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Someone explain why we shouldn't eat legumes

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  • Posts: 212 Member
    I wish I knew where Mr. Paleo lived so I could stick some legumes up his man cave.
    :heart:
  • Posts: 10,321 Member
    :tongue:

    nice edit...
  • Posts: 6,129 Member

    nice edit...

    i decided that trying to craft a joke about semantics arguments on MFP was too much work... so enjoy the popcorn gif instead.
  • Posts: 7,512 Member
    I call them the integumentary system of a cow, an exoskeleton, and a shell. None of which are pods. I did use the word shell, but should have just stated pod I suppose, but pod has a specific meaning. A shell on a legume is a pod. A shell on a turtle is a shell.

    GASTROPODS!

    *runs off giggling
  • Posts: 10,321 Member
    I'm on a no gastropod diet. Yuck :)
  • Posts: 460 Member
    Did no one else note that the article that was offered up as information had wikipedia as a reference site?? That's right there makes me go "nope! No a valid form of reference!!"

    As for why they can't eat legume it beats the heck out of me
  • Posts: 17,299 Member
    Did no one else note that the article that was offered up as information had wikipedia as a reference site?? That's right there makes me go "nope! No a valid form of reference!!"

    As for why they can't eat legume it beats the heck out of me

    Wikipeida is a good resource, if you know how to use it. I hadn't heard of the Blue Zones but here is non-Wiki links, if you are interested.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/03/longevity-health-fitness-happiness/1677425/
    http://www.bluezones.com/

    Here are some other links to Veg / Med diets being healthy.
    http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/move-over-mediterranean-a-vegetarian-diet-is-equally-good-for-health-201306056352
    http://newsinhealth.nih.gov/issue/Jul2012/Feature1

    The statistics or these articles do not prove that these diets caused people to be healthier. My point in posting about the statistic was that this many healthy people eating legume heavy diets long term does prove that legumes are not unhealthy. They do not increase mortality or risk of disease.
  • Posts: 833 Member

    The very first line of that makes me rage:

    "Recently my boyfriend has been straying from his normal Paleo ways because he feels that grain-laden cookies are more important than his overall health and longevity"

    lol, no kidding. Maybe she can see the future, and has peered through an intricate string of events that connect cookies to his death. Like he will be run over while crossing the street to buy a cookie or something.
  • Posts: 1,861 Member

    Wikipeida is a good resource, if you know how to use it. I hadn't heard of the Blue Zones but here is non-Wiki links, if you are interested.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/03/longevity-health-fitness-happiness/1677425/
    http://www.bluezones.com/

    Here are some other links to Veg / Med diets being healthy.
    http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/move-over-mediterranean-a-vegetarian-diet-is-equally-good-for-health-201306056352
    http://newsinhealth.nih.gov/issue/Jul2012/Feature1

    The statistics or these articles do not prove that these diets caused people to be healthier. My point in posting about the statistic was that this many healthy people eating legume heavy diets long term does prove that legumes are not unhealthy. They do not increase mortality or risk of disease.

    I think she was referring to the blog article posted earlier in the thread about why you shouldn't eat legumes. The references for that article include some other blogs, the book that is basically the bible for paleos, wiki, and a vaguely related research abstract.

    Wiki is not a great source for proving a point, but useful as a reference aggregate.

    The question "what diet and lifestyle choices will help you live longer" researched by looking at people that as a population live abnormally long is a question that absolutely has been studied. "Blue Zone" are the keywords you need to find the information related to that question.

    Any longevity claims by any diet have to be evaluated against the backdrop of blue zones; IE actual evidence. To say that legumes are bad for your long term health, as paleos claim, it utter rubbish given their heavy presence in blue zone diets. Likewise longevity arguments put forth by people touting vegetarian, pescetarian, and mediterranian diets do in fact have a legit argument; while the magnitude of the importance is surely debatable (from virtually not at all to hugely important), that there is a link is not debatable at all, there is.
  • Posts: 10,161 Member

    Wikipeida is a good resource, if you know how to use it. I hadn't heard of the Blue ones but here is non-Wiki links, if you are interested.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/03/longevity-health-fitness-happiness/1677425/
    http://www.bluezones.com/

    Here are some other links to Veg / Med diets being healthy.
    http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/move-over-mediterranean-a-vegetarian-diet-is-equally-good-for-health-201306056352
    http://newsinhealth.nih.gov/issue/Jul2012/Feature1

    The statistics or these articles do not prove that these diets caused people to be healthier. My point in posting about the statistic was that this many healthy people eating legume heavy diets long term does prove that legumes are not unhealthy. They do not increase mortality or risk of disease.

    Wikipedia is a good resource, yes. But it is not a source itself.

    If you want to use Wikipedia to support a claim, and the discussion is anything other than extremely casual or inconsequential, follow the references in the Wikipedia article and cite them directly.
  • Posts: 41,865 Member
    I don't eat Paleo but I did watch a lecture about it on YouTube... it was by the author of The Paleo Manifesto.

    He said that we should not eat legumes because they are the seeds of the plant. Why not eat the seeds you ask? Because according to him and other paleo peeps, seeds of plants contain toxins to ward off animals from eating them. By eating these seeds with trace amounts of toxins overtime you build them up in your system.

    He gave some examples of seeds that humans have modified through agriculture and plant breeding or something, to make them not toxic to humans anymore. I think one example he gave was cucumber, if I remember correctly.

    And this one time at band camp....

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    I put this somewhere special...
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    Because it is trendy. You'd do yourself a bigger favor (and the planet) if you didn't eat meat/fish.
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    And this one time at band camp....

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    I put this somewhere special...

    I can't decide if I'm annoyed by you or find that incredibly humorous... either way, it's wolfman for the win.
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    Because it is trendy. You'd do yourself a bigger favor (and the planet) if you didn't eat meat/fish.

    Yay! Don't elimnate those foods arbitrarily, eliminate these foods arbitrarily!

    And around and around we go

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    I can't decide if I'm annoyed by you or find that incredibly humorous... either way, it's wolfman for the win.

    Most people find me annoying...but somewhat humorous...and oddly attractive in a get away from me...no get back here kinda way. It's hell on my wife....
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    Ok, so I can see the reasoning behind eliminating grains and dairy, but I don't understand why eating lentils and beans would lead to negative health consequences. Someone who has gone paleo, please explain. I am curious.
    I see no real reasoning behind elimiating grains or dairy unless you have a specific health issue.

    *shrug*
  • Exactly.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_diet

    This diet doesn't actually seemed to be "based" on anything other than the assumption that cavemen were healthier. You are 100% correct to be suspicious of not being "allowed" to eat legumes.
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    Most people find me annoying...but somewhat humorous...and oddly attractive in a get away from me...no get back here kinda way. It's hell on my wife....

    Don't forget your modesty

    ETA: grammar correction because I'm a dummy
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    Don't forgot your modesty


    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

    pipe down ryry....I'm totally modest and shy and stuff...
  • Thus a better statement would be… There has been insufficient time and evolutionally pressure for complete adaptation to seed consumption to arise

    I disagree about this. Have a read about evolution of the salivary amylase gene and you will see that evolutionary events allowing humans to adapt to certain diets are quite recent.
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    I disagree about this. Have a read about evolution of the salivary amylase gene and you will see that evolutionary events allowing humans to adapt to certain diets are quite recent.

    That's his whole point, that you can't say across the board that humans are not adapted. IMO, he is telling the paleo community to bring it down a notch. Clearly not everyone does well on grains (celiac disease) which obviously does not prove or disprove this anyway. Remember the paleo community believes this...

    "We evolved over millions of years without consuming the foods that became readily available only after the advent of agriculture. Hence, we’re not adapted to these foods."

    He then goes on to say, "But this assumes that a species isn’t adapted to a food because it’s never consumed it. And if you look at the evolutionary record, that’s incorrect."

    Hence the better statement, "There has been insufficient time and evolutionally pressure for COMPLETE adaptation to seed consumption to arise in homo-sapiens."

    Which honestly could be said about any food really... some people do well on (insert random food here) and some do not.
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