Have my 7 year old on a "diet"
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I already stated why we weigh him weekly. This is to make sure he isn't losing too much, too quickly. I don't count his calories. He eats breakfast, lunch at school, has a snack when he gets home from school and then has dinner. We just try to make healthier choices and portion control.0
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Doesnt even sound like a diet. Cutting junk =\= diet.0
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Hot damn, you're right.. you're sooooo scary!
what? why would I be scary? i dont get it?
my point was, if you thought my question to the OP was an attack, then you wont like a lot of things people say on the internet.
i was just asking a question, which the OP responded to without the drama you're trying to make.0 -
Well done you for doing what a lot of parents don't seem to want to do! Still discuss with the doctor and make sure that you're taking a measured approach. Don't want a future manorexic
No advice on helping a child to loose weight, but just thought I would put my 2c worth in on BMI. BMI is largley worthless unless you are compleatly averge. if your son play's a lot of sport and is more muscular becouse of that BMI is just about usless.
IMO BMI isn't entirely useless - although it's true that very muscular people won't necessarily be a healthy BMI you would have to do huge amounts of sport to get to that stage. BMI is a useful tool for doctors who can say you are overweight because your BMI is in the overweight range. It is a non-judgemental way of telling people they are fat without being insulting! In that respect, it is useful. I assume that because the OP has discussed this with her doctor, he has said this to her. It's also a useful guidline for people who do normal amounts of excercise to know roughly what weight they need to be. I wouldn't recommend going obsessive about it, but ignoring it is equally silly for the majority of the population.
I don't agree about the huge amount of sports. It depends on a ton of factors! I was born with much more muscle mass than my brother for example. You could tell from a very young age that I had more muscle mass than most kids. It has always been very easy for me to build muscle and create definition and when I was crazy into sports, I was obese according to the BMI scale even though I was a size 6-8 and ridiculously healthy! Even when I wasn't active and I was sick, I got down to what was on the high end of a "healthy BMI" and seriously I looked skeletal. You could count my ribs, you could see my hip bones, the doctor was like, you need to gain weight. When I am healthy, strong and happy, I am considered on the upper end of overweight but the doctor says I am perfectly healthy.
Though it can be helpful in some circumstances, that so many people/doctors use it as an end all be all really annoys me!!0 -
Then in my opinion you are doing fine. I don't think you are wrong for keeping track of his weight. Keeping track of his weight will show him that he does need to be aware and accountable when it comes to his body. Isn't that something we are supposed to teach our children?
He has snacks, just not the same kinds of snacks he had before. Now when he has snacks he has a piece of fruit, some veggies with hummus or some Greek yogurt, maybe even a cheese stick. He isn't constantly snacking on cheez-its or teddy grahams. That's what I was trying to say about the snacking but obviously didn't get my point across very well. He eats when he's hungry now, not just when he's bored.OK, I have to say this. There ARE bad foods. Ask any of my kids about high fructose corn syrup or monosodium glutamate. There is no reason not to teach your kids that there are bad foods. In fact you should. But I also have to say that a seven year old not being allowed snacks is kind of...different. My kids eat regular meals and 2-3 snacks a day. The average human being should eat 5-6 times a day. It keeps a body from overeating. Personally I would not talk to a doctor about it, I would find a good herbalist or homeopathic physician, or if I did talk to my regular doctor it would be to get a recommendation for a good natural nutritionist. A good nutritionist will be able to tell you whether or not your son's weight is normal for his size and what his intake levels should be for his age and height.0 -
If all you are doing is encouraging him to more regularly opt for "healthy" choices when it comes to snacking & reduce (not eliminate) the frequency of "unhealthy" snack choices, I wouldn't consider it a diet, you are simply trying to encourage him to eat well and enjoy a wider variety of foods & that is a really positive thing.
As a child there was always a full fruit bowl in my house & if I wanted a snack that was pretty much my only option. Every Saturday I remember always getting a chocolate eclair from the bakery as a treat which I very much enjoyed and every now and them my dad might randomly come home with some small treat but it was occasional and not expected. Treats were not banned and I would have plenty on birthdays/Christmas but special occasions aside, they were not for everyday consumption & to me that was & is totally normal. The same with fizzy drinks, I don't think I knew they existed until I was 10-11 and I will have the odd one now but cannot imagine wanting to drink them all the time, I genuinely prefer water.
Exposing your son to plenty of nutritious and healthy food options as a child whilst still allowing him his favourite things in moderation will help widen his palate & encourage him to eat in a balanced way both now and in the future so I would say you are doing a great thing by making this change
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As far as the weekly weigh-in, yes, I do want to keep track of what's going on because I don't want things to get out of hand and him lose too much, too quickly. My husband and I are both nurses so maybe that's part of why we are so particular on documenting and keeping track of things on a regular basis. My son is very proud of his progress as well and he's been getting a ton of compliments from people.
and what happens the week he doesnt lose weight... and doesnt get the attention for 'doing so well'?
Is there a need to "attack" her for trying to do right by her child? I feel like if she wasn't keeping track with how much she was losing you'd cry the opposite, how dare she not pay careful attention...
That was in no way an attack, but your comment(s) are certainly coming close to one (see: logical fallacy). It was a pretty legitimate question to ask. If OP wasn't willing to look into these sort of possibilities (ex: kid suddenly stops losing weight, doesn't get positive reinforcement, and possibly gets into disordered eating habits to achieve it), then there'd be a problem. OP responded and has experienced this, so it got answered.0 -
Well done you for doing what a lot of parents don't seem to want to do! Still discuss with the doctor and make sure that you're taking a measured approach. Don't want a future manorexicNo advice on helping a child to loose weight, but just thought I would put my 2c worth in on BMI. BMI is largley worthless unless you are compleatly averge. if your son play's a lot of sport and is more muscular becouse of that BMI is just about usless.
IMO BMI isn't entirely useless - although it's true that very muscular people won't necessarily be a healthy BMI you would have to do huge amounts of sport to get to that stage. BMI is a useful tool for doctors who can say you are overweight because your BMI is in the overweight range. It is a non-judgemental way of telling people they are fat without being insulting! In that respect, it is useful. I assume that because the OP has discussed this with her doctor, he has said this to her. It's also a useful guidline for people who do normal amounts of excercise to know roughly what weight they need to be. I wouldn't recommend going obsessive about it, but ignoring it is equally silly for the majority of the population.
Hate to burst your bubble, but BMI is a tool designed to measure populations, not individuals. It is frequently misapplied in this way by our society because it's the cheapest way of assessing ratios of height to weight, but its use in individuals is fundamentally flawed because it does not consider any of the many other variables that affect a 'healthy' weight and size for any individual. It may be used as a guideline of vague (very vague) use for comparison against others of similar height on an international scale, but for large swathes of the world's population it either over- or underestimates what their weight 'should' be for optimal health, because it cannot consider, among other things, build, body composition, ethnicity, local nutritional standards.
OP - my one caution would be to be aware that the chances are strong that your son will be influenced by what he sees his peers eating as well. Be careful that he doesn't feel that he is being deprived of all the 'fun' foods. I mention it because my mother insisted on only healthy snacks, and wouldn't buy the vast majority of the things my peers ate regularly that I coveted - anything processed, sweets, soda, crisps, cake etc - which meant that I felt left out and deprived of those experiences and pleasures, and developed strategies to get those things, and feel more like my peers. Those strategies included eating far more of them than was reasonable when they were available (at friends' houses/birthday parties/celebrations etc - binge-eating, basically), hiding and hoarding those foods when I could get my hands on them, which sometimes involved stealing small change from my parents' dresser - this was the 80s so 50cents went a lot further! - and finding substitutes out of the food that was available (lots of toast with heaps of butter, sugar and cinnamon, or handfuls of chocolate chips from baking supplies etc.). Essentially, Mum acted with the best possible intentions, but over-restricting basically set me up for a very disordered relationship with food - just something to be aware of.0 -
Yes, his doctor is a pediatrician and I work for him. The "goal" that I have for him is just one I have in my mind. Nothing I've mentioned to my son or anything that I have set in stone. Just a weight that I think would likely be a good healthy weight for him, give or take a few pounds. I'm sure his weight loss will slow down a good bit once he gets closer to what his body is naturally set to be comfortable at.
Overall it seems like a reasonable approach -- what you're doing doesn't really sound any different that what a lot of parents do from the get-go, in terms of trying to focus on healthy foods for meals and snacks, and to limit empty calories to occasional treats. A pound a week does seem awfully fast for a child, so unlike some of the posters, I don't think it's a bad thing that you're keeping an eye on it with a weekly weighing. Just one thing: there's nothing magical about some weight that "his body is naturally set to be comfortable at" that will defy the physics of losing weight if he's eating at a deficit. It sounds like you're trying hard to give him good messages about healthy eating, but it also sounds like he's getting some positive reinforcement for losing weight and that he's taking pride in that, and kids don't always take away exactly the message we think we're giving them. So it's possible he's restricting his intake too much, or might go on eating at a deficit after he reaches a healthy weight.
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As far as the weekly weigh-in, yes, I do want to keep track of what's going on because I don't want things to get out of hand and him lose too much, too quickly. My husband and I are both nurses so maybe that's part of why we are so particular on documenting and keeping track of things on a regular basis. My son is very proud of his progress as well and he's been getting a ton of compliments from people.
and what happens the week he doesnt lose weight... and doesnt get the attention for 'doing so well'?
Is there a need to "attack" her for trying to do right by her child? I feel like if she wasn't keeping track with how much she was losing you'd cry the opposite, how dare she not pay careful attention...
That was in no way an attack, but your comment(s) are certainly coming close to one (see: logical fallacy). It was a pretty legitimate question to ask. If OP wasn't willing to look into these sort of possibilities (ex: kid suddenly stops losing weight, doesn't get positive reinforcement, and possibly gets into disordered eating habits to achieve it), then there'd be a problem. OP responded and has experienced this, so it got answered.
Yes, it did get answered, it got answered the first time it was asked and there was no need to keep on asking.0 -
I do understand, and appreciate, what you're saying. Unfortunately, kids can be very cruel and there have been comments made to him about him being "fat" that have been very hurtful. I think those comments would do more to cause eating disorders/problems than his parents encouraging healthy choices and behaviors. As I mentioned, my husband and I are both nurses, so we've discussed long-term problems associated with eating unhealthy foods (not necessarily just being overweight) so our goal isn't physical appearance but a healthy body. I hope I'm making sense. I know that the situation we're in is my fault and not his. I made poor choices by allowing certain behaviors to become the norm. I'm doing my best to rectify the situation and set us all on the path to a healthier lifestyle.Yes, his doctor is a pediatrician and I work for him. The "goal" that I have for him is just one I have in my mind. Nothing I've mentioned to my son or anything that I have set in stone. Just a weight that I think would likely be a good healthy weight for him, give or take a few pounds. I'm sure his weight loss will slow down a good bit once he gets closer to what his body is naturally set to be comfortable at.
Overall it seems like a reasonable approach -- what you're doing doesn't really sound any different that what a lot of parents do from the get-go, in terms of trying to focus on healthy foods for meals and snacks, and to limit empty calories to occasional treats. A pound a week does seem awfully fast for a child, so unlike some of the posters, I don't think it's a bad thing that you're keeping an eye on it with a weekly weighing. Just one thing: there's nothing magical about some weight that "his body is naturally set to be comfortable at" that will defy the physics of losing weight if he's eating at a deficit. It sounds like you're trying hard to give him good messages about healthy eating, but it also sounds like he's getting some positive reinforcement for losing weight and that he's taking pride in that, and kids don't always take away exactly the message we think we're giving them. So it's possible he's restricting his intake too much, or might go on eating at a deficit after he reaches a healthy weight.
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If you choose to feed your child ONLY whole, healthy foods prepared at home you would NOT need to limit portions. Malnourishment stimulates over-eating. Address the malnourishment and over-eating stops.
I also hope that you are not adhering to the low fat craziness. Your child needs lots of healthy fats. Yes, saturated fats from ethically farmed animals, avocados, coconut, eggs, butter etc. Low fat is a FAIL, not just for children.0 -
He has eggs (often scrambled and cooked in a little bit of coconut oil) along bacon many days for breakfast. I don't believe in the low-fat craziness.If you choose to feed your child ONLY whole, healthy foods prepared at home you would NOT need to limit portions. Malnourishment stimulates over-eating. Address the malnourishment and over-eating stops.
I also hope that you are not adhering to the low fat craziness. Your child needs lots of healthy fats. Yes, saturated fats from ethically farmed animals, avocados, coconut, eggs, butter etc. Low fat is a FAIL, not just for children. I think a lot of the overeating had to do with the poor food choices we had available (Cinnamon Toast Crunch anyone?) I don't keep food from him, if he's hungry there are plenty of healthy options available to him. He just doesn't seem to "need" to snack as often as before. Perhaps it had something to do with the non-filling "foods" he was snacking on previously. 0 -
I would tell your mother that she needs to respect your parenting style and if she can't "keep him on track" when he is in her care, you will be forced to find someone else to watch him that will respect your parenting style.
I don't have children yet, but my mom is the same way with my nieces and nephews and now she no longer has unsupervised time with the kids. Everytime they would walk in the door, my mom would hand them a pack of fun fruits and she would keep the junk flowing until they left. Often times, once the kids would get home, they would complain of stomach aches or my nephew would be uncontrollably bouncing off the walls.
Sometimes, you have to do what is best for your kids, even if it means angering someone close to you. You wouldn't allow that from a daycare provider, so why would you allow it from your mom?!0 -
He has eggs (often scrambled and cooked in a little bit of coconut oil) along bacon many days for breakfast. I don't believe in the low-fat craziness.If you choose to feed your child ONLY whole, healthy foods prepared at home you would NOT need to limit portions. Malnourishment stimulates over-eating. Address the malnourishment and over-eating stops.
I also hope that you are not adhering to the low fat craziness. Your child needs lots of healthy fats. Yes, saturated fats from ethically farmed animals, avocados, coconut, eggs, butter etc. Low fat is a FAIL, not just for children. I think a lot of the overeating had to do with the poor food choices we had available (Cinnamon Toast Crunch anyone?) I don't keep food from him, if he's hungry there are plenty of healthy options available to him. He just doesn't seem to "need" to snack as often as before. Perhaps it had something to do with the non-filling "foods" he was snacking on previously.
I have to say, it seems like you've got a good handle on this, including the monitoring of his weight to make sure it doesn't get out of hand, and sending all the right messages. I hope you have as much success with all the issues you'll face in raising your son (what, you didn't think this was going to be your last challenge as a parent, did you? 0 -
Thank you! And I have to laugh because I know better, I also have a 13 year old daughter and 15 year old son so I'm well aware of this just being the tip of the iceberg! lol
He has eggs (often scrambled and cooked in a little bit of coconut oil) along bacon many days for breakfast. I don't believe in the low-fat craziness.If you choose to feed your child ONLY whole, healthy foods prepared at home you would NOT need to limit portions. Malnourishment stimulates over-eating. Address the malnourishment and over-eating stops.
I also hope that you are not adhering to the low fat craziness. Your child needs lots of healthy fats. Yes, saturated fats from ethically farmed animals, avocados, coconut, eggs, butter etc. Low fat is a FAIL, not just for children. I think a lot of the overeating had to do with the poor food choices we had available (Cinnamon Toast Crunch anyone?) I don't keep food from him, if he's hungry there are plenty of healthy options available to him. He just doesn't seem to "need" to snack as often as before. Perhaps it had something to do with the non-filling "foods" he was snacking on previously.
I have to say, it seems like you've got a good handle on this, including the monitoring of his weight to make sure it doesn't get out of hand, and sending all the right messages. I hope you have as much success with all the issues you'll face in raising your son (what, you didn't think this was going to be your last challenge as a parent, did you?0 -
I don't think you need to worry about him losing too much as long as he's allowed to eat good food in reasonable quantities. Most kids will just naturally land at a healthy weight, actually most adults will as well if they eat right. Kids go through phases where they can't seem to get enough to eat and appear to be getting a bit pudgy then suddenly grow a few inches and lean out again.
What you're doing sounds completely responsible to me. I'm sure when he's older he'll thank you for not dooming him to a life of obesity and yo yo dieting!0 -
I would tell your mother that she needs to respect your parenting style and if she can't "keep him on track" when he is in her care, you will be forced to find someone else to watch him that will respect your parenting style.
I don't have children yet, but my mom is the same way with my nieces and nephews and now she no longer has unsupervised time with the kids. Everytime they would walk in the door, my mom would hand them a pack of fun fruits and she would keep the junk flowing until they left. Often times, once the kids would get home, they would complain of stomach aches or my nephew would be uncontrollably bouncing off the walls.
Sometimes, you have to do what is best for your kids, even if it means angering someone close to you. You wouldn't allow that from a daycare provider, so why would you allow it from your mom?!
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He has eggs (often scrambled and cooked in a little bit of coconut oil) along bacon many days for breakfast. I don't believe in the low-fat craziness.If you choose to feed your child ONLY whole, healthy foods prepared at home you would NOT need to limit portions. Malnourishment stimulates over-eating. Address the malnourishment and over-eating stops.
I also hope that you are not adhering to the low fat craziness. Your child needs lots of healthy fats. Yes, saturated fats from ethically farmed animals, avocados, coconut, eggs, butter etc. Low fat is a FAIL, not just for children. I think a lot of the overeating had to do with the poor food choices we had available (Cinnamon Toast Crunch anyone?) I don't keep food from him, if he's hungry there are plenty of healthy options available to him. He just doesn't seem to "need" to snack as often as before. Perhaps it had something to do with the non-filling "foods" he was snacking on previously.
Yes, this! Exactly this! You are doing a great job! You are allowing him goodies from time to time which is not at all abnormal and won't turn him into someone with an eating disorder. I see that this thread has become personal to lots of people and has stirred up their own experiences that led to issues.
Both you and your husband are in he medical field so have more exposure and experiences with weight induced health related issues. And like myself; who gained 20 lbs but then "caught it" you are nipping this in the bud quickly.0 -
I also have a 7 yr old active son. He weighs 56lbs. You are doing the right thing. The only caution I have is that you may want to make it clear to him that you are weighing him so that you can make sure he isn't losing too fast and stop weighing him if you sense any annoyance from him at all. You can easily see how you are doing by his pant size. Thanks for being humble enough to put this post out. It's been helpful to me as well. Hoping for the best for you as you deal with this difficult issue.0
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