What are they putting in our food?!

What if I told you...everything is made up of chemicals?

*head aspoldes*

So buying fresh meat, fruit and veg at the supermarket and eating a balance diet is impossible if you buy it all at the supermarket?

Again sorry but I believe that to be utter nonsense.

And yes there is a difference taste wise between freshly picked veg/fruit and some of the supermarket fruit/veg. But to say that supermarket foods are so lacking that we are all deficient in macronutrients is rubbish.

Well, studies seem to believe otherwise. But I'm sure those studies, since they go against your beliefs, are just hogwash, and nonsense, and probably cost money, so you have to pay for a book or a publication to read about em, so are therefore bunk.

Right?

Iodine, D, B12, iron, suflur, and more.

Research deficiency in any of those.

Is Scientific American a good enough source for you?

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/soil-depletion-and-nutrition-loss/

If anything, iodine deficiencies are less common today in America than in the '50s. I'd think it would be very difficult to assign deficiencies of these elects to be either primarily the responsibility of supermarket food nor is it difficult to have sufficient of each of these from that type of food.

And no Scientific America, although an enjoyable read, is not a good source.
Always go to the source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15637215

Which states a decline in some micro nutrients (and none in many), not that you will have a deficiency from eating from these sources. Sorry.

Yup. Even if there is a decline in the micronutrient content of a fruit or vegetable, it doesn't necessarily translate into not getting enough of it.

It's difficult to do so.

Not impossible, clearly.. but, well.. read:

http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletters/Harvard_Womens_Health_Watch/2009/July/Getting-your-vitamins-and-minerals-through-diet

Can it be done? Sure. (as long as you supplement with D).

are MOST people going to be able to manage to do it, with no supplementation? Unlikely.

Well, if that is the case, then take a daily multivitamin. Problem solved.

Amusingly the article is actually about the ineffectiveness of supplements and that you can get all you need via your diet.

:laugh: I didn't even read the article. And yeah, most multis are rather ineffective. The better ones are ones that you need to take a few times per day.

So buying fresh meat, fruit and veg at the supermarket and eating a balance diet is impossible if you buy it all at the supermarket?

Again sorry but I believe that to be utter nonsense.

And yes there is a difference taste wise between freshly picked veg/fruit and some of the supermarket fruit/veg. But to say that supermarket foods are so lacking that we are all deficient in macronutrients is rubbish.

Well, studies seem to believe otherwise. But I'm sure those studies, since they go against your beliefs, are just hogwash, and nonsense, and probably cost money, so you have to pay for a book or a publication to read about em, so are therefore bunk.

Right?

Iodine, D, B12, iron, suflur, and more.

Research deficiency in any of those.

Is Scientific American a good enough source for you?

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/soil-depletion-and-nutrition-loss/

If anything, iodine deficiencies are less common today in America than in the '50s. I'd think it would be very difficult to assign deficiencies of these elects to be either primarily the responsibility of supermarket food nor is it difficult to have sufficient of each of these from that type of food.

And no Scientific America, although an enjoyable read, is not a good source.
Always go to the source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15637215

Which states a decline in some micro nutrients (and none in many), not that you will have a deficiency from eating from these sources. Sorry.

Yup. Even if there is a decline in the micronutrient content of a fruit or vegetable, it doesn't necessarily translate into not getting enough of it.

It's difficult to do so.

Not impossible, clearly.. but, well.. read:

http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletters/Harvard_Womens_Health_Watch/2009/July/Getting-your-vitamins-and-minerals-through-diet

Can it be done? Sure. (as long as you supplement with D).

are MOST people going to be able to manage to do it, with no supplementation? Unlikely.

Do you even read the links you post. It says you can do it and even gives a sample menu. And careful planning =\= difficult.

It even shows how to do it on a 1200 cal a day diet.

Not only that but the article does not in any way criticize supermarket food.

Moving goal posts.

Amusingly the article is actually about the ineffectiveness of supplements and that you can get all you need via your diet.

No, it's not.

and if you want to eat that "sample diet" every day, f'n go nuts.

I know I don't keep most of that stuff around the house, nor do I have the time or the money to prepare it daily.

WIld caught salmon? Papaya? Kiwi? Bok Choy and edamame?

If you have that laying around, more power to you.

Course, you can also get all your nutritional needs met by McDonalds.. so why even cook food at home? Just eat mcdonalds. You'll be FINE!

I do that when I'm working out of town on two week trips.

And wild caught salmon, papaya, kiwi, bok choy, and edamame are common items in the grocery store...so I don't understand why you couldn't have that laying around. :huh:

I'm not saying that some foods are not bad for you separate from how much you consume. I know I feel like crap after eating salty popcorn while watching a movie. I'm just saying that there's a trend of worrying about things that don't need to be worried about.

Amusingly the article is actually about the ineffectiveness of supplements and that you can get all you need via your diet.

No, it's not.

and if you want to eat that "sample diet" every day, f'n go nuts.

I know I don't keep most of that stuff around the house, nor do I have the time or the money to prepare it daily.

WIld caught salmon? Papaya? Kiwi? Bok Choy and edamame?

If you have that laying around, more power to you.

I can get all of those things from my supermarket. Of course, it would probably kill me on account of being devoid of nutrients.

typo edit

Amusingly the article is actually about the ineffectiveness of supplements and that you can get all you need via your diet.

No, it's not.

and if you want to eat that "sample diet" every day, f'n go nuts.

I know I don't keep most of that stuff around the house, nor do I have the time or the money to prepare it daily.

WIld caught salmon? Papaya? Kiwi? Bok Choy and edamame?

If you have that laying around, more power to you.

Course, you can also get all your nutritional needs met by McDonalds.. so why even cook food at home? Just eat mcdonalds. You'll be FINE!

Okay, great snarky comment. Maybe people eat at fast food places because they travel for work, and have limited options.

Yep, bok choy is pretty good and we get at the CSA in the summer/fall and the supermarket in the other months. Inexpensive and easy to use.

Amusingly the article is actually about the ineffectiveness of supplements and that you can get all you need via your diet.

No, it's not.

and if you want to eat that "sample diet" every day, f'n go nuts.

I know I don't keep most of that stuff around the house, nor do I have the time or the money to prepare it daily.

WIld caught salmon? Papaya? Kiwi? Bok Choy and edamame?

If you have that laying around, more power to you.

Course, you can also get all your nutritional needs met by McDonalds.. so why even cook food at home? Just eat mcdonalds. You'll be FINE!

What are you even on about?

What exact point are you trying to make throughout this thread? You keep making assertions and when ask to support them you cite articles that in no way make any point you are alluding to and in fact refute it. Then you make done other diatribe that is not even on topic or even comprehensible.

And what was that about a straw man?

Put the tin foil hats away and just focus on tracking your food and exercising. People get caught up in this nonsense as a way to creatively avoid doing the hard work.

But it still sucks if people let's say buy so called " Healthy " natural fruit cereal, spend their hard earned money on it to find out that it does not even have fruit or anything natural derived from fruit.
Here in Mexico ( and I admit we are in some things a light year or two behind other countries ) a product must say in fairly large ( easily legible size ) the word " type " or " style ....as in " pomegranate &cranberry type flavor " and most people know that it means that there is nothing natural. For example, for the last few years almost all instant chocolate-milk drinks are now labelled as " chocolate milk type " drink, because many of them have neither real milk, nor real chocolate.
The sad thing is, that many people still don't read labels........because they can't read.

One of the reasons I don't do pre/post work out powders like the ones you mention is all of the ingredients in them. I do not eat 100% clean but I cannot make it right in my head to drink something that 99% of the ingredients I cannot pronounce.

Take a chemistry class and youll be able to then.

One of the reasons I don't do pre/post work out powders like the ones you mention is all of the ingredients in them. I do not eat 100% clean but I cannot make it right in my head to drink something that 99% of the ingredients I cannot pronounce.

Take a chemistry class and youll be able to then.

I think it's funny that people actually use ignorance as a justification to avoid something.

Yep, bok choy is pretty good and we get at the CSA in the summer/fall and the supermarket in the other months. Inexpensive and easy to use.

Seriously. A little garlic, a little ginger, a little oil and bam, you've got yourself some delicious bok choy for basically no work at all.


And now I want some. Great.

A little soy sauce and I'm with you; and if I have it, fresh ginger ideally. Yes, now I want sushi, bok choy', and some baby eggplant with brown sugar....dat gum it.

Always fresh ginger. I'm not big on soy sauce though...

But In for sushi. Nomnom

My boyfriend's mother has a campaign going on about the flouride in Australian tap water.

The part I agree with is the fact that the public never gets asked whether they want this stuff in their water.

How about I just eat what I want to eat and die when my time is up...no one is going to live forever and I could eat clean for the next 2 days and then die in a freak accident where I get hit by a meteor and die. So, what difference does it make...