For all women who are striving for "

Plus,.. real men like curves and real boobs. Not digitally enhanced ones.. :~)

I really wish women would stop speaking for us.

“Gentlemen, we are going to relentlessly chase perfection, knowing full well we will not catch it, because nothing is perfect. But we are going to relentlessly chase it, because in the process we will catch excellence. I am not remotely interested in just being good.” ~ Vince Lombardi

Plus,.. real men like curves and real boobs.

This is body shaming. It's just as demoralizing as people who cut down larger women. This nonsense has to stop.

Perfection. Please watch this video. Please eat and love yourself for who you are and what you look like. We are all beautiful and unique and we need to stop striving for something that isn't obtainable in real life.

http://www.upworthy.com/5-minutes-of-what-the-media-actually-does-to-women-8?c=ufb3

Plus,.. real men like curves and real boobs. Not digitally enhanced ones.. :~)

I know you meant this in a good way but the whole real men like curves and real boobs thing bothers me. One you shouldn't be basing what you want to look like because of what "real men" like. Two Not cool to just generalize men like that. And lastly what about the skinny chicks without any boobs are we not desirable?

Further, it is not just women being photo shopped skinny. Plus size models are also photo shopped. Basically anyone subject to professional print is photo shopped. A good deal of the time those "curves" aren't really real. If they are they are covered in cellulite that has been photo shopped away.

Then there is that whole gender thing. Women are only half the issue in ads but not a single person ever address that issue. This unrealistic image thing hits everyone regardless of gender. For men, we are all supposed to be 6'5 dark tanned model looking millionaires.

The thing is, BBW, you are still just a segment of the population. A growing segment, yes, but this is a problem that reaches everyone. You can't do this without the rest of us. Stop pretending this is only your problem and you are the only ones being targeted here. You may actually get something to change at that point. Step out of your women studies classroom and stop being discriminatory and we will help you out.

Perfection. Please watch this video. Please eat and love yourself for who you are and what you look like. We are all beautiful and unique and we need to stop striving for something that isn't obtainable in real life.

http://www.upworthy.com/5-minutes-of-what-the-media-actually-does-to-women-8?c=ufb3

Plus,.. real men like curves and real boobs. Not digitally enhanced ones.. :~)

I know you meant this in a good way but the whole real men like curves and real boobs thing bothers me. One you shouldn't be basing what you want to look like because of what "real men" like. Two Not cool to just generalize men like that. And lastly what about the skinny chicks without any boobs are we not desirable?

Further, it is not just women being photo shopped skinny. Plus size models are also photo shopped. Basically anyone subject to professional print is photo shopped. A good deal of the time those "curves" aren't really real. If they are they are covered in cellulite that has been photo shopped away.

Then there is that whole gender thing. Women are only half the issue in ads but not a single person ever address that issue. This unrealistic image thing hits everyone regardless of gender. For men, we are all supposed to be 6'5 dark tanned model looking millionaires.

The thing is, BBW, you are still just a segment of the population. A growing segment, yes, but this is a problem that reaches everyone. You can't do this without the rest of us. Stop pretending this is only your problem and you are the only ones being targeted here. You may actually get something to change at that point. Step out of your women studies classroom and stop being discriminatory and we will help you out.

Please. What a load of hogwash.

(1) Objectification and body-shaming is DISPROPORTIONATELY directed at females.

(2) Absolutely no one is arguing that men are exempt from it.

(3) BOTH are a direct result of patriarchy. Women did NOT create that "he-man" ideal. MEN did.

Now he was created for me to drool at



wait...What were we talking about?

Perfection. Please watch this video. Please eat and love yourself for who you are and what you look like. We are all beautiful and unique and we need to stop striving for something that isn't obtainable in real life.

http://www.upworthy.com/5-minutes-of-what-the-media-actually-does-to-women-8?c=ufb3

Plus,.. real men like curves and real boobs. Not digitally enhanced ones.. :~)

I know you meant this in a good way but the whole real men like curves and real boobs thing bothers me. One you shouldn't be basing what you want to look like because of what "real men" like. Two Not cool to just generalize men like that. And lastly what about the skinny chicks without any boobs are we not desirable?

Further, it is not just women being photo shopped skinny. Plus size models are also photo shopped. Basically anyone subject to professional print is photo shopped. A good deal of the time those "curves" aren't really real. If they are they are covered in cellulite that has been photo shopped away.

Then there is that whole gender thing. Women are only half the issue in ads but not a single person ever address that issue. This unrealistic image thing hits everyone regardless of gender. For men, we are all supposed to be 6'5 dark tanned model looking millionaires.

The thing is, BBW, you are still just a segment of the population. A growing segment, yes, but this is a problem that reaches everyone. You can't do this without the rest of us. Stop pretending this is only your problem and you are the only ones being targeted here. You may actually get something to change at that point. Step out of your women studies classroom and stop being discriminatory and we will help you out.

Please. What a load of hogwash.

(1) Objectification and body-shaming is DISPROPORTIONATELY directed at females.

(2) Absolutely no one is arguing that men are exempt from it.

(3) BOTH are a direct result of patriarchy. Women did NOT create that "he-man" ideal. MEN did.

All true, generally we only see complaints about male objectification as an argument to devalue cancerns regarding female objectification. Not to say it doesn't happen to both genders but both the level of objectification and the level of its consequences on the cultural pressure of women to live up to the ideal are disproportionate.
That being said, I don't think the term 'real women' or 'real men' is helpful to either gender or the issue at all, everyone is real, and no one should be devalued for not living up to any expectation, men and women.

Well..here I am now trying to bring it up a a valid point that is happens to us as well and yiu need to include us in this movement and two separate women are basically telling me my concern is hogwash and not as valid because of my gender.

This is exactly the reason you will never win this fight. You attitude is such that only the biggest victim matters so stop *****ing.

Perfection. Please watch this video. Please eat and love yourself for who you are and what you look like. We are all beautiful and unique and we need to stop striving for something that isn't obtainable in real life.

http://www.upworthy.com/5-minutes-of-what-the-media-actually-does-to-women-8?c=ufb3

Plus,.. real men like curves and real boobs. Not digitally enhanced ones.. :~)

I know you meant this in a good way but the whole real men like curves and real boobs thing bothers me. One you shouldn't be basing what you want to look like because of what "real men" like. Two Not cool to just generalize men like that. And lastly what about the skinny chicks without any boobs are we not desirable?

Further, it is not just women being photo shopped skinny. Plus size models are also photo shopped. Basically anyone subject to professional print is photo shopped. A good deal of the time those "curves" aren't really real. If they are they are covered in cellulite that has been photo shopped away.

Then there is that whole gender thing. Women are only half the issue in ads but not a single person ever address that issue. This unrealistic image thing hits everyone regardless of gender. For men, we are all supposed to be 6'5 dark tanned model looking millionaires.

The thing is, BBW, you are still just a segment of the population. A growing segment, yes, but this is a problem that reaches everyone. You can't do this without the rest of us. Stop pretending this is only your problem and you are the only ones being targeted here. You may actually get something to change at that point. Step out of your women studies classroom and stop being discriminatory and we will help you out.

Please. What a load of hogwash.

(1) Objectification and body-shaming is DISPROPORTIONATELY directed at females.

(2) Absolutely no one is arguing that men are exempt from it.

(3) BOTH are a direct result of patriarchy. Women did NOT create that "he-man" ideal. MEN did.

All true, generally we only see complaints about male objectification as an argument to devalue cancerns regarding female objectification. Not to say it doesn't happen to both genders but both the level of objectification and the level of its consequences on the cultural pressure of women to live up to the ideal are disproportionate.
That being said, I don't think the term 'real women' or 'real men' is helpful to either gender or the issue at all, everyone is real, and no one should be devalued for not living up to any expectation, men and women.

Well..here I am now trying to bring it up a a valid point that is happens to us as well and yiu need to include us in this movement and two separate women are basically telling me my concern is hogwash and not as valid because of my gender.

I am a man... Your point about extending this concern to men is well-noted. Your suggestion that both genders are equally affected by body-shaming and objectification is hogwash.

This is exactly the reason you will never win this fight. You attitude is such that only the biggest victim matters so stop *****ing.

I think this speaks for itself.

Perfection. Please watch this video. Please eat and love yourself for who you are and what you look like. We are all beautiful and unique and we need to stop striving for something that isn't obtainable in real life.

http://www.upworthy.com/5-minutes-of-what-the-media-actually-does-to-women-8?c=ufb3

Plus,.. real men like curves and real boobs. Not digitally enhanced ones.. :~)

I know you meant this in a good way but the whole real men like curves and real boobs thing bothers me. One you shouldn't be basing what you want to look like because of what "real men" like. Two Not cool to just generalize men like that. And lastly what about the skinny chicks without any boobs are we not desirable?

Further, it is not just women being photo shopped skinny. Plus size models are also photo shopped. Basically anyone subject to professional print is photo shopped. A good deal of the time those "curves" aren't really real. If they are they are covered in cellulite that has been photo shopped away.

Then there is that whole gender thing. Women are only half the issue in ads but not a single person ever address that issue. This unrealistic image thing hits everyone regardless of gender. For men, we are all supposed to be 6'5 dark tanned model looking millionaires.

The thing is, BBW, you are still just a segment of the population. A growing segment, yes, but this is a problem that reaches everyone. You can't do this without the rest of us. Stop pretending this is only your problem and you are the only ones being targeted here. You may actually get something to change at that point. Step out of your women studies classroom and stop being discriminatory and we will help you out.

Please. What a load of hogwash.

(1) Objectification and body-shaming is DISPROPORTIONATELY directed at females.

(2) Absolutely no one is arguing that men are exempt from it.

(3) BOTH are a direct result of patriarchy. Women did NOT create that "he-man" ideal. MEN did.

All true, generally we only see complaints about male objectification as an argument to devalue cancerns regarding female objectification. Not to say it doesn't happen to both genders but both the level of objectification and the level of its consequences on the cultural pressure of women to live up to the ideal are disproportionate.
That being said, I don't think the term 'real women' or 'real men' is helpful to either gender or the issue at all, everyone is real, and no one should be devalued for not living up to any expectation, men and women.

Well..here I am now trying to bring it up a a valid point that is happens to us as well and yiu need to include us in this movement and two separate women are basically telling me my concern is hogwash and not as valid because of my gender.

This is exactly the reason you will never win this fight. You attitude is such that only the biggest victim matters so stop *****ing.

The attitude that you displayed is that the victimization of men is equivalent to women, in cultural consequence it is very different, and when you tell women to step out of women's studies classrooms to 'win' that invites further hostility and pits it as us vs. them, which you continue to underscore in your recent comment. No one is saying your concern is hogwash, we both agreed that objectionable of men does in fact happen, but there will be no change in any of this until there is a greater cultural understanding on everyone's part, which doesn't have to come from a classroom, it comes from observing the world and media. Acknowledging that things are not equal does not mean that your point is invalid, but the fact that it only surfaces as a point as a negative response other concerns, it is not productive. If you are interested in the issue, lets have a discussion without the asterisks.

There is actually an increase in men and boys presenting at eating disorder clinics (at least here in Aus). I would say there is just as much objectification of men as women and I would agree that men dont have the 'right' to bring it up. Men have to have 'big shoulders' and 'man up' about these things

My husband is a slender man, he weighs only 50kg and is ghostly pale like me. He is VERY self conscious, probably more so then his obese wife because I have parts of the media and my gf's telling me I'm a beautiful person and how good i look ect. Men don't have that privilege, men will pick on each other mercilessly in the guise of a joke. My husband wont take his t-shirt off at the beach because he is so self conscious of his body.

I think I get what the men here are trying to say. We can't JUST look at women's issues we have to look at SOCIETIES issues. and society has a messed up image of who we should be. I should be petite and my husband should be bulky. Neither of us fit this stereotype but I believe I have more support to change myself then my husband does. and yes these issues come froma history of patriarchy but that patriarchy is damaging men as much as women.

I found it interesting that in the photo of Kiera Knightley, she had no boobs, but in the photoshopped version, she had added boobs. There's so much "Love your curves" and "Curves are sexy" talk going around that now even her straight figure isn't appreciated.

The attitude that you displayed is that the victimization of men is equivalent to women, in cultural consequence it is very different, and when you tell women to step out of women's studies classrooms to 'win' that invites further hostility and pits it as us vs. them, which you continue to underscore in your recent comment.

No one is saying your concern is hogwash,

we both agreed that objectionable of men does in fact happen, but there will be no change in any of this until there is a greater cultural understanding on everyone's part, which doesn't have to come from a classroom, it comes from observing the world and media. Acknowledging that things are not equal does not mean that your point is invalid, but the fact that it only surfaces as a point as a negative response other concerns, it is not productive. If you are interested in the issue, lets have a discussion without the asterisks.

Here, I pulled that piece out for you. Yes. the exact word they used about my concern was actually..."hogwash"

The point never really was that things are "equal" so much, the point is that every time the subject is brought up and things like men are introduced into the equation, the inevitable conclusion is that...well.....you are not the main victim...its not really targeted so much to you... women have it so much worse. My point is that it doesn't really matter which one is more wrong if they are both wrong.

If you want o make slideshows highlighting this, do not make them gender specific. Do not make them skinny specific. When it is happening to everyone, there is no target audience. Until you decide to include all segments of the population that are being subjected to this then you are just going to spin your wheels.

Plus,.. real men like curves and real boobs. Not digitally enhanced ones.. :~)

Real men like whatever the hell they like. How about you do what makes you happy and don't worry if a man is going to like you or find you attractive. It was very liberating for me when I stopped caring if men liked my muscles or not.

The attitude that you displayed is that the victimization of men is equivalent to women, in cultural consequence it is very different, and when you tell women to step out of women's studies classrooms to 'win' that invites further hostility and pits it as us vs. them, which you continue to underscore in your recent comment.

No one is saying your concern is hogwash,

we both agreed that objectionable of men does in fact happen, but there will be no change in any of this until there is a greater cultural understanding on everyone's part, which doesn't have to come from a classroom, it comes from observing the world and media. Acknowledging that things are not equal does not mean that your point is invalid, but the fact that it only surfaces as a point as a negative response other concerns, it is not productive. If you are interested in the issue, lets have a discussion without the asterisks.

Here, I pulled that piece out for you. Yes. the exact word they used about my concern was actually..."hogwash"

The point never really was that things are "equal" so much, the point is that every time the subject is brought up and things like men are introduced into the equation, the inevitable conclusion is that...well.....you are not the main victim...its not really targeted so much to you... women have it so much worse. My point is that it doesn't really matter which one is more wrong if they are both wrong.

If you want o make slideshows highlighting this, do not make them gender specific. Do not make them skinny specific. When it is happening to everyone, there is no target audience. Until you decide to include all segments of the population that are being subjected to this then you are just going to spin your wheels.

One should not take away from the other IMO.

I will say however that one of the reasons that male issues are not more in the lime-light is that they don't speak up.

I had this male friend...he was emotionally and physically abuse by his wife for years...he never spoke up. Some of us that he had confided in finally convinced him to seek help. There is help out there for men such as in this case but even that help is kept will hidden.

I know that men have this "societal image" that they feel they have to live up to but before it will change...they have to put aside ego and speak up.

The attitude that you displayed is that the victimization of men is equivalent to women, in cultural consequence it is very different, and when you tell women to step out of women's studies classrooms to 'win' that invites further hostility and pits it as us vs. them, which you continue to underscore in your recent comment.

No one is saying your concern is hogwash,

we both agreed that objectionable of men does in fact happen, but there will be no change in any of this until there is a greater cultural understanding on everyone's part, which doesn't have to come from a classroom, it comes from observing the world and media. Acknowledging that things are not equal does not mean that your point is invalid, but the fact that it only surfaces as a point as a negative response other concerns, it is not productive. If you are interested in the issue, lets have a discussion without the asterisks.

Here, I pulled that piece out for you. Yes. the exact word they used about my concern was actually..."hogwash"

The point never really was that things are "equal" so much, the point is that every time the subject is brought up and things like men are introduced into the equation, the inevitable conclusion is that...well.....you are not the main victim...its not really targeted so much to you... women have it so much worse. My point is that it doesn't really matter which one is more wrong if they are both wrong.

If you want o make slideshows highlighting this, do not make them gender specific. Do not make them skinny specific. When it is happening to everyone, there is no target audience. Until you decide to include all segments of the population that are being subjected to this then you are just going to spin your wheels.

You are right, I glossed over the hogwash line to the statements below it. I am sorry.

I think this is an issue that affects both genders, but since the genders are treated differently within it I think that needs to be part of the discussion. Not to leave anyone out, but to discuss the situation and a solution with a view on how the reality of the objectification plays out. Not to be the bigger victim and dismiss others concerns, but the inequality and underlying messages, as well as the consequences that these messages have and those who are using the messages to sell... it all needs to be taken into account if we are to have a discussion. The issue I took with your response wasn't that I disagree with men being affected by this issue, but that bringing up men's being affected in such a way as to seem to be detracting from a womans concern for the issue, makes it come across as your problem is with women being concerned about it, not the men being affected. Women who have been having this discussion for years are well used to this tactic by people who are seeking to derail the conversation. Your response seemed like that, so I assumed that, because I honestly have never heard anyone bring that up as anything but an argument to devalue the conversation, except of course those who are already in the discussion. I work for a non profit that is involved in this kind of advocacy, I am well used to the types of conversations that go on surrounding it. Coming at it as an argument, rather than a supporter, as it seemed to me that you did, is not productive. If that helps inform you of why I responded as I did.