Ketogenic Diet??

I did it for a while. I did 70% fat, 20% protein and 10% carbs. I don't recall actually losing any weight that I didn't also lose in other manners. I only did keto for like 3 months, with a couple slips that made me start over. I felt irritable though b/c I missed my carbs - i.e. strawberries, watermelon, sweet potatoes, etc.

I think I lost 10 lbs or so while ketogenic and when I broke the ketosis, I ended up gaining some of it back (as expected), and when I went back to straight Paleo, I lost the same weight again, just as quickly.

I do believe it'll help you get more definition by removing residual fat if you're already at a good weight and when I get to that point, I'll probably do another short stint to tighten up the flabby areas (i.e. belly) when the time comes.

Be wary of high protein though - too much protein is converted to glucose through gluconeogenesis in the liver (check out Dr. Attia's blog at www.eatingacademy.com for more info on this). There are calculators out there that will help you determine how many calories to eat and what your macro breakdown should be to accommodate. And MFP has add-ins that you can use through IE9 and Google Chrome to help you see your overall daily percentages. The instructions for doing this are available out there in the Google world.

Also, look at info put out by Drs. Volek and Phinney. They have two (maybe more) books on Amazon focusing on ketosis - one is for athletes.

Good luck!

Don't forget, lyle (the writer of that book)

says there is no advantages of a keto diet hehe.

That is taking what he said totally out of context.

Coz their an idiot... I've never done Keto but I'm not ignorant enough to refute a type of diet that has worked at even at the top levels of bodybuilding

No need to be rude, lil fella.

I never said it didn't work. I guess at your age, your reading comprehension is still underdeveloped.

Well, in fairness how could there be. This is about bringing down body fat %. And there are many ways to achieve this. Keto is one. Its up to each individual to find a system that works for them. If you can do that, and you are satisfied with your method and results - sound!

Exactly right Littlebee. There is no one way to lose weight or lose bf. What works for one will not work for another. And that is the point that Lyle was making in the article referenced:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/ketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-have-no-metabolic-advantage-over-nonketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-research-review.html

It's finding what works for you. That's why I tried the cyclical keto diet. It was 4 weeks. At worst, it was 4 weeks. It couldn't do any harm and might do some good. I got medical clearance first. And I was monitoring everything, every step of the way. I was ready to pull the plug at any time. But I've seen positive results. Would everyone No. Can everyone do it? Lord no. Only a very few could, as I tell my MFP friends list following this experiment (which is what it is). But for me, my personality, my eating style, my workout style, and what I was looking to get out of it, it's worked. I know I'm a small subset of the populace. But that is what it is for.

no...terrible idea

why so?

Coz there an idiot... I've never done Keto but I'm not ignorant enough to refute a type of diet that has worked at even at the top levels of bodybuilding

The fact that this was edited to change your initial incorrect use of the word "their" to "there" made me LOL. The irony.

ETA: It's the other other one lol

Coz their an idiot... I've never done Keto but I'm not ignorant enough to refute a type of diet that has worked at even at the top levels of bodybuilding

No need to be rude, lil fella.

I never said it didn't work. I guess at your age, your reading comprehension is still underdeveloped.

Hey! I'm not that much older than him, but I have WAY better reading comprehension. Don't lump us all together

no...terrible idea

why so?

Coz there an idiot... I've never done Keto but I'm not ignorant enough to refute a type of diet that has worked at even at the top levels of bodybuilding

The fact that this was edited to change your initial incorrect use of the word "their" to "there" made me LOL. The irony.

ETA: It's the other other one lol

That was funny. I bet their/there/they're still trying to figure out what "you're" talking about.

When I started on this Ketogenic diet I was 160kg, with swollen ankles, high blood sugar and very nearly diabetic.

I am now 140, my blood sugars are normal, this lifestyle is SO EASY to stick to once you get through the first few days and I highly recommend google google google recipe's! There's heaps! And some of them are tastier than normal (I always felt mashed potato is boring, but mashed cauliflower is GREAT)

I stick to 30 carbs per day instead of 20, but that's to accommodate for my weight.

My Cholesterol has gone back to normal and even though I have a long way to go, it's not that I am concerned about, the truth is I feel great and my ankles look beautiful and normal again since about 3 days into the diet

There are many studies out there on the benefits of keto

Here are some of those studies

http://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/

But you could get the best of both worlds and carb cycle, one day high carb lower fat, one day higher fat lower carb.. etc...

Personally I don't see why people would remove carbs from their diet, just makes no sense to me.

Actually, that doesn't work and could cause a train wreck.

When you eat high fat, moderate protein and low fat, your body starts adapting to using fat as an energy source. Once you get into ketosis (which is the goal of the diet), you are burning body fat for energy during those times when energy input is not meeting energy output. Because your body cannot take ketones and make more fat, you lose body over time. Once you become fat adapted (keto adapted), your body realizes it doesn't need to store as much fat and you end up in a really good place.

If you were to cycle in and out too often, you never get into ketosis and lose most of the benefit. I do cycle, but do so only on the basis of my lifting cycles (e.g., cutting and bulking). Only, when I'm "bulking" I'm still fairly low on carbs, increase my protein and lower my fat. I come out of ketosis, but then have what I need for strength/mass building work.