Toxins

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  • I_wanna_live
    I_wanna_live Posts: 227 Member
    http://www.today.com/health/do-trendy-cleanses-help-or-harm-body-6C10488683

    Five second google search...
  • LoraF83
    LoraF83 Posts: 15,694 Member

    What chemical compounds are building up in our internal organs that we need to cleanse? What is going on in there that our kidneys, liver, and digestive system can't handle?
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    In my case .. Iron. Iron that I can not cleanse is building up in my organs. If I'm not careful it will damage my liver and pancreas, and give me diabeetus.

    Alas, the only therapy is phlebotomy, as there's no cleanse that can help.

    So basically, too much iron and we're screwed but there's nothing we can do about it?

    Ok, good to know.

    But I think iron would be a difficult thing to overdose on. I struggle to keep my iron levels in my diet high enough to meet my needs.
  • prattiger65
    prattiger65 Posts: 1,657 Member
    http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/sgr/2010/consumer_booklet/chemicals_smoke/

    So how does a "cleanse" remove the chemicals from second-hand smoke from your body?

    What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

    25 mph. Now what does that have to do with toxins?

    About as much as dietary cleanses. OP asked for toxins to be concerned about that the body doesn't get rid of naturally, so I provided toxins. OP wants to talk about cleanses instead, so Monty Python.

    GAAAAAAAA, i hate it when i miss it. my bad.
  • brower47
    brower47 Posts: 16,356 Member
    I'm totally in for this.

    The only people who need to cleanse the "toxins" in their system are those that are either on extremely dangerous illegal substances, or extremely dangerous medication (people who need to take Lithium, for example). But most of the time those are in much higher doses, which is what causes the build up.

    So unless you are a bipolar person on cocaine, you probably don't need to do a detox.

    pffft those cleanses dont even work one still comes out dirty on the piss test


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    This wins the internet for the day!
  • LoraF83
    LoraF83 Posts: 15,694 Member
    http://www.today.com/health/do-trendy-cleanses-help-or-harm-body-6C10488683

    Five second google search...

    That does not list the "toxins" that need to be cleansed.
  • ldrosophila
    ldrosophila Posts: 7,512 Member
    What chemical compounds are building up in our internal organs that we need to cleanse? What is going on in there that our kidneys, liver, and digestive system can't handle?

    In my case .. Iron. Iron that I can not cleanse is building up in my organs. If I'm not careful it will damage my liver and pancreas, and give me diabeetus.

    Alas, the only therapy is phlebotomy, as there's no cleanse that can help.
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    Bet youre the poster child for blood donation
  • alyssajayds40
    alyssajayds40 Posts: 17 Member
    I don't think so many moliculs and things that make a toxin have names that I know of right off the top of my head of more like a type like biotoxins and enviormental toxins.

    Edited because I can't spell today.


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    I would simplify it for you but I don’t have the time for that much information exchange right now.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Juice cleanse. What is it about this phrase that it causes so many panties to immediately wad?
  • LoraF83
    LoraF83 Posts: 15,694 Member
    Juice cleanse. What is it about this phrase that it causes so many panties to immediately wad?

    Actually, it was 'toxins" that wadded my panties.
  • sullus
    sullus Posts: 2,839 Member
    What chemical compounds are building up in our internal organs that we need to cleanse? What is going on in there that our kidneys, liver, and digestive system can't handle?
    In my case .. Iron. Iron that I can not cleanse is building up in my organs. If I'm not careful it will damage my liver and pancreas, and give me diabeetus.

    Alas, the only therapy is phlebotomy, as there's no cleanse that can help.

    So basically, too much iron and we're screwed but there's nothing we can do about it?

    Ok, good to know.

    But I think iron would be a difficult thing to overdose on. I struggle to keep my iron levels in my diet high enough to meet my needs.
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    In my case, I have hemochromatosis. It's a genetic defect that makes me absorb up to 5x more iron from food than normal people. Most people can absorb 3-5% of the iron they eat. I can absorb upwards of 20%. Normal serum ferritin levels are 50-200 (If I remember correctly). Mine have been as high as 800. The problem is that the spare iron gets deposited mainly in the liver and pancreas, and too much can shut them down.

    The only therapy is to remove a pint of blood once a week, until the levels go down. Needless to say, I try to eat to avoid that.

    But once I'm there .. there's not a cleanse in the world that can help.
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    I don't think so many moliculs and things that make a toxin have names that I know of right off the top of my head of more like a type like biotoxins and enviormental toxins.

    Edited because I can't spell today.


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    I would simplify it for you but I don’t have the time for that much information exchange right now.

    No. Just name one. Specifically. One toxin that your body doesn't remove on its own. Just one.
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    I don't think so many moliculs and things that make a toxin have names that I know of right off the top of my head of more like a type like biotoxins and enviormental toxins.

    Edited because I can't spell today.


    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRB4jmaXNeAawDnIAvdujXZmVuC3Los0OdzzK5LCSCnOzJnUiAT

    I would simplify it for you but I don’t have the time for that much information exchange right now.

    Pretty please?? I really need to hear about the moliculs & biotoxins.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    I don't think so many moliculs and things that make a toxin have names that I know of right off the top of my head of more like a type like biotoxins and enviormental toxins.

    Edited because I can't spell today.


    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRB4jmaXNeAawDnIAvdujXZmVuC3Los0OdzzK5LCSCnOzJnUiAT

    I would simplify it for you but I don’t have the time for that much information exchange right now.

    Pretty please?? I really need to hear about the moliculs & biotoxins.
    What about the enviormental toxins?
  • LoraF83
    LoraF83 Posts: 15,694 Member
    I don't think so many moliculs and things that make a toxin have names that I know of right off the top of my head of more like a type like biotoxins and enviormental toxins.

    Edited because I can't spell today.


    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRB4jmaXNeAawDnIAvdujXZmVuC3Los0OdzzK5LCSCnOzJnUiAT

    I would simplify it for you but I don’t have the time for that much information exchange right now.

    No. Just name one. Specifically. One toxin that your body doesn't remove on its own. Just one.

    Yep, just the name of one and I will go google it and research it myself. I just need a name.
  • alyssajayds40
    alyssajayds40 Posts: 17 Member
    I don't think so many moliculs and things that make a toxin have names that I know of right off the top of my head of more like a type like biotoxins and enviormental toxins.

    Edited because I can't spell today.


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    I would simplify it for you but I don’t have the time for that much information exchange right now.


    This is a pretty good explaintion I just found no way I can explain anything like this and it make since without much time and thinking about it
    Pretty please?? I really need to hear about the moliculs & biotoxins.

    This is a pretty good explaintion I just found no way I can explain anything like this myself without much time remembering and thinking about it http://www.drs.illinois.edu/bss/factsheets/biotoxins.aspx

    Or maybe not it's more on how safety they try ot make it.. BOoo
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    I don't think so many moliculs and things that make a toxin have names that I know of right off the top of my head of more like a type like biotoxins and enviormental toxins.

    Edited because I can't spell today.


    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRB4jmaXNeAawDnIAvdujXZmVuC3Los0OdzzK5LCSCnOzJnUiAT

    I would simplify it for you but I don’t have the time for that much information exchange right now.

    Pretty please?? I really need to hear about the moliculs & biotoxins.
    What about the enviormental toxins?

    OK, sure, but I'm really curious about these... "Moliculs"
  • nomeejerome
    nomeejerome Posts: 2,616 Member
    nevermind.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    OK, sure, but I'm really curious about these... "Moliculs"

    Moliculs are bad, mmmkay?
  • LoraF83
    LoraF83 Posts: 15,694 Member
    I don't think so many moliculs and things that make a toxin have names that I know of right off the top of my head of more like a type like biotoxins and enviormental toxins.

    Edited because I can't spell today.


    [img]https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images? q=tbn:ANd9GcRB4jmaXNeAawDnIAvdujXZmVuC3Los0OdzzK5LCSCnOzJnUiAT[/img]

    I would simplify it for you but I don’t have the time for that much information exchange right now.


    This is a pretty good explaintion I just found no way I can explain anything like this and it make since without much time and thinking about it
    Pretty please?? I really need to hear about the moliculs & biotoxins.

    This is a pretty good explaintion I just found no way I can explain anything like this myself without much time remembering and thinking about it http://www.drs.illinois.edu/bss/factsheets/biotoxins.aspx

    Ok, that lists the names of biotoxins, but it does not suggest that we are ingesting those things on a regular basis. It was more of a how-to on handling them in a lab :huh:
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Juice cleanse. What is it about this phrase that it causes so many panties to immediately wad?

    Actually, it was 'toxins" that wadded my panties.

    But we take in toxins every day. Lots of them. The air, our water, our food, all have toxins.
  • I_wanna_live
    I_wanna_live Posts: 227 Member
    http://www.today.com/health/do-trendy-cleanses-help-or-harm-body-6C10488683

    Five second google search...

    That does not list the "toxins" that need to be cleansed.

    That is the problem with bro-science, you can talk like Ace Ventura and people will believe you.

    But, if you want... a longer search reveals

    http://kblog.lunchboxbunch.com/2009/09/what-are-toxins-in-my-body-detox-101.html
  • explosivedonut
    explosivedonut Posts: 419 Member
    I don't think so many moliculs and things that make a toxin have names that I know of right off the top of my head of more like a type like biotoxins and enviormental toxins.

    Edited because I can't spell today.


    [img]https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images? q=tbn:ANd9GcRB4jmaXNeAawDnIAvdujXZmVuC3Los0OdzzK5LCSCnOzJnUiAT[/img]

    I would simplify it for you but I don’t have the time for that much information exchange right now.


    This is a pretty good explaintion I just found no way I can explain anything like this and it make since without much time and thinking about it
    Pretty please?? I really need to hear about the moliculs & biotoxins.

    This is a pretty good explaintion I just found no way I can explain anything like this myself without much time remembering and thinking about it http://www.drs.illinois.edu/bss/factsheets/biotoxins.aspx

    I read the article. So, what foods have these, and how does a cleanse remove them? Studies that show cleanses remove these toxins from your system would be greatly appreciated.
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    This is a pretty good explaintion I just found no way I can explain anything like this myself without much time remembering and thinking about it http://www.drs.illinois.edu/bss/factsheets/biotoxins.aspx

    This are all created by external factors and not created by or in the body. Most of these are produced in a laboratory for specific reasons. The key word here is living. When we digest food it is no longer living. The acid in our stomach ensures that plant and fungal material we ingest is dead before being allowed to produce biotoxins.

    Try again.

    ETA: You may want to check the source first as well. It's from the Division of Research Safety. It really is about laboratories and proper disposal of biotoxins that are created in labs (not the body). They are handling things we would not eat due to being deadly.
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
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    Out.
  • Muddy_Yogi
    Muddy_Yogi Posts: 1,459 Member
    I don't think so many moliculs and things that make a toxin have names that I know of right off the top of my head of more like a type like biotoxins and enviormental toxins.

    Edited because I can't spell today.


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    after reading it .... I haz the dumb.
  • LoraF83
    LoraF83 Posts: 15,694 Member
    http://www.today.com/health/do-trendy-cleanses-help-or-harm-body-6C10488683

    Five second google search...

    That does not list the "toxins" that need to be cleansed.

    That is the problem with bro-science, you can talk like Ace Ventura and people will believe you.

    But, if you want... a longer search reveals

    http://kblog.lunchboxbunch.com/2009/09/what-are-toxins-in-my-body-detox-101.html

    That blog post stated basically that we should avoid food coloring and MSG. Ok, I can maybe buy into that. I get that the research is still out on some of those things and some have been proven to be harmful.

    But, how does a fruit/veggie cleanse remove them from our bodies? Are our internal organs incapable of handling them?
  • LoraF83
    LoraF83 Posts: 15,694 Member
    Juice cleanse. What is it about this phrase that it causes so many panties to immediately wad?

    Actually, it was 'toxins" that wadded my panties.

    But we take in toxins every day. Lots of them. The air, our water, our food, all have toxins.

    Ok. So, how does a fruit/veggie cleanse help me remove these toxins?
  • callie006
    callie006 Posts: 151 Member
    I don't think so many moliculs and things that make a toxin have names that I know of right off the top of my head of more like a type like biotoxins and enviormental toxins.

    Edited because I can't spell today.


    [img]https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images? q=tbn:ANd9GcRB4jmaXNeAawDnIAvdujXZmVuC3Los0OdzzK5LCSCnOzJnUiAT[/img]

    I would simplify it for you but I don’t have the time for that much information exchange right now.


    This is a pretty good explaintion I just found no way I can explain anything like this and it make since without much time and thinking about it
    Pretty please?? I really need to hear about the moliculs & biotoxins.

    This is a pretty good explaintion I just found no way I can explain anything like this myself without much time remembering and thinking about it http://www.drs.illinois.edu/bss/factsheets/biotoxins.aspx

    Ok, that lists the names of biotoxins, but it does not suggest that we are ingesting those things on a regular basis. It was more of a how-to on handling them in a lab :huh:
    As far as I can see, you're right. That link has little to nothing to do with any biotoxins you could flush out with juice. The ones are the list are controlled because they are deadly to humans and have weapons potential.

    I'm actually not sure, despite significant graduate work in comparative nutrition and a doctorate in veterinary medicine, which "toxins" exactly you could flush out with juice.
  • PlanetoftheAtheists
    PlanetoftheAtheists Posts: 112
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  • LoraF83
    LoraF83 Posts: 15,694 Member
    I don't think so many moliculs and things that make a toxin have names that I know of right off the top of my head of more like a type like biotoxins and enviormental toxins.

    Edited because I can't spell today.


    [img]https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images? q=tbn:ANd9GcRB4jmaXNeAawDnIAvdujXZmVuC3Los0OdzzK5LCSCnOzJnUiAT[/img]

    I would simplify it for you but I don’t have the time for that much information exchange right now.


    This is a pretty good explaintion I just found no way I can explain anything like this and it make since without much time and thinking about it
    Pretty please?? I really need to hear about the moliculs & biotoxins.

    This is a pretty good explaintion I just found no way I can explain anything like this myself without much time remembering and thinking about it http://www.drs.illinois.edu/bss/factsheets/biotoxins.aspx

    Ok, that lists the names of biotoxins, but it does not suggest that we are ingesting those things on a regular basis. It was more of a how-to on handling them in a lab :huh:
    As far as I can see, you're right. That link has little to nothing to do with any biotoxins you could flush out with juice. The ones are the list are controlled because they are deadly to humans and have weapons potential.

    I'm actually not sure, despite significant graduate work in comparative nutrition and a doctorate in veterinary medicine, which "toxins" exactly you could flush out with juice.

    Ok, what toxins can you flush out with a packaged cleanse that I could buy from an MLM or supplements store?

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