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Paleo Newbie!

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  • VegesaurusRex
    VegesaurusRex Posts: 1,018
    Did you read the part about the "new research is well done and COMPELLING." Speculation that more studies are needed are both correct and normal with a new breakthrough piece of research like this.
  • Mother_Superior
    Mother_Superior Posts: 1,624 Member
    I thought anyone doing something like Paleo ought to know about the L-carnatine study in Nature. It shows that there is a substance in red meat that alters the product of your gut bacteria and causes it to produce a toxic substance. It is not extremely toxic but over time it causes colon cancer and heart disease, L-Carnatine is in ALL red meat. The only way to avoid it is to avoid red meat. I think if the people who were considering Paleo all know about this, they might think twice.

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    Quick! Somebody get the last few thousand generations of humanity on the phone and tell them they might die from toxins created by eating red meat! Someone! Hurry, or none of us will ever be born!

    ETA: And for those who would say that this rambling insanity is a terrible misrepresentation of the post to which it refers, I call it fighting fire with fire. Equally crazy, but lots of fun. *nods* true story

    I hate this sort of whiny sarcasm. The final paragraph is barely understandable.

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  • lrmall01
    lrmall01 Posts: 377 Member
    http://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-overall-diets

    Ranked last out of 32 diets.

    Not trying to make anyone feel bad or embarrass anybody, but this research and commentary is very interesting.

    http://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-overall-diets?page=4

    Just a couple of responses to the USNews article if anyone is interested.

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-does-the-paleo-diet-continue-to-receive-low-points-from-established-authorities/#axzz2qmO5X3uX

    http://robbwolf.com/2014/01/10/news-ranks-paleo-diet-2014-deja-vu-again/
  • AriDublyu
    AriDublyu Posts: 34
    It worked for me! Nearly 35 pounds lost on a mostly paleo diet. Add me if you wish (anyone).
  • delicious_cocktail
    delicious_cocktail Posts: 5,797 Member
    Did you read the part about the "new research is well done and COMPELLING." Speculation that more studies are needed are both correct and normal with a new breakthrough piece of research like this.

    Yes, I read that part.

    I assumed that because you posted the link and referred to the study, you could correctly cogitate the information. Since that is not the case, I am going to step away. I'm not going to waste my time trying to help you understand your own reference.
  • Mother_Superior
    Mother_Superior Posts: 1,624 Member
    Did you read the part about the "new research is well done and COMPELLING." Speculation that more studies are needed are both correct and normal with a new breakthrough piece of research like this.

    Yes, I read that part.

    I assumed that because you posted the link and referred to the study, you could correctly cogitate the information. Since that is not the case, I am going to step away. I'm not going to waste my time trying to help you understand your own reference.

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  • VegesaurusRex
    VegesaurusRex Posts: 1,018
    These people are true Paleo believers, so of course they are not going to like the study. According to their methodology USNWR simply collected responses from people who said they had been on the diet. The vast majority who have tried Paleo and responded to the survey stated that the diet was ineffective, and they didn't like it and didn't stay on it. Of course Paleo hasn't been around long enough to see how many of the long term followers develop chronic diseases early in life as would be predicted by the L-Carnatine study I referred to above.

    Honestly, I don't believe they will have enough long term survivors of that diet to actually do a long term study.
  • VegesaurusRex
    VegesaurusRex Posts: 1,018
    Did you read the part about the "new research is well done and COMPELLING." Speculation that more studies are needed are both correct and normal with a new breakthrough piece of research like this.

    Yes, I read that part.

    I assumed that because you posted the link and referred to the study, you could correctly cogitate the information. Since that is not the case, I am going to step away. I'm not going to waste my time trying to help you understand your own reference.

    Okay, I guess you don't read much scientific literature.
  • delicious_cocktail
    delicious_cocktail Posts: 5,797 Member
    http://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-overall-diets

    Ranked last out of 32 diets.

    Not trying to make anyone feel bad or embarrass anybody, but this research and commentary is very interesting.

    http://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-overall-diets?page=4

    Just a couple of responses to the USNews article if anyone is interested.

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-does-the-paleo-diet-continue-to-receive-low-points-from-established-authorities/#axzz2qmO5X3uX

    http://robbwolf.com/2014/01/10/news-ranks-paleo-diet-2014-deja-vu-again/

    Mark's Daily Apple and Robb Wolf.
    Sound legit.

    I'll just pop over to . . . oh

    "Mark's Daily Apple: Primal Living In The Modern World"
    There's an official store. He sells books. He gives seminars . . . okay.

    Then nevermind, I'll just check out the second link, I'm sure . . . oh
    "Robb Wolf: Revolutionary Solutions To Modern Life"
    Oh. He has a store too, selling Paleo e-books. Okay.

    . . . right.
  • VegesaurusRex
    VegesaurusRex Posts: 1,018
    http://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-overall-diets

    Ranked last out of 32 diets.

    Not trying to make anyone feel bad or embarrass anybody, but this research and commentary is very interesting.

    http://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-overall-diets?page=4

    Just a couple of responses to the USNews article if anyone is interested.

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-does-the-paleo-diet-continue-to-receive-low-points-from-established-authorities/#axzz2qmO5X3uX

    http://robbwolf.com/2014/01/10/news-ranks-paleo-diet-2014-deja-vu-again/

    Mark's Daily Apple and Robb Wolf.
    Sound legit.

    I'll just pop over to . . . oh

    "Mark's Daily Apple: Primal Living In The Modern World"
    There's an official store. He sells books. He gives seminars . . . okay.

    Then nevermind, I'll just check out the second link, I'm sure . . . oh
    "Robb Wolf: Revolutionary Solutions To Modern Life"
    Oh. He has a store too, selling Paleo e-books. Okay.

    . . . right.

    Yes, Delicious. Points well taken,
  • delicious_cocktail
    delicious_cocktail Posts: 5,797 Member
    Edited to cut the ad hominem needlessness.

    You're convinced of something and I'm not sure what it is. I encourage anyone who is afraid of their gut bacteria creating toxins when they eat red meat to go read the article you linked as well as the studies and metastudies linked in it.
  • Mother_Superior
    Mother_Superior Posts: 1,624 Member
    http://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-overall-diets

    Ranked last out of 32 diets.

    Not trying to make anyone feel bad or embarrass anybody, but this research and commentary is very interesting.

    http://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-overall-diets?page=4

    Just a couple of responses to the USNews article if anyone is interested.

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-does-the-paleo-diet-continue-to-receive-low-points-from-established-authorities/#axzz2qmO5X3uX

    http://robbwolf.com/2014/01/10/news-ranks-paleo-diet-2014-deja-vu-again/

    Mark's Daily Apple and Robb Wolf.
    Sound legit.

    I'll just pop over to . . . oh

    "Mark's Daily Apple: Primal Living In The Modern World"
    There's an official store. He sells books. He gives seminars . . . okay.

    Then nevermind, I'll just check out the second link, I'm sure . . . oh
    "Robb Wolf: Revolutionary Solutions To Modern Life"
    Oh. He has a store too, selling Paleo e-books. Okay.

    . . . right.

    THIS! Paleo/Primal, vegetarian, vegan, omnivorous...all are sustainable, and can be highly enjoyable ways of meeting the body's nutritional needs. They each have varying degrees of difficulty in doing so, but each are perfectly reasonable. The point at which discussions like this always break down is when people start throwing blog posts and inconclusive studies out as evidence in support of their preferred way of eating.
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    Here we go again. OP: there are several paleo groups if you'd like to discuss your journey with likeminded folks. The main boards are kinda funny with their: you have to want to eat all foods approach sometimes.

    I'm not paleo/primal, but get why some folks would choose it over the SAD.

    Certainly you're not trying to characterize my statement that way, are you?
    Nope. In fact, I didn't read your post.
  • grandmothercharlie
    grandmothercharlie Posts: 1,356 Member
    I like myfitnesspal, but this is why I hate most forums. What anyone does is their own business. What harm is it to any of the rest of the group? This poster was just looking for like-minded people. She wasn't there to criticize anyone or change anyone. So why do you care what she and her husband do? What gives so many people such superior, holier-than-thou attitudes? I don't do paleo, but I don't care if others do. This is my first and last post. Think I'd rather do it alone than look to some of you for help and friendship.
  • VegesaurusRex
    VegesaurusRex Posts: 1,018
    Edited to cut the ad hominem needlessness.

    You're convinced of something and I'm not sure what it is. I encourage anyone who is afraid of their gut bacteria creating toxins when they eat red meat to go read the article you linked as well as the studies and metastudies linked in it.

    I agree. Unfortunately the article itself is in Nature, and although I have read it, I cannot post it for copyright reasons, and if you want to get it, you have to go to a medical library. Nature charges to download the article. So unless you are willing to spend the money, the best you can do is look at other articles like this, which gives you some idea of what is going on. I think the study is quite strong. I think the reception in the article I posted is cautious but nonetheless accurate when it actually talks about the article. Since this is the first study of its kind, OF COURSE more studies are needed. However, as the reviewer states, the study is COMPELLING.
  • delicious_cocktail
    delicious_cocktail Posts: 5,797 Member
    Here we go again. OP: there are several paleo groups if you'd like to discuss your journey with likeminded folks. The main boards are kinda funny with their: you have to want to eat all foods approach sometimes.

    I'm not paleo/primal, but get why some folks would choose it over the SAD.

    Certainly you're not trying to characterize my statement that way, are you?
    Nope. In fact, I didn't read your post.

    Oh. I just figured you would be responding to a phenomenon that was actually occurring in the thread rather than just casually tossing out an unsubstantiated, false statement.
  • delicious_cocktail
    delicious_cocktail Posts: 5,797 Member
    Edited to cut the ad hominem needlessness.

    You're convinced of something and I'm not sure what it is. I encourage anyone who is afraid of their gut bacteria creating toxins when they eat red meat to go read the article you linked as well as the studies and metastudies linked in it.

    I agree. Unfortunately the article itself is in Nature, and although I have read it, I cannot post it for copyright reasons, and if you want to get it, you have to go to a medical library. Nature charges to download the article. So unless you are willing to spend the money, the best you can do is look at other articles like this, which gives you some idea of what is going on. I think the study is quite strong. I think the reception in the article I posted is cautious but nonetheless accurate when it actually talks about the article. Since this is the first study of its kind, OF COURSE more studies are needed. However, as the reviewer states, the study is COMPELLING.

    Still not sure what the point is, but the conclusion that consumption of red meat produces toxins in the body that cause colon cancer and heart disease, and that the only way to avoid these maladies is to avoid red meat is far from supported by their paper, which is here:

    http://www.dcscience.net/Koeth-carnitine-Nature-Med-2013.pdf

    Compelling is good and further research is good but conclusions are not.
  • maroongiraffe
    maroongiraffe Posts: 2 Member
    Thank you. I didn't realise that people cared so much what I decided to eat. I am not trying to revolutionise the dieting world here. Just trying to make changes in my life.

    Eat what you will people and let me do the same!

    If you trawl google for long enough, you will find 'evidence' to support any standpoint.

    I hope you enjoyed your little debate and I have added a few friends.

    We all win!

    :)
  • delicious_cocktail
    delicious_cocktail Posts: 5,797 Member
    Thank you. I didn't realise that people cared so much what I decided to eat. I am not trying to revolutionise the dieting world here. Just trying to make changes in my life.

    Eat what you will people and let me do the same!

    If you trawl google for long enough, you will find 'evidence' to support any standpoint.

    I hope you enjoyed your little debate and I have added a few friends.

    We all win!

    :)

    I think your attitude is great! :flowerforyou: You have to do what works for you.

    It's not just your diet of course but there are other people here who read these threads but don't post. There's a lot of hokum and snake oil and bogus diets out there. So hopefully it isn't too surprising that there will be a dialogue when someone swings through and says they're on the [insert name here] diet; especially when the diet in question was definitively condemned by a panel of experts in a major publication within the past two weeks.

    I at least enjoyed the little debate, and I hope you enjoy your little diet!
  • rejectuf
    rejectuf Posts: 487 Member
    If someone told you that they were going to put an emphasis on eating primarily organic/grass-fed meat along with lots of vegetables and some fruit; would there be such a negative reaction? What do grains offer that vegetables cannot offer?

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