Flatmate problems - HELP?

mortuseon
mortuseon Posts: 579 Member
Just a bit of background information: I moved in with two other girls of my own age (that I didn't know at the time but met on a flatshare website), both students, for uni in September. We live together in a *small* flat in London. My room is right next to hers.

Tonight, one of my flatmates brought someone back with her (this was the second date). He was 10 years older than herself and here for 'drinks'...of course, he ended up staying over. This has happened before with another near-stranger (who was 44 and unknown to me) and they were...loud, but I didn't say anything because I was too embarrassed and my other flatmate was not there to back me up. Today, my other flatmate was here and I realised that a trend is developing, so she discreetly asked the offending flatmate if she would at least get rid of her cohabitor rather than having him stay over. She reluctantly agreed but...it just didn't happen.

I hope that I'm not coming across as prude (I would be fine with a long-term boyfriend staying over, which happens with my other flatmate), it's just the fact that the man is a total stranger and that he is so much older makes me really uncomfortable, especially when he's around until morning. It's not exactly responsible behaviour on her part either, but that's her business. However, I don't know how to address the issue - don't want this to happen yet again, but the last couple of times I addressed my flatmate over something much less significant, she 1) just walked out of the room when I was talking to her or 2) got incredibly upset.

How do I get her to stop?!?!?!
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  • wheird
    wheird Posts: 7,963 Member
    For the loud issue: Get earplugs.

    For her having guys over, there isn't much you can rightly do about it. Sorry.
  • mortuseon
    mortuseon Posts: 579 Member
    I'm a lot less fussed about the noise/her having guys over (I can turn music up) than I am about having strangers between the ages of 30 and 45 in my house all the time which I find quite uncomfortable (we're all 18). Do you think I'm being unreasonable?
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
    If you are that uncomfortable, than you could look at moving out.
  • dayone987
    dayone987 Posts: 645 Member
    I would make plans to move. It's unlikely that your flatmate is going to change this behaviour for your sake. If you didn't make ground rules before you all moved in, IMO it's too late now. And although I totally get why it makes you uncomfortable, it would be hard to say why one flatmate gets to have a male friend sleep over and the other doesn't.

    Your feeling are reasonable but asking her to change for you is not. It doesn't sound like you are losing a friendship over this so I would move and not have the drama.
  • Bucky83
    Bucky83 Posts: 1,194 Member
    I would actually recommend moving out if you're worried about your safety.

    What she does is her own business. As long as she knows the risks of what she's getting into, it's not your problem, technically.

    If she was a close friend of yours and you were worried for her own safety, that'd be different.
  • wheird
    wheird Posts: 7,963 Member
    I would make plans to move. It's unlikely that your flatmate is going to change this behaviour for your sake. If you didn't make ground rules before you all moved in, IMO it's too late now. And although I totally get why it makes you uncomfortable, it would be hard to say why one flatmate gets to have a male friend sleep over and the other doesn't.

    Your feeling are reasonable but asking her to change for you is not. It doesn't sound like you are losing a friendship over this so I would move and not have the drama.

    I agree. Both parties have valid stances, so the only reasonable course of action is to move out.
  • mortuseon
    mortuseon Posts: 579 Member
    Sadly the tenancy agreement has no breaker clause, so I'm stuck until June. Completely understand where you're coming from, though - I don't want to impose some draconic rules but if she'd just be a bit more considerate...even if the guys were our own age? Or if they weren't strangers?

    I do care about her as we've become quite close quite quickly by living together. I don't really thing having frequent one night stands with random older guys is good for her - but all my (or our, when you include the other flatmate) advice just seems to go ignored. She appears to pay attention and agree, but then does something completely opposite.
  • wheird
    wheird Posts: 7,963 Member
    Sadly the tenancy agreement has no breaker clause, so I'm stuck until June. Completely understand where you're coming from, though - I don't want to impose some draconic rules but if she'd just be a bit more considerate...even if the guys were our own age? Or if they weren't strangers?

    I do care about her - I don't really thing having frequent one night stands with random older guys is good for her - but all my (or our, when you include the other flatmate) advice just seems to go ignored. She appears to pay attention and agree, but then does something completely opposite.

    This would not make anything more safe for you.
  • MuscleAndMascara
    MuscleAndMascara Posts: 1,260 Member
    Bang some one and be louder ...
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    I had this exact situation (about 25 years ago). In the end, I decided that she wasn't going to change and that I had no right to ask her to change. I decided that *I* was uncomfortable with a string of random strangers sleeping one wall away (with all my valuables and belongings placed throughout the house). So I moved. I took the third roommate with me, and we made great roommates. Best of luck with whatever you decide.
  • mortuseon
    mortuseon Posts: 579 Member
    Sadly the tenancy agreement has no breaker clause, so I'm stuck until June. Completely understand where you're coming from, though - I don't want to impose some draconic rules but if she'd just be a bit more considerate...even if the guys were our own age? Or if they weren't strangers?

    I do care about her - I don't really thing having frequent one night stands with random older guys is good for her - but all my (or our, when you include the other flatmate) advice just seems to go ignored. She appears to pay attention and agree, but then does something completely opposite.

    This would not make anything more safe for you.

    True - sorry, was thinking more along the lines of 'not met through a dating app and brought back after one night together, but met through friends' which I think wouldn't be so bad.

    However, I understand what all of you are saying, and on reflection I suppose there is no 'fair' way of asking her not to bring people back (even when they are strangers old enough to be her father). Rather hoping that my other flatmate will say something in my stead, though. Thanks anyway :(
  • dayone987
    dayone987 Posts: 645 Member
    Sadly the tenancy agreement has no breaker clause, so I'm stuck until June. Completely understand where you're coming from, though - I don't want to impose some draconic rules but if she'd just be a bit more considerate...even if the guys were our own age? Or if they weren't strangers?

    I do care about her as we've become quite close quite quickly by living together. I don't really thing having frequent one night stands with random older guys is good for her - but all my (or our, when you include the other flatmate) advice just seems to go ignored. She appears to pay attention and agree, but then does something completely opposite.

    Honestly, I can't see her changing. Although I can see why you feel uncomfortable with men in their 30's and 40's in your home, I don't think that's a restriction you can impose. If you don't feel safe get a lock for your bedroom if you don't have one already.
  • BusyRaeNOTBusty
    BusyRaeNOTBusty Posts: 7,166 Member
    I agree that it's not your place to say anything. Everyone is an adult and sometimes adults want to have sex.
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
    Bringing strangers home and having them spend the night? I think you need to clarify that position with your roommates. A lot of people I know would feel uncomfortable in that situation. You are each responsible for the behavior of your guests and how can she ensure that when she doesn't know these men.

    However, be sure not to judge her choices. You are not comfortable with strangers staying over night. If anybody wants to have a guest stay , you need to clear it with your roommates. And this would be the same if your sister was sleeping over, etc.
  • jimmmer
    jimmmer Posts: 3,515 Member
    Just break up.
  • ironanimal
    ironanimal Posts: 5,922 Member
    Get a really ****ing big stereo.

    Put the bass speaker right against the wall to her room.

    Play music really, really loud whenever they start doing it.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    I think the way to approach it is that you're concerned about these random men possibly stealing from the apartment or something to that effect. Make it about safety not morality.
  • luckylindaxxx
    luckylindaxxx Posts: 2 Member
    I don't think you should downgrade your worries or think it is just you and apologise for how you feel because how you feel is right.

    What she is doing is unacceptable and a risk to you all, particularly to you when the third flat mate is not there. Her stranger could easily turn attentions to you.

    I was in this situation as a student and it was scary . Luckily a number of us were sharing and we were able to vent how we all felt. However, initially before we had time to work out what to do, we just left the flat while she had these strangers who felt really threatening.

    Talk to the third flatmate , find out how she feels about it. Find out where you stand from citizen's advice. Are you a studet and does uni have a letting agency or somewhere to get advice ?
  • Hellbent_Heidi
    Hellbent_Heidi Posts: 3,669 Member
    If your third flatmate has the same concerns, maybe the two of you can sit her down and tell her how uncomfortable their presence makes you, and that she needs to either a) go home with these guys instead of bringing them into your home, or b) she should consider moving out if she's going to insist on letting them stay over.

    I can understand the discomfort of a stranger in your home with that much of an age difference.... Good luck!
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    you say you wouldnt mind if they were guys your age, so it seems like its an issue you have with your friend sleeping with older men rather than anything else.
  • Myhaloslipped
    Myhaloslipped Posts: 4,317 Member
    I don't think the sex is her issue. It's the fact that random strangers are constantly in her house. The two of you should try talking to her together. I don't know the specifics of your lease agreement, but you probably can't stop her from engaging in these activities. That being said, I would also have a problem with strangers sleeping over on a regular basis.
  • MerinneW
    MerinneW Posts: 71 Member
    I think you should be honest with your flatmate - tell her how you feel! But accept the fact it is a problem for you, not for her - you obviously disapprove of her lifestyle choices (sleeping with older men on short acquaintance), and whilst it is perfectly reasonable for you not to live that way yourself, it is not at ALL your right to judge her for that - as long as everyone involved are consenting adults, there is really no problem with that.

    Things you can legitimately raise with her and ask her to refrain from:

    1) Bringing people home without giving you advanced warning (although be aware this rule, if accepted, will then also apply to you, up to and including having your mum round for tea - make sure this is important enough to you that you are willing to accept the inconvenience).
    2) Making excessive noise at unsociable hours (as above, this will also apply to you). Bear in mind this is a noise issue, not a sex issue - there is nothing inherently dirty or offensive about sex noises. Would you mind as much if she was playing the trumpet at the same volume at the same hours? If so, complain away, in the same style.

    Things you cannot reasonably ask her to stop doing:

    1) Having casual sex with men you don't know/approve of
    2) Preferring older men to boys her own age
    3) Having a sex life that you feel implies 'loose morals' or 'irresponsibility'; her sex life is her own affair, not yours.

    You are in a stronger position if your other housemate also has a problem with it - you can all get together for a house dinner and then broach it with her collectively - if she is a nice person, I'm sure she'll take on board what you say. And as a last resort, even if your tenancy doesn't have a break clause, you could look into the possibility of you finding someone else to take over your portion of the rent so you can move somewhere more suited to your mores.
  • mortuseon
    mortuseon Posts: 579 Member
    Thank you, everyone! An update on what happened: I spoke to my other flatmate about this, who was also quite perturbed. I hadn't made any plans to say anything as per what I posted last night, but when I met them both this morning, I received an apology from the girl who had someone over (other flatmate had obviously made a fuss about it when I wasn't there). I did make sure to tell her that my problem was more the fact they are older + strangers than the fact she has a sex life, as the latter doesn't really bother me a great deal. So now we're clear! I hope, at least.
    If it goes any further, I will probably follow some of the other suggestions e.g. always agreeing before having people over (myself and the other flatmate do this anyway as we're in long-distance relationships so we have time to plan ahead; hopefully it's not too much to ask for a couple of days of notice so I can at least make myself scarce). She's having someone over for dinner in the near future - I've been warned, yes! - so may update this thread if all goes tits up....

    (btw: when I say I'm more comfortable with guys our age coming over, it's mostly because if they are our own age, it's likely that they'll be met through friends so they're not quite as estranged. These men are met through a dating app which makes me a bit more uncertain of their intentions although I'm not sure if that's just me).
  • mortuseon
    mortuseon Posts: 579 Member
    (also: re her lifestyle choices, that really is her business. However, I do think she'd be happier trying to find a longer-term partner as she has complained previously about being in horrible situations with guys who mess her around, being a 'booty call', wanting a boyfriend, etc...however, she doesn't seem to take any of our advice to heart. Nonetheless, this is her issue to work out and I'm just glad that the older-strangers-in-the-house business has been sorted, at least for now. Thank you for your responses!)
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    (btw: when I say I'm more comfortable with guys our age coming over, it's mostly because if they are our own age, it's likely that they'll be met through friends so they're not quite as estranged. These men are met through a dating app which makes me a bit more uncertain of their intentions although I'm not sure if that's just me).

    I have dated much older men who I met in "old-fashioned" ways and I have a friend whose husband is 30 years older than she is.

    Plenty of men your age use dating apps, too, and have not good intentions. I don't think age is really the issue here. Young men can be as dangerous as older men and older men can be perfectly fine. The issue is her bringing strangers home, regardless of age.
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
    (also: re her lifestyle choices, that really is her business. However, I do think she'd be happier trying to find a longer-term partner as she has complained previously about being in horrible situations with guys who mess her around, being a 'booty call', wanting a boyfriend, etc...however, she doesn't seem to take any of our advice to heart. Nonetheless, this is her issue to work out and I'm just glad that the older-strangers-in-the-house business has been sorted, at least for now. Thank you for your responses!)

    We've all had friends who make a serious of dubious choices while openly stating that they want a situation that is not in line with their choices. That's something that you need to tune out.

    I'm glad you have the situation resolved. I was thinking - my husband wouldn't like it if I had a friend stay overnight unannounced, even if he knew the person. There are some common courtesies here.
  • So_Much_Fab
    So_Much_Fab Posts: 1,146 Member
    Personally, I would be creeped out by a 44 year old dude that's staying overnight with an 18 year old and her two 18 year old roommates. Even though age =/= danger factor, that's just weird.
  • MM_1982
    MM_1982 Posts: 374
    I'm assuming the app was Tinder?

    BRB downloading Tinder.
  • mortuseon
    mortuseon Posts: 579 Member
    I'm assuming the app was Tinder?

    BRB downloading Tinder.

    haha, yep!
  • MM_1982
    MM_1982 Posts: 374
    Something strangely erotic about woman in her late teens using Tinder to sleep with a guy in his mid 40's. Hot.