Females trying to lose weight...READ THIS
dare2love81
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No seriously....READ THIS:
http://sophieologie.me/2013/09/26/1200-calories/
Here's just a snippet:
http://sophieologie.me/2013/09/26/1200-calories/
Here's just a snippet:
I don’t know why “1200″ managed to be the magic number of calories women should consume if they want to lose weight.
I don’t even know how I know of this number. Only that I know it, and my friends know it, and my mom knows it. Somehow, somewhere along the road, I was taught that if I want to have a flat stomach and tight tushy, I need to limit my calories to 1200 a day and do cardio. I don’t know how it got in to all of our collective brains, but somehow it did (if any ladies remember how or when they first heard the 1200-calorie rule-of-thumb for losing weight, please let me know via comment box).
What I do know is that 1200 is the general number of calories health professionals say women cannot drop below without suffering negative health consequences.
Interesting, isn’t it? 1200 calories. The line between health and what they call “starvation mode”. 1200 calories. The dangerous tightrope that many women are trying to walk, because they think this is how thinness is achieved.
“Starvation mode”
means your body realizes it is not getting enough food – calories-, thinks that you are starving, and slows down your metabolism to a crawl to conserve energy. Because it thinks you are starving, when you do feed yourself, your body will try to store more of your calories as fat, because those are your long-term energy deposits.
A long term calorie deficit can mess with your blood sugar levels, reduce bone mass, cause weakness, fatigue, cold intolerance, irregular menstrual periods, dizziness, constipation and swelling of the hands and feet (source). If a woman decides to get thin by maintaining a steep calorie deficit (1200 calories is very steep) and pairs it with long sessions of steady-state cardio, it results it thyroid issues. “Too little T3 (hypothyroidism), and the body accumulates body fat with ease, almost regardless of physical activity level. Women inadvertently put themselves into a hypothyroid condition when they perform so much steady-state cardio” (source).
Women: If you are trying to go about your business during the day, on only 1200 calories, and perform cardio to burn those dreaded calories, you really are not going to succeed. You will most likely pass out.
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That was awesome! Thanks for sharing! Now, if only I could heed her advice...0
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I wish I had known this years ago...would've saved me loads of wasted time at the gym, not to mention countless hours of being hungry when I didn't need to be. If I dropped my calories to 1,200 nowadays, I'd end up chewing off an arm!0
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Great read!! Thanks for sharing it. I will never forget that "soda pop is the devils piss" lol0
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This needs a bump0
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I have eaten 1200 calories for the past year, and I have done cardio four days a week for the past six months.
I dunno, I think it's working for me.0 -
I have eaten 1200 calories for the past year, and I have done cardio four days a week for the past six months.
I dunno, I think it's working for me.
Wow really...?? Cause I just took a quick random peek at your Diary and went as far back as June last year and I saw quite a few entries that was way over 1200 calories..... even a few way over 2000 cals.... so yeah, thats weird. Just sayin.0 -
I completely agree. Unless you are short, inactive, very overweight, and at LEAST 35, I do not think that 1200 is a suitable number. I think many women are using calculations that are wrong for them. And personally, I think those that are doing "just fine" on 1200 calories a day have sloppy logging habits, underestimate portions or overestimate exercise. Which I guess is okay, just imprecise.0
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I love this!!! "applauds" :drinker: :drinker: :drinker: Ladies, don't just read the snippet, read the WHOLE article, 'cuz it rocks!!!! When you're done, go lift something heavy! Lol. Honestly, since I've started lifting, I have made amazing improvements in my body. It has taken some time, other than the nube gains, but it's been totally worth it!!! Don't know where to start? Try the book New Rules of Lifting for Women.
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Counting calories is hard - does it really work for people? And 1200/day for extended time with a30-40 minuteccardio workout seems like burnout central0
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VANESSA HUDGENS MY IDOL
But yep great article!0 -
i hate that they generalize calories for everyone. there are so many more factors that effect calorie intake. like for someone like me, 1200 calories is more than enough because i'm short and generally inactive.0
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the full article is great. but i don't know MFP sets my daily calorie goal for 1200. and now i'm confuse! lol0
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I think it's subjective - I've realised (by calorie counting out of pure curiousity) that quite often if I completely cut out snacking and just eat three meals a day my calorie intake does end up around or below 1200 calories...0
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the full article is great. but i don't know MFP sets my daily calorie goal for 1200. and now i'm confuse! lol
Hi there,
Depending on how much you need to lose (and you dont need to lose much) you set your weight loss goal at 0.5lb per week and you eat back at least 70% of your workout calories...then you wont have just 1200 given by MFP.
Good luck!! :flowerforyou:0 -
BUMP.
THIS IS EXCELLENT.0 -
And personally, I think those that are doing "just fine" on 1200 calories a day have sloppy logging habits, underestimate portions or overestimate exercise.
Guess my food scale was lying to me for the first year of my diet, then. Or Tesco was lying to me with the calories on the things I was eating. And I certainly wasn't overestimating exercise - for a lot of it I wasn't doing any exercise!
I'm currently on 1300 a day as I'm so close to my goal, and that's still working fine for me. My TDEE is only 1500, so both 1200 and 1300 are hardly huge, unmanageable deficits! And when MFP recommends 1200 it does that with the assumption you eat back your exercise calories. I know the article isn't talking specifically about MFP, but still.0 -
That's an awesome article! Thanks for sharing :flowerforyou:0
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Great article! I'm trying to cut again after having my third and last child. I initially put my calories low and all it did was make me want to give up. I knew better because even when I was at my "goal weight" before having the baby I wasn't happy because I didn't have the muscle definition I wanted. This was a great reminder for me to focus on strength and less on numbers at this point. Thanks!0
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This is a brilliant article, and I completely agree on the way she describes womens weight loss advertisements. Women are lead to believe that health is just about being slim and limiting calories - it drives me mad.0
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And personally, I think those that are doing "just fine" on 1200 calories a day have sloppy logging habits, underestimate portions or overestimate exercise.
Guess my food scale was lying to me for the first year of my diet, then. Or Tesco was lying to me with the calories on the things I was eating. And I certainly wasn't overestimating exercise - for a lot of it I wasn't doing any exercise!
I'm currently on 1300 a day as I'm so close to my goal, and that's still working fine for me. My TDEE is only 1500, so both 1200 and 1300 are hardly huge, unmanageable deficits! And when MFP recommends 1200 it does that with the assumption you eat back your exercise calories. I know the article isn't talking specifically about MFP, but still.
I agree that those who say they are on 1200 are typically not really. Even those who say they measure weight everything...quick add calories, counting cookies in stead of weighing them, secret bites, nibbles etc. 1200 calories is not enough food to fuel an adult who actually lives a life and by that I mean just living...going to work, chatting with friends even if you just play video games...it's not enough
As for the TDEE of 1500, i check scooby and at 90lbs, sedendary and 5ft TDEE is still above 1500 it's almost 1600...you would have to be about 4ft 6 and 80lbs to have a TDEE of 1515. my sister who is a tiny woman (5ft 3 and wears a size 2) has a TDEE of 2300...friggen higher than mine...tell me she will be fine on 1200...
And I check your diary there are a lot of days you don't just eat 1300 but more and there are a lot of entries without scale weight that are pretty consistent day after day.0 -
Honestly one of the best and most transparent articles I've read. Wish I'd seen it years ago.
I will say though that this isn't necessarily the case for women (and men) who simply want to trim down, not 'tone'. I lost 2 stone by simply running and eating better (I didnt track calories). However now that I am down to a much healthier weight, now is the time where strength training is a must.
I think one of the main problems with the "1200 calorie" diet is MFP - that's where I first came across it. I simply inputted my information and goal to lose 1.5-2lbs a week and MFP automatically set to 1200 calories. I know it will automatically do that to ensure I don't eat less than that, as less than 1200 calories is considered unhealthy. But for women who want to lose weight quickly, MFP tells them to eat 1200 calories. I think MFP needs to take more responsibility in educating users on what their weight loss goals should be. e.g. weight loss of <20lbs = 0.5lb loss goal per week, weight loss of 30-40+lbs = 2lb loss goal per week, etc, as well as warn people if their weight loss goals per week are not healthy based on CW and GW. The only warnings they give are when you eat less than 1200 calories and they warn you you're not eating enough. Ironically, if you do eat over your 1200 calorie goal you're in the 'red'. Can't win!0 -
And personally, I think those that are doing "just fine" on 1200 calories a day have sloppy logging habits, underestimate portions or overestimate exercise.
Guess my food scale was lying to me for the first year of my diet, then. Or Tesco was lying to me with the calories on the things I was eating. And I certainly wasn't overestimating exercise - for a lot of it I wasn't doing any exercise!
I'm currently on 1300 a day as I'm so close to my goal, and that's still working fine for me. My TDEE is only 1500, so both 1200 and 1300 are hardly huge, unmanageable deficits! And when MFP recommends 1200 it does that with the assumption you eat back your exercise calories. I know the article isn't talking specifically about MFP, but still.
I agree that those who say they are on 1200 are typically not really. Even those who say they measure weight everything...quick add calories, counting cookies in stead of weighing them, secret bites, nibbles etc. 1200 calories is not enough food to fuel an adult who actually lives a life and by that I mean just living...going to work, chatting with friends even if you just play video games...it's not enough
As for the TDEE of 1500, i check scooby and at 90lbs, sedendary and 5ft TDEE is still above 1500 it's almost 1600...you would have to be about 4ft 6 and 80lbs to have a TDEE of 1515. my sister who is a tiny woman (5ft 3 and wears a size 2) has a TDEE of 2300...friggen higher than mine...tell me she will be fine on 1200...
And I check your diary there are a lot of days you don't just eat 1300 but more and there are a lot of entries without scale weight that are pretty consistent day after day.
Most TDEE calculators I've used usually give me between 1500 and 1600, depending on the formula they use. Here http://iifym.com/tdee-calculator/ the first one gives me 1500, the second 1600. Entering in 5ft, sedentary, 90lbs and 23 years old to Scooby gives me 1456 as a TDEE, how on Earth did you get over 1500?? Did I enter something wrong? My stats are 5'4, 114lbs, 23 years old, sedentary and Scooby gives me 1600.
Which entries are there without scale weight? The only things I don't weigh every time are apples. I weigh the first one from a packet, then use that weight for the rest of the packet. They're all the same size. I used to weigh every single one, but all the ones from the same packet were never more than a gram or so different, so I stopped bothering and just weigh the first from each packet.
Admittedly yesterday and last weekend weren't great, but check the days before last weekend. Every day I was between 1200 and 1300 calories, or within what my Fitbit gave me if I was over 1300. Any day that I went significantly over I made up for it either the day before or after.0 -
Excellent article!0
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And personally, I think those that are doing "just fine" on 1200 calories a day have sloppy logging habits, underestimate portions or overestimate exercise.
Guess my food scale was lying to me for the first year of my diet, then. Or Tesco was lying to me with the calories on the things I was eating. And I certainly wasn't overestimating exercise - for a lot of it I wasn't doing any exercise!
I'm currently on 1300 a day as I'm so close to my goal, and that's still working fine for me. My TDEE is only 1500, so both 1200 and 1300 are hardly huge, unmanageable deficits! And when MFP recommends 1200 it does that with the assumption you eat back your exercise calories. I know the article isn't talking specifically about MFP, but still.
I agree that those who say they are on 1200 are typically not really. Even those who say they measure weight everything...quick add calories, counting cookies in stead of weighing them, secret bites, nibbles etc. 1200 calories is not enough food to fuel an adult who actually lives a life and by that I mean just living...going to work, chatting with friends even if you just play video games...it's not enough
As for the TDEE of 1500, i check scooby and at 90lbs, sedendary and 5ft TDEE is still above 1500 it's almost 1600...you would have to be about 4ft 6 and 80lbs to have a TDEE of 1515. my sister who is a tiny woman (5ft 3 and wears a size 2) has a TDEE of 2300...friggen higher than mine...tell me she will be fine on 1200...
And I check your diary there are a lot of days you don't just eat 1300 but more and there are a lot of entries without scale weight that are pretty consistent day after day.
Most TDEE calculators I've used usually give me between 1500 and 1600, depending on the formula they use. Here http://iifym.com/tdee-calculator/ the first one gives me 1500, the second 1600. Entering in 5ft, sedentary, 90lbs and 23 years old to Scooby gives me 1456 as a TDEE, how on Earth did you get over 1500?? Did I enter something wrong? My stats are 5'4, 114lbs, 23 years old, sedentary and Scooby gives me 1600.
Which entries are there without scale weight? The only things I don't weigh every time are apples. I weigh the first one from a packet, then use that weight for the rest of the packet. They're all the same size. I used to weigh every single one, but all the ones from the same packet were never more than a gram or so different, so I stopped bothering and just weigh the first from each packet.
Admittedly yesterday and last weekend weren't great, but check the days before last weekend. Every day I was between 1200 and 1300 calories, or within what my Fitbit gave me if I was over 1300. Any day that I went significantly over I made up for it either the day before or after.
I see things from resturants i assume like cheese plates...most things are weighed but not all.
But to be honest about the nutrition lables on prepackaged food are allowed a 10-20% margin of error...so if it says 200 calories it could be as much as 240...stupid government regulations and lack of attention to detail from manufacturers.:noway: :grumble:
The TDEE cals is the age...I put in 19 I believe can't remember
But that being said I have read lots from you and you don't like exercise which is understandable and I have checked your diary previously and your weight loss is great and I know you aren't one who wants that "hard body" you are quite content where you are and it think that is great, don't get me wrong I am not judging you for not wanting that "hard body" look not all women do.
But still eating so little when you are so close to goal...5 or 10% off TDEE is sufficent. You are currently at about 15-20%. Me too and I am trying to slowly up them so I am not losing 1lb a week....even though I may change my goal again....:bigsmile:
I think tho that a lot of women who do come here to lose weight try the 1200 to lose it as fast as they can and soon realize, because of all the posts on weight lifting from other women, realize it's not about the scale it is about how they feel when they look in the mirror...I am one of those woman. I think we all need to understand low calorie diets have their place (not vlcd), and it is incumbent on people here who know the difference between what a 1200 calorie diet vs 1600 calorie diet does to offer sound advice...perhaps prefeacing it with I am happy with my body with the way it looks and just want a few more lbs gone and I don't care if I have a six pack...so because I am not big on exercise I have to build my deficet just within calories...0 -
And personally, I think those that are doing "just fine" on 1200 calories a day have sloppy logging habits, underestimate portions or overestimate exercise.
Guess my food scale was lying to me for the first year of my diet, then. Or Tesco was lying to me with the calories on the things I was eating. And I certainly wasn't overestimating exercise - for a lot of it I wasn't doing any exercise!
I'm currently on 1300 a day as I'm so close to my goal, and that's still working fine for me. My TDEE is only 1500, so both 1200 and 1300 are hardly huge, unmanageable deficits! And when MFP recommends 1200 it does that with the assumption you eat back your exercise calories. I know the article isn't talking specifically about MFP, but still.
I agree that those who say they are on 1200 are typically not really. Even those who say they measure weight everything...quick add calories, counting cookies in stead of weighing them, secret bites, nibbles etc. 1200 calories is not enough food to fuel an adult who actually lives a life and by that I mean just living...going to work, chatting with friends even if you just play video games...it's not enough
As for the TDEE of 1500, i check scooby and at 90lbs, sedendary and 5ft TDEE is still above 1500 it's almost 1600...you would have to be about 4ft 6 and 80lbs to have a TDEE of 1515. my sister who is a tiny woman (5ft 3 and wears a size 2) has a TDEE of 2300...friggen higher than mine...tell me she will be fine on 1200...
And I check your diary there are a lot of days you don't just eat 1300 but more and there are a lot of entries without scale weight that are pretty consistent day after day.
Most TDEE calculators I've used usually give me between 1500 and 1600, depending on the formula they use. Here http://iifym.com/tdee-calculator/ the first one gives me 1500, the second 1600. Entering in 5ft, sedentary, 90lbs and 23 years old to Scooby gives me 1456 as a TDEE, how on Earth did you get over 1500?? Did I enter something wrong? My stats are 5'4, 114lbs, 23 years old, sedentary and Scooby gives me 1600.
Which entries are there without scale weight? The only things I don't weigh every time are apples. I weigh the first one from a packet, then use that weight for the rest of the packet. They're all the same size. I used to weigh every single one, but all the ones from the same packet were never more than a gram or so different, so I stopped bothering and just weigh the first from each packet.
Admittedly yesterday and last weekend weren't great, but check the days before last weekend. Every day I was between 1200 and 1300 calories, or within what my Fitbit gave me if I was over 1300. Any day that I went significantly over I made up for it either the day before or after.
I see things from resturants i assume like cheese plates...most things are weighed but not all.
But to be honest about the nutrition lables on prepackaged food are allowed a 10-20% margin of error...so if it says 200 calories it could be as much as 240...stupid government regulations and lack of attention to detail from manufacturers.:noway: :grumble:
The TDEE cals is the age...I put in 19 I believe can't remember
But that being said I have read lots from you and you don't like exercise which is understandable and I have checked your diary previously and your weight loss is great and I know you aren't one who wants that "hard body" you are quite content where you are and it think that is great, don't get me wrong I am not judging you for not wanting that "hard body" look not all women do.
But still eating so little when you are so close to goal...5 or 10% off TDEE is sufficent. You are currently at about 15-20%. Me too and I am trying to slowly up them so I am not losing 1lb a week....even though I may change my goal again....:bigsmile:
I think tho that a lot of women who do come here to lose weight try the 1200 to lose it as fast as they can and soon realize, because of all the posts on weight lifting from other women, realize it's not about the scale it is about how they feel when they look in the mirror...I am one of those woman. I think we all need to understand low calorie diets have their place (not vlcd), and it is incumbent on people here who know the difference between what a 1200 calorie diet vs 1600 calorie diet does to offer sound advice...perhaps prefeacing it with I am happy with my body with the way it looks and just want a few more lbs gone and I don't care if I have a six pack...so because I am not big on exercise I have to build my deficet just within calories...
Cheese plates? Don't know where you got that haha. I don't go to restaurants very much, poor student and all that! The only time I go out a lot is to the pub, where I always have a jacket potato as it's one of the few meals they publish their calories for. I know the calories for the pub meals aren't going to be 100% correct but it's the best I can do.
Even at 19, sedentary, 5', 90lbs it's still giving me 1479 for TDEE. I would personally believe that my TDEE is likely to be closer to 1500 since I think I have quite a high body fat %. Something I will work on in the future if I have to, but right now I just want to stick to the diet.
Yeah, I write quite a lot about how I don't like exercise haha. I just know a lot of people who get really put off dieting because they think they have to do loads of exercise, and I want to do everything I can to stop anyone on here getting put off for the same reasons.
Maybe I should eat more, but the reason I eat this little is so that I can have weekends like last weekend where I forget the diet and eat whatever I want, so that I can enjoy going to a Chinese buffet like I did last night and know that it probably won't have all that much of a negative effect. Also, as you say, to make up for calories being wrong on packaged foods and at the pub and such. And I find it so easy to stick to this many calories I figured I might as well do it so that I know it won't be too bad if I go over, whether it be intentionally or without realising. All of calorie counting is just an estimate, anyway.
I do essentially agree with the article that 1200 cals isn't enough for a lot of people, especially if they're exercising too! I just wanted to say that it does work for some of us, and that I have been counting my calories about as accurately as it is possible for someone to count calories (most days, at least. I'm not going to bring my scales to a restaurant :P).0 -
And personally, I think those that are doing "just fine" on 1200 calories a day have sloppy logging habits, underestimate portions or overestimate exercise.
Guess my food scale was lying to me for the first year of my diet, then. Or Tesco was lying to me with the calories on the things I was eating. And I certainly wasn't overestimating exercise - for a lot of it I wasn't doing any exercise!
I'm currently on 1300 a day as I'm so close to my goal, and that's still working fine for me. My TDEE is only 1500, so both 1200 and 1300 are hardly huge, unmanageable deficits! And when MFP recommends 1200 it does that with the assumption you eat back your exercise calories. I know the article isn't talking specifically about MFP, but still.
I agree that those who say they are on 1200 are typically not really. Even those who say they measure weight everything...quick add calories, counting cookies in stead of weighing them, secret bites, nibbles etc. 1200 calories is not enough food to fuel an adult who actually lives a life and by that I mean just living...going to work, chatting with friends even if you just play video games...it's not enough
As for the TDEE of 1500, i check scooby and at 90lbs, sedendary and 5ft TDEE is still above 1500 it's almost 1600...you would have to be about 4ft 6 and 80lbs to have a TDEE of 1515. my sister who is a tiny woman (5ft 3 and wears a size 2) has a TDEE of 2300...friggen higher than mine...tell me she will be fine on 1200...
And I check your diary there are a lot of days you don't just eat 1300 but more and there are a lot of entries without scale weight that are pretty consistent day after day.
Which entries are there without scale weight? The only things I don't weigh every time are apples. I weigh the first one from a packet, then use that weight for the rest of the packet. They're all the same size. I used to weigh every single one, but all the ones from the same packet were never more than a gram or so different, so I stopped bothering and just weigh the first from each packet.
I have to beg to differ here. Looking at your diary very briefly you have a lot of food from Tesco, which is where I assume you buy your braeburns from?? I do too - I weigh my apples everyday and they vary from around 105-140g each time, even though they are from the same packet. I know we are only talking about 30 or so calories, but on a calorie restricted diet, over or under-estimating the weight of something is a recipe for disaster. I admit I never used to weigh fruit or veg - but I've learned you must weigh everything if you're really serious about accurately (as much as possible) monitoring calorie intake. It takes longer every time you want to eat something but it's worth it in the long run. Whatever you're doing seems to be working for you though as you're losing weight - it gets harder the closer you get to your target weight.0 -
I have to beg to differ here. Looking at your diary very briefly you have a lot of food from Tesco, which is where I assume you buy your braeburns from?? I do too - I weigh my apples everyday and they vary from around 105-140g each time, even though they are from the same packet. I know we are only talking about 30 or so calories, but on a calorie restricted diet, over or under-estimating the weight of something is a recipe for disaster. I admit I never used to weigh fruit or veg - but I've learned you must weigh everything if you're really serious about accurately (as much as possible) monitoring calorie intake. It takes longer every time you want to eat something but it's worth it in the long run. Whatever you're doing seems to be working for you though as you're losing weight - it gets harder the closer you get to your target weight.
Oh wow really? Maybe I just got very samey packets before haha. I'll try weighing them again.0 -
thanks for sharing this great article! it led me to some nice weightlifting links too
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I have to beg to differ here. Looking at your diary very briefly you have a lot of food from Tesco, which is where I assume you buy your braeburns from?? I do too - I weigh my apples everyday and they vary from around 105-140g each time, even though they are from the same packet. I know we are only talking about 30 or so calories, but on a calorie restricted diet, over or under-estimating the weight of something is a recipe for disaster. I admit I never used to weigh fruit or veg - but I've learned you must weigh everything if you're really serious about accurately (as much as possible) monitoring calorie intake. It takes longer every time you want to eat something but it's worth it in the long run. Whatever you're doing seems to be working for you though as you're losing weight - it gets harder the closer you get to your target weight.
Oh wow really? Maybe I just got very samey packets before haha. I'll try weighing them again.
Surprising isn't it!! My apple yesterday was about 110g. Today I weighed another one, which looked smaller than yesterdays...turned out to be 140g! The eyes are deceiving!! haha0 -
That post was amazing and I want to put it in every woman's face because it needs to be preached!
Just yesterday, a friend decided to sign up for some pure barre classes. Which is awesome! A great workout. But the website's description made me RAGE:
"In just 55 minutes you will achieve a full-body workout concentrating on the areas women struggle with the most: hips, thighs, seat, abdominals and arms. The Pure Barre technique is low-impact, protecting your joints by avoiding any bouncing or jumping. Each strength section of the workout is followed by a stretching section in order to create long, lean muscles without bulk. The technique works to defy gravity by tapering everything in and lifting it up!
The concentration involved while taking Pure Barre allows you to block "life" out for the hour, creating the mental benefits similarly obtained by the practice of yoga or meditation. A transformed body and a clear head in just one hour—it doesn't get much better than this."0
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