girls lifting heavy..?

I think for the OP the main things are lose the split, stop doing cardio x6 a week (TOTALLY unnecessary) and get on a good program that has mostly compound lifting.

And that author isnt as douchey as Medhi is (if ypu get his emails or follow him on FB, hes such a d!ck)

"douchey" - LOL

I personally think he's very unimpressive. All he did was take Rippetoe's program and change it up a bit. But I guess if it gets people lifting it's a good thing. <shrugs>

Both programs are effective. Personally at over 40 years old I have zero desire to work 'cleans' into my workout so I went with SL. Also Rippetoe and Mehdi formed both programs from Reg Park who is considered the originator of compound workout routines.

I think even Rippetoe got his version off someone... not sure who but 5x5 (or similar versions) have been around for a very long time. I am a big fan of Rippetoe and read his SS 3rd edition... In his book he talks about going to college and not knowing a damn thing about weight lifting and worked out out at the local school gymnasium. There he paired up with someone whom did a progressive overload routine similar to 5x5.

I believe (but not 100% sure) it's a spin off of Bill Starr's program, who was one of Rippetoe's mentors.

Just not a fan of Mendi, and I make no apologies for it. I realize he's worshipped on this forum so I probably shouldn't have said anything - LOL.

FWIW - I don't follow either program as I would find them tremendously boring. I do think they are good programs for beginners.

Just not a fan of Mendi, and I make no apologies for it. I realize he's worshipped on this forum so I probably shouldn't have said anything - LOL.

FWIW - I don't follow either program as I would find them tremendously boring. I do think they are good programs for beginners.

I definitely don't worship him, but I absolutely love the program. Like him or not, makes no difference to me.

I do agree however that all people should use one of the main compound lifting routines to start, or get back into lifting. I think they should follow it till the end of their progressions and THEN they will have formed the base on which they can choose how they want to progress as a lifter. My only wish was that didn't spend my first 3 months getting back into lifting on whole body workouts and splits without progression. I should have gotten into SL or SS right from the beginning. Live and learn

My only wish was that didn't spend my first 3 months getting back into lifting on whole body workouts and splits without progression. I should have gotten into SL or SS right from the beginning. Live and learn

Uh-huh. I hear ya.

I've heard its not that bad, but as someone who still after 9 weeks on SL still has form issues on occasion with heavy *kitten* weights, I can't even imagine doing cleans with good form when the weights start getting heavy

I think for the OP the main things are lose the split, stop doing cardio x6 a week (TOTALLY unnecessary) and get on a good program that has mostly compound lifting.

And that author isnt as douchey as Medhi is (if ypu get his emails or follow him on FB, hes such a d!ck)

"douchey" - LOL

I personally think he's very unimpressive. All he did was take Rippetoe's program and change it up a bit. But I guess if it gets people lifting it's a good thing. <shrugs>

Both programs are effective. Personally at over 40 years old I have zero desire to work 'cleans' into my workout so I went with SL. Also Rippetoe and Mehdi formed both programs from Reg Park who is considered the originator of compound workout routines.

I don't think anyone on this site particularly likes Rippetoe or Mehdi, their personalities are a little abrasive, but their programs are solid and their information is good/helpful.

A 5x5 program is a basic kind of programing, Mehdi didn't invent it, but he did make a good beginner program that uses it. The information available in a way that is simple and comprehensive... and free. No doubt he did a good job.

bump for later (lifting heavy at 5am here tues-sat)

I've heard its not that bad, but as someone who still after 9 weeks on SL still has form issues on occasion with heavy *kitten* weights, I can't even imagine doing cleans with good form when the weights start getting heavy

Do we expect the program to life the weights for you too? at some point you (generic you- not you specifically) need to own your work out and be responsible for it.

This means getting reviewed- and having form checked.

Lifting isn't JUST about walking in and picking crap up. You have to educate yourself a little and keep on it- check the form- and when it gets wonky- deload.

Ownership. Is it really that difficult of a concept?

uh...well...I.....hmmmm. :indifferent:

Oh I own my workouts. When I know my form sucks, as it will for everyone at some point in their progress, I either fix my form or if I cant fix it, I consider it a stall

I was just talking about what I consider a more difficult level of lift. I think power cleans are an intermediate lift as opposed to the simpler lifts. Hey if people want to do cleans in their routine, more power to 'em. Me....I'll pass.

Yeah...you definitely didn't deserve that response.....your point about form and cleans was spot on. Not sure where that came from. I totally took your comment as though you were taking "ownership". Meh, it takes all kinds here on MFP.