Serious bone to pick (Diet Fads)

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  • KnM0107
    KnM0107 Posts: 355 Member
    There may be people asking about Weight watchers, Gluten-free or Low Carb around here but I do not really see the pervasiveness of fad diets you mentioned on this forum. These are almost always instantly discredited, with users pointing those asking for help about these diets to the tried and true caloric deficit. Maybe I just don't read enough posts!

    you have not been here long enough ..stick around and you will see posts about raspberry ketones, diet pills, cleanses, 7 day juice fasts/water fasts, etc….trust me.

    No one is talking about that. I don't know why people are such close minded on here sometimes. Keto is a legitimate LIFESTYLE choice. It takes a ****load of commitment to do, far more than what the OP is advocating in his "balanced" approach.

    Yes, you do go though a flu period of about 3-5 days where you don't feel good. I went thought it myself. But once you get out, you feel amazing. Your body is switching into ketosis and using fat instead of carbs. Generally people see too much weightloss initially since first you will dump water, then burn fat stored in organs (et al the liver). Part of the success is integrating exercise in. I run on keto and do lifting and I feel just fine. I drink my protein shake, eat lots of bacon, and keto on.

    This is a diet used in many medical circumstances from diabetics to cancer to epilepsy. If you don't believe me, look it up. But stop spreading misinformation.

    You seem to think everyone will have the same experience with keto as you did... That seems pretty closed minded to me.
    Glad you can eat tons of bacon though. Red meat and pork both make me incredibly ill.
  • KnM0107
    KnM0107 Posts: 355 Member
    I look at the ops pic and the information he post....which I agree with. Then I look at the people who are arguing and their pics, and then their flawed argument.....then I laugh:) Love myfitnesspal.

    I like the original post, but this comment isn't really needed...
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    I look at the ops pic and the information he post....which I agree with. Then I look at the people who are arguing and their pics, and then their flawed argument.....then I laugh:) Love myfitnesspal.
    The assumption being we should want to look as he does? Or relate to food as he does? Sorry, not me. I have no issue with the OP, other than it sounding a bit preachy and single minded. But why assume we share his goals? Perhaps you do, but many don't.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,989 Member
    With the exception of number #11, the rest is pretty solid advice.

    But OP, please don't start trying to endorse products on here. Not only is it against the rules, but companies that work in MLM form are highly rejected by the community in large.

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  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    There may be people asking about Weight watchers, Gluten-free or Low Carb around here but I do not really see the pervasiveness of fad diets you mentioned on this forum. These are almost always instantly discredited, with users pointing those asking for help about these diets to the tried and true caloric deficit. Maybe I just don't read enough posts!

    you have not been here long enough ..stick around and you will see posts about raspberry ketones, diet pills, cleanses, 7 day juice fasts/water fasts, etc….trust me.

    No one is talking about that. I don't know why people are such close minded on here sometimes. Keto is a legitimate LIFESTYLE choice. It takes a ****load of commitment to do, far more than what the OP is advocating in his "balanced" approach.

    Yes, you do go though a flu period of about 3-5 days where you don't feel good. I went thought it myself. But once you get out, you feel amazing. Your body is switching into ketosis and using fat instead of carbs. Generally people see too much weightloss initially since first you will dump water, then burn fat stored in organs (et al the liver). Part of the success is integrating exercise in. I run on keto and do lifting and I feel just fine. I drink my protein shake, eat lots of bacon, and keto on.

    This is a diet used in many medical circumstances from diabetics to cancer to epilepsy. If you don't believe me, look it up. But stop spreading misinformation.

    I never said anything about keto ....I was talking about water fasts, juice fasts, raspberry ketones, etc...

    Way to go overboard though ..

    All I have to say about keto is that it is not some magical fat burning solution. I am happy it works for you, but what you have really done is just create a calorie deficit...
  • misschoppo
    misschoppo Posts: 463 Member
    Bimp
  • JoshuaElement
    JoshuaElement Posts: 29
    lol - Apparently everyone in here has a Bachelors in Health Science and Nutrition & Dietetics.

    So many know-it-all's who know everything about nothing.
  • dunnodunno
    dunnodunno Posts: 2,290 Member
    Bump!
  • KyaniBody
    KyaniBody Posts: 39
    Natural meaning I don't take steroids or banned substances.
    you believe in natural weight loss but take supplements? :indifferent:

    My goal is 160 protein per day and 120 carbs. The days I feel the BEST is when i eat more protein then that and under 100 carbs, but do not freak out if I am over on carbs. Store bread makes me lethargic/tired and makes me feel really stuffed and heavy. Homemade bread varies depending on the recipe.

    naturally low sugar foods seems to help me the best.

    I do take a bunch of vitamins. I am Vitamin D deficient and as a result am deficient in other vitamins. I hope to get back to taking just vitamin D. I also want to replace the protein powder but I find it hard to reach my macors without it most days.

    My food choices are pretty automatic now. I can pretty much throw together a days worth of food without pre-logging and come very close to my goals. Eating it all is sometimes still a challenge however, since protein makes me feel full longer.
  • KyaniBody
    KyaniBody Posts: 39
    For any doubters and anyone just thinking people are genetically gifted etc.... I can message before and after pictures tonight. I will show you me at 230 pounds when I wasn't weight training and only focusing on my career.

    It frustrates me that people argue just to argue. Ever think that this might be the reason you aren't achieving your goals? Stop looking for excuses and get going. I know it sounds harsh but we all need to hold ourselves accountable. Our success and failures are our own.

    I will message them to any doubters. Just send me a message asking for them. You will be shocked how different one looks.
  • just_Jennie1
    just_Jennie1 Posts: 1,233
    you believe in natural weight loss but take supplements?

    Not sure I get your point.

    Supplements give the body the nutrients that it is deficient in. One can argue the "I get allllllll my nutrients through the foods I eat!" but I personally don't believe that unless you get your blood tested and can conclusively say yes, I am deficient in XYZ. I get my blood tested twice a year and adjust my vitamins accordingly because although I eat well balanced, healthy, meals I am still deficient in certain vitamins.

    I did not read supplements as vitamins. I read it as supplements. I don't claim to get all my vitamins naturally because I use protein powder and take vitamins. I also have a vitamin D deficiency so i'll have to take that for the rest of my life. That was my point. vitamins are not natural, nor are supplements or protein powders.

    My bad. Vitamins are also called supplements. Hence my confusion.
  • MelodyandBarbells
    MelodyandBarbells Posts: 7,724 Member
    I look at the ops pic and the information he post....which I agree with. Then I look at the people who are arguing and their pics, and then their flawed argument.....then I laugh:) Love myfitnesspal.

    I like the original post, but this comment isn't really needed...

    Exactly. Isn't that the kind of attitude that makes people come here saying, "my ripped trainer told me I didn't need food so I'm starving myself to lose weight."
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    I look at the ops pic and the information he post....which I agree with. Then I look at the people who are arguing and their pics, and then their flawed argument.....then I laugh:) Love myfitnesspal.

    I like the original post, but this comment isn't really needed...

    Exactly. Isn't that the kind of attitude that makes people come here saying, "my ripped trainer told me I didn't need food so I'm starving myself to lose weight."

    I believe the poster is trying to say that everyone arguing against the OP's advice, appears to be starting at the beginning and is not really sure what they are doing.

    Now, was it said in the best way, probably not..but I get what the person is trying to say.
  • Madmarsha
    Madmarsha Posts: 34
    Bread, sugar .. are not the problem
    Are you sure about that? What macronutrients do you get from sugar?
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,989 Member
    Bread, sugar .. are not the problem
    Are you sure about that? What macronutrients do you get from sugar?
    Sugar is a carb........which happens to be a macronutrient.

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  • ajaxe432
    ajaxe432 Posts: 608 Member
    I look at the ops pic and the information he post....which I agree with. Then I look at the people who are arguing and their pics, and then their flawed argument.....then I laugh:) Love myfitnesspal.
    Imagine that... people who are different than the OP... have a different experience. Shocking.
    Haha....but are they are different? or were they all a caloric deficit. Not that shocking.

    I do not want to look like the OP, nor do I find that look attractive. My diet does not follow all his points and it works well for me. I feel like crapola when i eat 200+ carbs, esp if those carbs are derived from bread and/or pasta or foods high in additives. Different strokes for different folks.
    Agreeable. But for weight loss its simple science...
  • ajaxe432
    ajaxe432 Posts: 608 Member
    I look at the ops pic and the information he post....which I agree with. Then I look at the people who are arguing and their pics, and then their flawed argument.....then I laugh:) Love myfitnesspal.

    I like the original post, but this comment isn't really needed...
    It is when people are arguing something they are wrong about.
  • ajaxe432
    ajaxe432 Posts: 608 Member
    I look at the ops pic and the information he post....which I agree with. Then I look at the people who are arguing and their pics, and then their flawed argument.....then I laugh:) Love myfitnesspal.

    I like the original post, but this comment isn't really needed...

    Exactly. Isn't that the kind of attitude that makes people come here saying, "my ripped trainer told me I didn't need food so I'm starving myself to lose weight."

    I believe the poster is trying to say that everyone arguing against the OP's advice, appears to be starting at the beginning and is not really sure what they are doing.

    Now, was it said in the best way, probably not..but I get what the person is trying to say.
    Ty
  • DatMurse
    DatMurse Posts: 1,501 Member

    #4 You don't need to do 2 hours of cardio a day. Please incorporate free weight training as well. Once again you will not get big and bulky ladies.
    Lets be serious.

    I dont want to lose my feminine thighs though
  • ajaxe432
    ajaxe432 Posts: 608 Member
    I look at the ops pic and the information he post....which I agree with. Then I look at the people who are arguing and their pics, and then their flawed argument.....then I laugh:) Love myfitnesspal.
    The assumption being we should want to look as he does? Or relate to food as he does? Sorry, not me. I have no issue with the OP, other than it sounding a bit preachy and single minded. But why assume we share his goals? Perhaps you do, but many don't.
    Different goals for different people, I agree. But when you argue something with someone who obviously knows what he isdoing...i find it very humerous. Its like a skinny guy going to the gym trying to show a body builder the correct form.
  • conniedj
    conniedj Posts: 470 Member
    Different goals for different people, I agree. But when you argue something with someone who obviously knows what he is doing...i find it very humerous. Its like a skinny guy going to the gym trying to show a body builder the correct form.

    This^^ The OP is being fairly broad spectrum in answering a multitude of incorrect reasoning for following popular culture ( read: diet/exercise). AND when called on something he had incorrect ( absorption of liquid supplements)? He admitted to it. This is a person who is interested in an intelligent dialogue that is pretty rare on these forums.
  • Madmarsha
    Madmarsha Posts: 34
    Bread, sugar .. are not the problem
    Are you sure about that? What macronutrients do you get from sugar?
    Sugar is a carb........which happens to be a macronutrient.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
    So it's good for you then? Oh.
  • DatMurse
    DatMurse Posts: 1,501 Member
    Bread, sugar .. are not the problem
    Are you sure about that? What macronutrients do you get from sugar?
    Sugar is a carb........which happens to be a macronutrient.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
    So it's good for you then? Oh.
    its not bad for you either, everything has its uses and function.
    its really just there
  • Madmarsha
    Madmarsha Posts: 34
    its not bad for you either, everything has its uses and function.
    its really just there
    Uh-huh.
  • p4ulmiller
    p4ulmiller Posts: 588 Member
    bump (reading this at gym tonight) :)

    :huh:
  • EricMurano
    EricMurano Posts: 825 Member
    Whether people are genetically or otherwise predisposed to be thinner, bigger, stronger or weaker has no relevance to YOU and your journey.

    In fact, scratch that, it does have relevance. If I am predisposed to be fat then I can to be extra vigilant of my eating and exercise habits. Being naturally fat doesn't excuse me from trying to stay at a normal weight; it should make me more keen to keep the weight off.
  • EricMurano
    EricMurano Posts: 825 Member
    Bread, sugar .. are not the problem
    Are you sure about that? What macronutrients do you get from sugar?
    Sugar is a carb........which happens to be a macronutrient.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
    So it's good for you then? Oh.
    its not bad for you either, everything has its uses and function.
    its really just there

    I had a conversation years ago with a man who had just read 'Sweet Poison'. I kept referring to sugar as a carb and he kept saying that he's talking about sugar, not carbs. Maybe he was against high GI sugars ...pff who knows with these exclusion dieters.
  • zyxst
    zyxst Posts: 9,149 Member
    I thought OP was on point until #6, which I blew off because I know meal timing doesn't matter, then #8 popped up and I'm trying to understand how water boosts metabolism. and will make me feel fuller (it just makes me not thirsty and need to pee).

    Now I'm just in for gifs.
  • gmallan
    gmallan Posts: 2,099 Member
    Bread, sugar .. are not the problem
    Are you sure about that? What macronutrients do you get from sugar?
    Sugar is a carb........which happens to be a macronutrient.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
    So it's good for you then? Oh.
    its not bad for you either, everything has its uses and function.
    its really just there

    I had a conversation years ago with a man who had just read 'Sweet Poison'. I kept referring to sugar as a carb and he kept saying that he's talking about sugar, not carbs. Maybe he was against high GI sugars ...pff who knows with these exclusion dieters.

    From my observations there does seem to be quite a bit of confusion about this point.
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
    Interesting.

    I think that this is SOOO frikking generalised ..

    People who have pre-diabeties SHOULD cut out carbs and sugar... their body will function better

    People who have water retention or heart issues SHOULD cut sodium because it will **** with their blood pressure.

    I mean.. sure "dont stress about eating before bed".. but honestly , if i cut out eating earlier then I achieve better results. Additionally, it is common the later at night you eat the more likely it is to be something terrible for you.

    Supps = expensive wee... eat nutricious food.

    Im sure that your opinions are far more relevant in a performance environment... but honestly...theres a million ways to loose weight.. and whatever works for them to get rid of it and be a healthier person should be done. If someone cuts out fat completely, and looses 100lbs, then im sure their body is functioning better than if they hadnt cut out the fat and lost the weight...

    I know right...............And we all know how people on the internet know the one size fits all for everyone approach.

    <eyeroll>

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