in.

    It's not an excuse that my kid and my family are more important to me than washboard abs. It's a matter of my priorities. I would rather make time for tea parties with teddy bears and movie time with my husband. That's my priority. Yours may vary and that's fine. I don't judge you for doing something else with your free time. It's this idea that I'm a lazy sack and I'm flawed and ugly because I'm not willing to work out 2-3 hours a day that people take issue with.

    Can't we all just get along and stop shaming all the bodies, fat, fit and in between?

    Agree!!
  • thesophierose
    thesophierose Posts: 754 Member
    Love that. <3
  • sobriquet84
    sobriquet84 Posts: 607 Member
    I feel like both sides of the argument are missing the point.

    I personally think the point is, if you want to be X body fat and you are physically and genetically able to get there? Congrats. Enjoy. But assuming everyone wants or needs to get there or is lazy/fat/terrible? That's where the problem comes in.

    It's not an excuse that my kid and my family are more important to me than washboard abs. It's a matter of my priorities. I would rather make time for tea parties with teddy bears and movie time with my husband. That's my priority. Yours may vary and that's fine. I don't judge you for doing something else with your free time. It's this idea that I'm a lazy sack and I'm flawed and ugly because I'm not willing to work out 2-3 hours a day that people take issue with.

    Can't we all just get along and stop shaming all the bodies, fat, fit and in between?

    <3

    also, your post reminded me of how annoying some people can be on facebook... i have some fb friends who are CONSTANTLY posting about their workouts and sharing memes that basically insinuate that anyone who's not putting in the work they are are undedicated or lazy. if not getting up at 4am every day and working out for 2 hours or not training for a marathon makes me undedicated and lazy by your standards, well then that's fine. you can go shove it.

    i don't feel inferior because i have different priorities in life.
  • SpecialSundae
    SpecialSundae Posts: 795 Member
    I don't honestly see any body shaming in that.

    Maintaining very low body fat is not possible or healthy for a lot of people. That's not to say that they're using it as an excuse to have unhealthy body fat levels, but that their healthy/fit level of body fat is not the same as a professional fitness model or bodybuilder.

    I'm aiming for 20% and that's quite low enough for me. It doesn't mean that I'm selling myself short or that I'm lazy but that I know what I want and how to achieve it whilst still living my life.
  • Kryssieness
    Kryssieness Posts: 3 Member
    I thought the article was helpful.

    I am newer to lifting and am trying to set realistic goals. It's good to know what is actually sustainable versus what I think I want. I was talking with someone and said that I was wanting to get to about 12%BF. They quirked a brow at me and tried to explain (in very poor terms) why this would be bad *FOR ME.*

    I read that article and said, "Hey! 10%BF would be bad for me! I have *CURVES* and I *LIKE* them!" Now, that doesn't mean I'm going to stop lifting and working out to maintain my curvy form. It just means I have shifted my perspective a bit from BF% to something, in my opinion, better: a tape measure.

    I weigh 160lbs. I'm hardly fat by anyone's definition, HOWEVER. I am not a size 2 and, therefore, am fat. The breakdown of how I got to that conclusion is a tragic tale and most people would say "just get over it!" ...and it's those people who I look at, smile to, and say STFU and go away.

    This article isn't about body shaming. It isn't about providing excuses. It's completely about informing people who may need help in defining realistic goals. Is it realistic for me to weigh 130lbs? Not anymore!! Not with the kinds of weight I'm moving and intending to move! Will I ever be a size 2? I don't know, to be honest. It doesn't seem likely if I'm able to get back into squatting, but you know what? I can *LOOK* like I'm a size 2.

    Hourglass shapes are fun... :)
  • jwdieter
    jwdieter Posts: 2,582 Member
    This is similar to people who don't lift claiming to not want to get jacked. It's fine to not want to be ultra-lean. I don't aim for 4-6%. Totally understandable for normal women to not want to go for 12%. But it's kind of a joke when people are double digits away and pointing at these articles as if they're particularly relevant.

    Most models and actresses (i.e. female image "role models" in the media) are not ultra-lean, similar to their male counterparts. And the physical drawbacks of exceptionally low body fat are worlds away from the average person trying to lose weight. Eating disorders based on trying to look photoshopped are a lot more of a concern imo.
  • LorinaLynn
    LorinaLynn Posts: 13,247 Member
    This is similar to people who don't lift claiming to not want to get jacked. It's fine to not want to be ultra-lean. I don't aim for 4-6%. Totally understandable for normal women to not want to go for 12%. But it's kind of a joke when people are double digits away and pointing at these articles as if they're particularly relevant.

    I didn't get that from the article at all. No one is saying "Don't exercise." No one was making excuses to not be at least moderately fit.

    Take this exchange, for instance...
    There is no doubt that if someone cared to pay me to create my body into a Greek god, I could do it. But unfortunately that person hasn't come along, so travel, home, kids, bills, job and everything else is higher on the priority list than devoting 100% of my day becoming what the media want's me to think I should be.

    There in lines the problem- all those things are excuse for why you wont' put in the work for a goal you say you don't care about. But instead of just saying - you don't care enough- you list five reasons why you can't do it.

    "Travel, home, kids, bills, job and everything else is higher on the priority list" is not the same as "I'm just going to sit on the couch all day." It's right there "HIGHER" on the priority list, not "exercise is not a priority at all." But to someone who makes it a higher priority, he "doesn't care."

    I'm not lazy because I don't want to be ripped. It's not something that's important to me. I still exercise, and push myself pretty hard. But washboard abs or brag-worthy lifts aren't on my agenda.

    I could say the same for someone else and say that you're lazy if you don't read as much as I do, don't paint as much as I do, if you don't do your own home repairs like I do. What kind of slacker are YOU if you hired a plumber?! Or you're a lesser person than me if you don't own rescue pets. If you buy instead of make your own Halloween costumes. See how ridiculous it sounds?