Are heavy folks malnourished?

I'm kind of the opinion that heavy folks (like myself) are OVER nourished. Too much food. Malnourished implies lack of nourishment, which I personally have never had.

Maybe - that's a pretty wide sweeping statement. Some probably are malnourished due to the types of food they eat. But you can also become overweight/obese if you're eating healthy foods but far too many of them. What you eat impacts health, how much you eat impacts weight.

Yeah, I heard that recently.

Thoughts?

Seems logical since we eat all sorts of what-have-you to get this way.

It's certainly possible, but it has nothing to do with being heavy. It is directly dependent on the quality of the diet, itself.

No doubt SOME are!
I know that at the peak of my weight ( prior to 2006 I was 236+ pounds) I ate foods with plenty of calorific value, but little nutrition! My skin and hair were both lifeless, and I was always tired.

It's possible but I wouldn't say it's probable in most cases. We live in a society where many food products are fortified to prevent malnourishment.

Certainly many people with poor eating habits would benefit from a better nutritional profile, but aren't actually malnutritioned.

I'm kind of the opinion that heavy folks (like myself) are OVER nourished. Too much food. Malnourished implies lack of nourishment, which I personally have never had.

malnourished mean lack of enough essential vitamins and minerals. So if all you eat is cheesecake, even at a caloric surplus you can be malnourished.

In my case, I was DEFINITELY malnourished. I have Celiac disease and was diagnosed a year ago as severely malnourished. I am around 197 pounds now after losing some 28 pounds! My weightloss is also VERY slow because my body is obsorbing the needed nutrients. So to answer your question, some ppl can be malnourished while overweight.

Malnourished means poorly nourished. Mal means bad or incorrect.

Obese people are, by definition, malnourished. They are improperly nourished. Excess of calories, perhaps a lack of certain things like fiber or potassium.

They can be. It has to do with nutrition. You can live off 4000 calories worth of Twinkies daily and be 80 pounds overweight, but still be malnourished.

I'm kind of the opinion that heavy folks (like myself) are OVER nourished. Too much food. Malnourished implies lack of nourishment, which I personally have never had.

There is a very big difference between being well fed and well nourished. According to WHO numbers 43% of the overweight-obese US population are actually well fed but malnourished.
Being well fed means that a person gets enough calories to sustain their energy needs, while being well nourished refers to their general state off health. Because of the specific food culture, a person in the US can easily eat over their calorie need, be well fed ( not suffering from hunger and cover more than their energy need for their activities in a given day ) and still be malnourished, because the food lacks nutritional value.
One should not confuse the two.....:o).

Like others have said - depends on the individual. Eat only Twinkies, be malnourished no matter your size. Eat a reasonably varied diet, be properly nourished no matter your size.

"food toxins and malnutrition [are both] well attested as causes of obesity in animals:

The easiest way to induce obesity in animals is to feed them a carb toxin and a fat toxin – e.g. wheat, fructose, or alcohol with polyunsaturated fats or hydrogenated trans-fats.
Obesity in animals can also be induced by nutrient deficiencies, as in the “methionine-choline deficient diet.”
These causes also seem to be active in humans:

Intake of fructose and polyunsaturated fats is strongly associated with obesity in humans.
Famine studies show that those who experience a period of severe malnourishment are more likely to become obese."

Err, I'm guessing you didn't provide a reference for this quote because you know it's garbage and the source is beyond questionable.

The easiest way to induce obesity is to feed an animal a lot of food and keep them immobile. Strong associations (i.e. correlations) are not very meaningful in human epidemiological studies - almost always, there's too many other unaccounted for factors involved.

About the only correct statement in there is about the famine studies. Duh. Starve someone and waste away their musculature, dropping their BMR into the toilet. Then re-feed without an effort to build back the lost musculature, and big surprise - they get fat on less calories than they did before. Has nothing to do with heavy folks being malnourished.

Speaking from personal experience: ABSOLUTELY. When one isn't consuming enough of the micronutrients that a body needs, your body will fight to get those nutrients and the result is over-eating, and in my case, a diagnosis of binge eating disorder (and a very long list of health problems). And it's not all about vegetables; there are other foods that are vital to health as well.

Amazingly, as soon as I changed WHAT I eat, I automatically started to consume less calories and all of my health problems were resolved very quickly. Of course the weight loss is taking a bit longer but I am already in a healthy weight range.

Like others have said - depends on the individual. Eat only Twinkies, be malnourished no matter your size. Eat a reasonably varied diet, be properly nourished no matter your size.

"food toxins and malnutrition [are both] well attested as causes of obesity in animals:

The easiest way to induce obesity in animals is to feed them a carb toxin and a fat toxin – e.g. wheat, fructose, or alcohol with polyunsaturated fats or hydrogenated trans-fats.
Obesity in animals can also be induced by nutrient deficiencies, as in the “methionine-choline deficient diet.”
These causes also seem to be active in humans:

Intake of fructose and polyunsaturated fats is strongly associated with obesity in humans.
Famine studies show that those who experience a period of severe malnourishment are more likely to become obese."

Err, I'm guessing you didn't provide a reference for this quote because you know it's garbage and the source is beyond questionable.

The easiest way to induce obesity is to feed an animal a lot of food and keep them immobile. Strong associations (i.e. correlations) are not very meaningful in human epidemiological studies - almost always, there's too many other unaccounted for factors involved.

About the only correct statement in there is about the famine studies. Duh. Starve someone and waste away their musculature, dropping their BMR into the toilet. Then re-feed without an effort to build back the lost musculature, and big surprise - they get fat on less calories than they did before. Has nothing to do with heavy folks being malnourished.

I'm guessing it's from that perfect health diet book that she linked to the reference page of.

Can't confirm. Not buying the book to find out.

ETA: NVM, quietbloom is a better detective than me.

ETA2:

To Get Really Fat, You Need an Adenovirus Infection

A new study [4] has given us new information about the prevalence and effects of AD-36 in humans. The study found that 22% of obese children (that is, children in the top 5 percentiles of BMI), but only 7% of non-obese, have AD-36 antibodies. Moreover, among the obese children, those who were AD-36-antibody-positive were much fatter than the other obese children. It seems the top 0.1% of children in BMI are probably overwhelmingly made up of AD-36-infected children.

Strong deductive reasoning without testing hypothesis skills.