Some should use the money on bettering themselves.....

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  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,042 Member
    Rather than their pets. Reading an article on show dogs a while back, some spent as much as $5000 a month to keep their dog fed, groomed, housed and trained. Mind you it's not doing tricks like "roll over" or "jump through the hoop", but just how to trot and stop and stand still.
    So I see this cost and look at the physical shape of the owner and facepalm. Many obviously don't take as good as care of themselves as their dog. I'll never understand it even though many have tried to explain the why, I still can't help but wonder why they care more about the dog than themselves.
    A child or relative, I can see since they can carry on genes and legacy. I do get that one can get very attached to an animal, but fail to see how one puts that animals health and well being over their own.

    Okay, I'm ready for the animal lovers to bash me now.

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    Lol why should they? It's their money, it's their business. Just because it appears that you judge people on what they look like, perhaps they don't.....
    If you noticed, I said "physical shape". If you've ever watched a clip of a dog show, the owner RUNS with the dog. When the owner is panting and huffing from running 10yds, it's probably a good indication that the dogs health and fitness is better than theirs.
    And why should they? Probably because if they succumb to death or illness, who's gonna take care of their precious dog then?:wink:

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    I thought it was the handler that showed the dogs and ran with them etc. and not the owner. :huh:
    Many owners are the handlers. There are "mutts" allowed in shows and apparently are now allowed in the biggest one (Westminster) . Of course there are owners that just look at the dog as a commodity though and pay someone to ensure that the dog is it's best.

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  • ninerbuff
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    Hell, why not turn all the dogs loose and let them live the way "nature intended"? As long as we're doing away with man playing all powerful creator we shouldn't be domesticating animals at all. Then we'd have more time to spend looking good for ninerbuff.
    You'd have to change your gender first for me to look at you.:laugh:

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  • mccindy72
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    A child or relative, I can see since they can carry on genes and legacy. I do get that one can get very attached to an animal, but fail to see how one puts that animals health and well being over their own.

    Because someone can't have children and their pet is their "child"?

    I have two grown children who've moved out and on with their lives. My three dogs that live with me now are beloved like children.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,042 Member
    I have come realize that my goals are NOT your goals. And my reasons for doing things are NOT yours.

    My "purpose" is unique to me, and I spend my money to achieve that purpose. Just as my family doesn't understand mine, but they accept me and it anyways... I do the same for them.

    If someone wants to spend the money on their dog, it's their money. Let them be.

    Take off the judgey pants and add another set of weights to your bar.
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    Oh trust that I could really care less what people want to do with their money. There way more odd things that people spend a lot of money on that trumps this.
    Lol, and I'm on a deload phase right now.:laugh:

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    You cared so little that you started a thread.
    Lol, I made an opinion of what I thought. I'm not lying awake at night contemplating on how other people are spending their money.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
    You disagree with my opinion. That's fine. No need to try to personally attack me because you do.

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  • SoDamnHungry
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    But my little princess needs a diamond-studded collar and professional pouting lessons!
  • ninerbuff
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    Personally I don't get the whole pure bred thing to begin with. I'm a veterinary assistant and see countless pure bred animals brought in because of genetic health problems just because people have an obsession with playing all powerful creator and making everything around them suit their own needs. English Bulldogs can't even have puppies naturally anymore because they've been bred to have such large heads and narrow hips that to try to deliver a litter naturally can literally kill them. Same with chihuahua's and other toy breeds. AND the AKC has rules against altered animals entering their competitions so you cannot get your animal spayed or neutered in order to show. This only perpetuates the continuation of the breeding and selling of these animals while the gene pool gets smaller and smaller.

    What's wrong with going to your local shelter and rescuing an animal that desperately needs a home? Mixed breed dogs tend to live 5-8 years longer than a pure bred animal, they are usually already fixed as part of their adoption fee, and in general don't encounter the severe health issues that many pure breed dogs do, thus lowering the expenses of the owner exponentially. AND, they love you just the same or even more because you gave them a second chance.

    Hell, why not turn all the dogs loose and let them live the way "nature intended"? As long as we're doing away with man playing all powerful creator we shouldn't be domesticating animals at all. Then we'd have more time to spend looking good for ninerbuff.

    Wow. Way to take something intended to be educational and run off a bridge with it. Do you not realize that dogs domesticated themselves basically. But what do I know. I only have a career in animal welfare.

    Career. At 24.

    And you have no idea what my background is.
    Lol, so people now can't have careers at 24? How old to they have to be?

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  • 3dogsrunning
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    Personally I don't get the whole pure bred thing to begin with. I'm a veterinary assistant and see countless pure bred animals brought in because of genetic health problems just because people have an obsession with playing all powerful creator and making everything around them suit their own needs. English Bulldogs can't even have puppies naturally anymore because they've been bred to have such large heads and narrow hips that to try to deliver a litter naturally can literally kill them. Same with chihuahua's and other toy breeds. AND the AKC has rules against altered animals entering their competitions so you cannot get your animal spayed or neutered in order to show. This only perpetuates the continuation of the breeding and selling of these animals while the gene pool gets smaller and smaller.

    What's wrong with going to your local shelter and rescuing an animal that desperately needs a home? Mixed breed dogs tend to live 5-8 years longer than a pure bred animal, they are usually already fixed as part of their adoption fee, and in general don't encounter the severe health issues that many pure breed dogs do, thus lowering the expenses of the owner exponentially. AND, they love you just the same or even more because you gave them a second chance.

    Some people want purebreds because they want the predictability, size, temperament, drive, etc. Temperament is primarily herediatry. Health can be dependant on genetics.
    There are different breeds for a reason, almost all had a function at one point. Many people still use their dogs for those reasons, again why some people desire purebreds.

    There is a whole world of difference between a well bred purebred and just breeding a purebred. I don't agree with breeding for the sake of breed or breeding for looks alone either, espcially at the expense of health.

    There is nothing wrong with going to your local shelter either, nothing wrong with mixes, but your premise that they are healtier or live 5-8 years longer is unfounded. I have yet to find any reliable sources to support that. Mixing breeds does not automatically make a dog healthier. You are still introducing genetic diseases from both breeds into the offspring. For example, if you check the OFA site for Hip Dysplasia, you'll notice that the "labradoodle" (which is not a purebred, but a mix of Labs and Poodles) has a higher rate of hip dysplasia than both the Lab and the Poodle.


    ETA - From what I understand, mutts are allowed to compete at Westminster in an agility competition, not the conformation portion.
  • To each of their own, I have seen older couples being happy with their dogs. While their kids have grown up, gone and lost in their own world. Its not my money nor I expect others to spend the money like I would. This post is silly.
  • I agree. I love my cats, and they're spoiled but I notice the waistline of many of the pet owners (more so dogs, in my town). There is only one dedicated one who owns an adorable dalmation, that walks him literally everywhere. He spends a ton of time walking him on the trails here in town, and I respect that kind of owner. Having a pet is like having a kid, better stay in shape to take care of them. It's irresponsible not to.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,042 Member
    You sure seem to have the skills to motivate people into striving for a healthier lifestyle. Perhaps you should post this in your portfolio so the stupid people know exactly what they are signing up for when using your services.
    People motivate themselves to come in. I just show them how to work out and lose weight safely and correctly. My opinion on how people like to spend their money has no impact on how I train people to reach their goals. So this post wouldn't help them.

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  • LoraF83
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    Personally I don't get the whole pure bred thing to begin with. I'm a veterinary assistant and see countless pure bred animals brought in because of genetic health problems just because people have an obsession with playing all powerful creator and making everything around them suit their own needs. English Bulldogs can't even have puppies naturally anymore because they've been bred to have such large heads and narrow hips that to try to deliver a litter naturally can literally kill them. Same with chihuahua's and other toy breeds. AND the AKC has rules against altered animals entering their competitions so you cannot get your animal spayed or neutered in order to show. This only perpetuates the continuation of the breeding and selling of these animals while the gene pool gets smaller and smaller.

    What's wrong with going to your local shelter and rescuing an animal that desperately needs a home? Mixed breed dogs tend to live 5-8 years longer than a pure bred animal, they are usually already fixed as part of their adoption fee, and in general don't encounter the severe health issues that many pure breed dogs do, thus lowering the expenses of the owner exponentially. AND, they love you just the same or even more because you gave them a second chance.

    As a vet tech, you should know that it is possible to purchase a healthy dog from a responsible hobby breeder who is selective about whom he/she sells to and takes every care to make sure that the dog is going to the right home, is healthy, will be spayed/neutered, etc. There are many breeders who specify that the dog must be fixed in the purchase agreement.

    And 99% of the time, if a dog is being shown, he/she is not going to be given the opportunity to procreate. Those owners aren't just letting their dog run around and impregnate other dogs (or allowing them to be impregnated). There's a whole lot of work that goes into showing with the AKC and I imagine most of those owners wouldn't want to throw it all away on a litter of puppies.

    I have a purebred Golden from a hobby breeder, who made me sign a contract that he would be neutered. His dam and sire were certified to be free of hip dysplasia. The breeder only had 1-2 litters of puppies per year and made the potential owners complete a lot of paperwork and come for an interview. They were very, very thorough. He has had no health issues, is 12 years old and is only recently showing signs of slowing down.

    I also have a mutt that I adopted from a shelter. He's neutered and has health issues (insipidous diabetes, issues with his eye sight, dry skin, etc).

    TL:DR - you are speaking in absolutes about things which have many more options and explanations than what you are presenting.
  • sjohnny
    sjohnny Posts: 56,142 Member
    Personally I don't get the whole pure bred thing to begin with. I'm a veterinary assistant and see countless pure bred animals brought in because of genetic health problems just because people have an obsession with playing all powerful creator and making everything around them suit their own needs. English Bulldogs can't even have puppies naturally anymore because they've been bred to have such large heads and narrow hips that to try to deliver a litter naturally can literally kill them. Same with chihuahua's and other toy breeds. AND the AKC has rules against altered animals entering their competitions so you cannot get your animal spayed or neutered in order to show. This only perpetuates the continuation of the breeding and selling of these animals while the gene pool gets smaller and smaller.

    What's wrong with going to your local shelter and rescuing an animal that desperately needs a home? Mixed breed dogs tend to live 5-8 years longer than a pure bred animal, they are usually already fixed as part of their adoption fee, and in general don't encounter the severe health issues that many pure breed dogs do, thus lowering the expenses of the owner exponentially. AND, they love you just the same or even more because you gave them a second chance.

    Hell, why not turn all the dogs loose and let them live the way "nature intended"? As long as we're doing away with man playing all powerful creator we shouldn't be domesticating animals at all. Then we'd have more time to spend looking good for ninerbuff.

    Wow. Way to take something intended to be educational and run off a bridge with it. Do you not realize that dogs domesticated themselves basically. But what do I know. I only have a career in animal welfare.

    Career. At 24.

    And you have no idea what my background is.
    Lol, so people now can't have careers at 24? How old to they have to be?

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    I was responding more to her making it sound like she had many many years of expertise in the field. Like someone having been in the animal welfare field for 30 years having studied canine genetics and veterinary medicine.
  • btsinmd
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    Personally I don't get the whole pure bred thing to begin with. I'm a veterinary assistant and see countless pure bred animals brought in because of genetic health problems just because people have an obsession with playing all powerful creator and making everything around them suit their own needs. English Bulldogs can't even have puppies naturally anymore because they've been bred to have such large heads and narrow hips that to try to deliver a litter naturally can literally kill them. Same with chihuahua's and other toy breeds. AND the AKC has rules against altered animals entering their competitions so you cannot get your animal spayed or neutered in order to show. This only perpetuates the continuation of the breeding and selling of these animals while the gene pool gets smaller and smaller.
    Most purebred dogs are very healthy and have no trouble delivering their puppies. I've been involved in the breeding of Collies, Shelties, Golden Retrievers, and Border Terriers and except for the owner getting all tense and worried, most breeding and deliveries were fine. I even had one Border Terrier have a puppy in my lap when I was visiting a friend. Yes, some of the very small and a couple of the extreme breeds can have problems, but there are hundreds of dog breeds that do not

    Also, the AKC doesn't allow dogs under 7 years old to be shown in conformation if they are altered. That's true. However altered dogs can be shown in conformation in the veterans class in many breeds and altered dogs can be shown in AKC:
    - obedience,
    - rally obedience,
    - agility,
    - tracking,
    - herding,
    - lure coursing,
    - earthdog,
    - gundog classes,
    - and other competitions.
    What's wrong with going to your local shelter and rescuing an animal that desperately needs a home? Mixed breed dogs tend to live 5-8 years longer than a pure bred animal, they are usually already fixed as part of their adoption fee, and in general don't encounter the severe health issues that many pure breed dogs do, thus lowering the expenses of the owner exponentially. AND, they love you just the same or even more because you gave them a second chance.
    What is wrong with wanting a predictable puppy from known lines that have a excellent chance to be healthy and mentally up to doing the dog activities that I'd like to do with them? I have had mixes and rescues and purebreds. Sometimes I don't want an adult. Sometimes I want a puppy that I know will grow up to a predictable size and have a predictable disposition, sometimes I didn't care as much.
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    Where in the world did you get the 5-8 years longer bit? I've had a terrier mix that lived to 14 yo, five Border Terriers, that lived to 13, 15, and 14 yo (two still alive at 10 and 3 yo), and a Golden Retriever that lived a very healthy 16 yo. Only the mixed breed had any health issues. Are you telling me that the purebreds would have lived 5-8 years longer if they were mixed breeds? That's crazy!

    Are you also going to start telling parents that it's wrong for them to have children when there are so many children in foster care? My parents had 4 children naturally and 3 children from foster care. I know how desperately children in foster care need homes. They are great kids who just need someone to take them in and love them. And they are children! future adult members of our society! yet people keep having kids of their own and very few think about the children that are in group homes and have no families of their own. I support people making their own choices and doing what is right for them. I don't stick my nose into other people's business unless they stick theirs into mine first. I wish others would do the same.
  • sjohnny
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    Hell, why not turn all the dogs loose and let them live the way "nature intended"? As long as we're doing away with man playing all powerful creator we shouldn't be domesticating animals at all. Then we'd have more time to spend looking good for ninerbuff.
    You'd have to change your gender first for me to look at you.:laugh:

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  • ninerbuff
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    What, so fat people aren't allowed to have expensive hobbies until they've stopped being fat?

    You know what a competition grade trap shotgun costs? And how many thousands of shells those guys shoot in a month? And some of them are fat.

    Have you ever been to the drag races? Even the "run what you brung" days will have guys show up with tens of thousands of dollars in their cars. Some of those guys are fat.

    Should they put all other plans and hobbies and good times on hold until they conform with your idea of attractive and healthy?
    Jumping the gun here. I never mentioned fat. I stated "physical shape". Watching some of the owners run with their dogs and looking like they were going to keel over after it was done. There are lots of fat people who are in good physical shape. NFL line man for instance. Sumo wrestlers for another.
    Maybe I should have elaborated more in my OP.

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    Okay. Replace where I said "fat" with "not able to easily run more than a few yards". It's still the same.
    If you say so. I would think that if running with the dog is part of the presentation, the person doing it shouldn't have to struggle with it.

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  • ninerbuff
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    A child or relative, I can see since they can carry on genes and legacy. I do get that one can get very attached to an animal, but fail to see how one puts that animals health and well being over their own.

    Because someone can't have children and their pet is their "child"?
    Again, my opinion. You disagree. That's cool.

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  • TripleJ3
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    I have come realize that my goals are NOT your goals. And my reasons for doing things are NOT yours.

    My "purpose" is unique to me, and I spend my money to achieve that purpose. Just as my family doesn't understand mine, but they accept me and it anyways... I do the same for them.

    If someone wants to spend the money on their dog, it's their money. Let them be.

    Take off the judgey pants and add another set of weights to your bar.
    :smile:
    Oh trust that I could really care less what people want to do with their money. There way more odd things that people spend a lot of money on that trumps this.
    Lol, and I'm on a deload phase right now.:laugh:

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    You cared so little that you started a thread.


    He said he could care less, which means he could care less but chooses not too and rants on forums about it
  • SunofaBeach14
    SunofaBeach14 Posts: 4,899 Member
    Rather than their pets. Reading an article on show dogs a while back, some spent as much as $5000 a month to keep their dog fed, groomed, housed and trained. Mind you it's not doing tricks like "roll over" or "jump through the hoop", but just how to trot and stop and stand still.
    So I see this cost and look at the physical shape of the owner and facepalm. Many obviously don't take as good as care of themselves as their dog. I'll never understand it even though many have tried to explain the why, I still can't help but wonder why they care more about the dog than themselves.
    A child or relative, I can see since they can carry on genes and legacy. I do get that one can get very attached to an animal, but fail to see how one puts that animals health and well being over their own.

    Okay, I'm ready for the animal lovers to bash me now.

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    Lol why should they? It's their money, it's their business. Just because it appears that you judge people on what they look like, perhaps they don't.....
    If you noticed, I said "physical shape". If you've ever watched a clip of a dog show, the owner RUNS with the dog. When the owner is panting and huffing from running 10yds, it's probably a good indication that the dogs health and fitness is better than theirs.
    And why should they? Probably because if they succumb to death or illness, who's gonna take care of their precious dog then?:wink:

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    And after the dog owners die this is what happens to the poor doggie....

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    It could have been all prevented to. Just if that dog owner would have cared enough about fido or fifi to not let poor health get the best of them and retire earlier than expected.

    That is not going to happen to a top show dog. If the owner died, the dog would be sold for lots and lots of money.

    Selling? That's sounds so barbaric!

    Dogs are people too.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,042 Member
    Personally I don't get the whole pure bred thing to begin with. I'm a veterinary assistant and see countless pure bred animals brought in because of genetic health problems just because people have an obsession with playing all powerful creator and making everything around them suit their own needs. English Bulldogs can't even have puppies naturally anymore because they've been bred to have such large heads and narrow hips that to try to deliver a litter naturally can literally kill them. Same with chihuahua's and other toy breeds. AND the AKC has rules against altered animals entering their competitions so you cannot get your animal spayed or neutered in order to show. This only perpetuates the continuation of the breeding and selling of these animals while the gene pool gets smaller and smaller.

    What's wrong with going to your local shelter and rescuing an animal that desperately needs a home? Mixed breed dogs tend to live 5-8 years longer than a pure bred animal, they are usually already fixed as part of their adoption fee, and in general don't encounter the severe health issues that many pure breed dogs do, thus lowering the expenses of the owner exponentially. AND, they love you just the same or even more because you gave them a second chance.

    Hell, why not turn all the dogs loose and let them live the way "nature intended"? As long as we're doing away with man playing all powerful creator we shouldn't be domesticating animals at all. Then we'd have more time to spend looking good for ninerbuff.

    Wow. Way to take something intended to be educational and run off a bridge with it. Do you not realize that dogs domesticated themselves basically. But what do I know. I only have a career in animal welfare.

    Career. At 24.

    And you have no idea what my background is.
    Lol, so people now can't have careers at 24? How old to they have to be?

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    I was responding more to her making it sound like she had many many years of expertise in the field. Like someone having been in the animal welfare field for 30 years having studied canine genetics and veterinary medicine.
    I wouldn't always rely on age or length of time in any field as the most reliable factor into whether someone was right or wrong in their assertions. Heck in my industry there are lots of 50 year old trainers who have been in it for years, who still tout detoxes, meal timing, clean eating, etc. as the only "real" way to lose weight and be healthy.
    I've also met people who have started at a very young age (say gymnastics or dance) who are in their mid twenties and are instructors and trainers who are very very good at it.

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  • ninerbuff
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    Hell, why not turn all the dogs loose and let them live the way "nature intended"? As long as we're doing away with man playing all powerful creator we shouldn't be domesticating animals at all. Then we'd have more time to spend looking good for ninerbuff.
    You'd have to change your gender first for me to look at you.:laugh:

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    No hate. You're just not my type.:laugh:

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  • TripleJ3
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    I'll admit it, part of me is curious or "judges" why so many pageants moms are so out of shape. Same with that lady on Dance Moms. I don't think all people have to look performance ready but I think they should set an example and take better care of themselves.

    I'd be leary if any of my daughters gymnastic coaches were out of shape and in the obese range. Same with a hair stylist with terrible unkept hair.
  • Ang108
    Ang108 Posts: 1,706 Member
    As long as the behavior, spending attitude, opinions of people do not affect me and my life negatively, I have no reason to judge and/or criticize. I live by that rule.
    If what people think or do negatively influences my life I take action; like when the neighbors park their car in my spot, I complained even though I don't have a car. I had to pay extra ( the equivalent of 17000 dollars, which they did not do ) for the parking space when I bought my home and it's mine to do with as a please , so I wrote them a letter. I also complained when the water bill increased by 350% for the same amount of water.
    I do however not waste my time and energy with things that don't affect me and are none of my business.
    And if someone would tell me that I could not spoil my dog, go on vacation, buy expensive opera tickets, buy fancy shoes etc because I am overweight, I would give that person a very big and nasty piece of my mind.
  • ThriceBlessed
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    Spending money while someone/something else does the actual work is easy. Doing work is hard.

    Exactly, if you have the money, you can easily feed your dog the best, most organic, healthiest diet available... you can hire someone to walk him and make sure he gets all his exercise, you can send him to doggy daycare so he's properly socialized, enroll him in agility training to keep him active... and pay a handler to take him through the course. You can even hire someone to play with him outside so he gets the needed human attention, and you can pay groomers to make sure he looks his best... All without using one ounce of personal discipline or effort on your part, none of it requires you to lift a finger.

    However, to better yourself you have to put out effort. You can hire a personal trainer, but you are the one who has to exercise. You can enroll in college courses to better your education, but it is you who will have to study. You can sign up for enrichment classes like art or music, but you are the one who has to show up, pay attention, and put out effort. You can purchase a gym membership, but you have to show up and do the work. You can enroll in a Zumba class or other exercise class, but it won't do any good if you aren't disciplined to show up. You could probably hire a personal chef to come and fix the healthiest, most organic, best diet available for a human being... but if afterward you give into your craving to devour a large pizza from the local restaurant that won't do you any good.

    So it boils down to the fact that it EASIER for someone who has the money to simply write a check for the care of a pet, than it is for them to put out the effort to take care of themselves.

    Note: I once worked at a pet store that boarded small animals as well, Michael Landon kept his very expensive Parrot there. I never could understand why someone would buy a bird that cost (at that time) $5000, if they weren't even going to keep it at their home. I mean, the bird lived full time in the store, and in the year I worked there, Michael Landon visited one time for about 5 minutes. Why not just visit a zoo to look at the animals if that is the kind of relationship you'll have with a pet?!? Oh, and Michael Landon was one of my favorite actors... so I'm not just trying to be critical... I just really didn't understand. At least he DID make sure the bird was well cared for though, some people who lose interest in a pet just neglect it.
  • DamePiglet
    DamePiglet Posts: 3,730 Member
    OP, I personally think your outlook on the world in general would improve if you had better taste in football teams.


    :bigsmile: (takes cover)
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,042 Member
    I have come realize that my goals are NOT your goals. And my reasons for doing things are NOT yours.

    My "purpose" is unique to me, and I spend my money to achieve that purpose. Just as my family doesn't understand mine, but they accept me and it anyways... I do the same for them.

    If someone wants to spend the money on their dog, it's their money. Let them be.

    Take off the judgey pants and add another set of weights to your bar.
    :smile:
    Oh trust that I could really care less what people want to do with their money. There way more odd things that people spend a lot of money on that trumps this.
    Lol, and I'm on a deload phase right now.:laugh:

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    You cared so little that you started a thread.


    He said he could care less, which means he could care less but chooses not too and rants on forums about it
    Not a rant, but an opinion. Having an opinion on something doesn't mean I have to care about it. For example: I don't believe in god. I could really care less if people do or not. See how that works?
    What it seems that people really care about on the forums is if an opinion isn't agreed upon, some get butthurt over it and try to discredit the person stating the opinion.
    You disagree, I'm cool with that. So just disagree, but don't try to analyze why I post what I post as if you actually know me.
    And no I'm not butthurt about it.:wink:

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  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,042 Member
    OP, I personally think your outlook on the world in general would improve if you had better taste in football teams.


    :bigsmile: (takes cover)
    Wait. Let's count the SB rings............................oh okay. Yeah, I'm with the right team.:wink:

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  • 1shauna1
    1shauna1 Posts: 993 Member
    I am an animal lover.....but I've heard scary things about the way those show people treat their animals (almost just like trophies, not like living things). I probably overspend on my two dogs....but yes, that is extreme. And I think actually the people in the rings with them aren't the owners, just people hired to "show" the dogs, and they're often hired by multiple dog owners (because they can make the dog walk the best, etc.). I prefer to watch the mutts doing the obstacle courses and frisbee jumps!
  • Grimmerick
    Grimmerick Posts: 3,342 Member
    depends on the dog I suppose, show dogs probably rake in quite a bit of money and therefore paying that much for their upkeep might be what it takes. I am also of the mind that some people just have that kind of money so $5000 to us might be like $100 bucks to them. It's relative to your finances. I have a hard time believing anyone would pay that much a month if they weren't deep in the pockets. But whatever their money their perogative even if it is a wasteful one and the dog could care less. I spent $5000 on my dog, but that was for surgery so he wouldn't be paralyzed at 5 years old, do some people consider that a waste of money? Yes, do I give a crap what they think, hell no, my money I earned it I will spend it the way I like, when I come begging at their door for money then they can have an opinion that they expect me to listen to. Different strokes for different folks and as weird as people priorites are they are their's to shuffle around as they wish.

    Also keep in mind, for show dogs this isn't just someone blowing money to show off their dog, for a lot of them, it is their hobby/career/drive/passion there is much more involved than just prancing a dog around even though it appears that way to the general public and some can make a very good living that way.

    What I consider a waste of money, Check out Toddlers and Tiaras
  • the ironic thing is that i've quite often heard the exact same argument made against bodybuilding:

    "Why are they spending so much money on gym memberships/home gym equipment??? They aren't rich, they should be spending that money on paying their bills! SELFISH!"

    "Why are they spending so much money on personal trainers??? All weight lifting is, is 'pick up weight, put weight down, rinse and repeat'! Who can't figure that out on their own and for free? STUPID!"

    "Why do they spend so much time working out??? They should be spending all that precious time with their kids! WASTEFUL!"

    "Why waste all that time in order to try to look a certain way??? We're all gonna get old and wrinkly! And health? Please, we're all gonna die, too! And all to look a certain way! VAIN!"

    kinda funny how judgy some people are for different things, and yet it's all pretty much for the same basic reasons.

    also, most show dog owners hire handlers to show the dogs. the people you see in dog shows actually showing the dogs are probably handlers, not owners. now as to why these handlers don't meet your own personal standards of physical fitness or attractiveness is another story. i suggest you ask them yourself.