MILK IS BAD FOR ME?! HA! well....(MUST READ*)

What I gathered from grazing over the article was that it was mostly about additives and hormones in milk. It's the same in all processed foods, everything these days is pumped with hormones and additives. Even the meats people eat these days are pumped with hormones.

In Canada our milk is clean of any hormones, just milk, whether it be 1%, 2%, et cetera no hormones are added so I feel very comfortable drinking it here.

I don't know why people are arguing if they believe in evolution in a thread about milk.

(personally i think evolution is more believable than some random "body" pointing at the universe and saying "let there be light" - Big Bang Theory FTW (for the win))

I'm assuming evolution was brought into topic seeing as to how it was mentioned and argued during the latter half of the article...


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As for the original post, I do not mean to spark debate at all...but I disagree (with this doctor, at least). I read the entire article (I'm a nerd, right? Definitely) and there are a few things I don't particularly like.

As was mentioned earlier, the article is over 18 years old. Surely more research has been completed on the subject since that time, although I'm guessing it may only serve as further proof that milk may not be the healthiest beverage of choice, especially with new advances in technology and society's obsession with "eating healthier", though most "healthy" options are just loaded with artificial sweeteners and preservatives.

I noticed several times the author would use examples such as "a group of students" or "some professionals" to back his evidence. He used several specific research examples, yes, but I feel as if most of it was biased. Sure, a small research group may have found evidence that milk may be linked to lung cancer, but it is also possible for a separate research group to find a link between lung cancer and wrapping paper (random example). Scenarios like that are common in many research groups.

HOWEVER, the author did provide examples that would cause me to think twice about drinking cow's milk- thus I'm sure he succeeded in his original point.

neelia, I completely agree with you on his wording what I read seemed sketchy at best so I didn't bother completing it.

I felt that if he was going to put so much effort into a lengthy article, it should have included irrefutable evidence.

don't let this stop you from posting!!!! I was serious when I said this was the first negative posting I've seen on here!!! I assure you everyone here is really positive and encouraging. It's the holidays- we're all in misery lol

lol thanks. I'm am SO not controversial haha so when this started a debate I'm like oh dang it.

In terms of outcry this reminds me of when I made the mistake of saying that my boyfriend and I do not own or watch television. You'd think I'd just stated that I enjoyed burning down orphanages or something.....though....sometimes it's enriching to hear things from someone else's perspective as long as it is not snarky.

Ugh, so many different things to touch on ...

Firstly, I'm lactose intolerant. I don't consume milk or dairy, for the most part. I use rice milk in cereal and I'll use cow's milk to make mashed potatoes, but only because I think rice milk would make them taste weird ... I guess it's probably not a noticeable difference. However, I love pizza, tacos and nachos, so there are times when I consume a bit of cheese, but I don't really eat any of those things very frequently.

Okay, and while I love evolution, and I've heard that westerners are supposed to be able to consume milk with no problem, I'm of the opinion that it still doesn't digest properly outside of infancy, and that even then it should be human breast milk. But whatever, I think milk is gross, if you love it, that's great, but at least avoid the stuff with the bad additives.

However, I will not agree (or agree to disagree on the idea) that rBST is okay for humans to have in their system. It's not even good for cows, how could it possibly be good for us to consume milk that's gathered from cows injected with it? Seriously, I'm not going to list the disgusting effects of growth hormone and what then infects, if I recall correctly, 90% of all the milk in the US (quick searches will show them). I really believe that a company who was a main manufacturer of Agent Orange should have nothing to do with agriculture in any way. (And I guess I'll just avoid the topic of terminator seeds and the other brilliant ways this company has come up with to kill small farms and make it so that all food is processed with things that are all the more likely to cause cancers and whose growing processes—along with the other factory farms—cause food to be tainted with bacteria such as E. coli.)

Oh, and ants only "milk" honeydew off of aphids, not actual milk. So it's not exactly the same, though since they're getting something off of them that provides the ants sustenance ... eh, I could go either way on that one.

Now, the other thing I wanted to mention is that the very best thing the internet can provide is intelligent discourse. Not all discourse is intelligent, but to be able to discuss ideas is a great thing, and in an environment where depravity is most common, we should be thankful that we can have a discussion where people may read this and learn something from it, even if it's not what we want them to take out of it. I think that if you post something online making any claim of any sort, you should not only expect, but perhaps even welcome others' opinions if they disagree with you. And if someone posts something that you find to be abhorrently untrue, you practically have an obligation to reply and say as much so that people who don't know any better don't fall into the trap of thinking it's true just because someone read it and provided a link. If nothing else, people should be able to provide opposing arguments—albeit in a polite manner, otherwise it doesn't really lead to intelligent discourse, just angry statements.

I once read a thread on here where someone tried to tell everyone that if they drank cold water with their meals they were going to develop cancer because it would slow the food down in your body. Now, that doesn't sound entirely implausible, but if you're eating foods that aren't full of chemicals and stuff, you should be okay, and trying to keep people from drinking water is horrible. Most everyone disagreed with that person, as they should have, in my opinion.

Also, Ash, you did ask for anyone who read it to provide their thoughts, so you're asking for opinions that don't necessarily line up with yours. I'm also not sure that MariSama44 was trying to criticize you, just disagree. Don't get me wrong, I'm on your side in all of this, but I think she was just trying to provide another side to it.

Jolean, I think that you were stoking the fire a little more than you should have, perhaps taking the comments out of context and basically negating the OP's directive to reply with thoughts on the topic, essentially saying, from my 3rd party perspective, that no one should disagree with others out of fear of hurting their feelings.

This is the internet. You're voicing your opinions where a bunch of people can read them, disagree with them and call you an idiot. Your feelings will be hurt at some point or another. Get over it, we're all (or most of us are, anyway, at least legally) adults.

I have to say, I did not see any of the debates / counter arguments as being snarky or argumentative (you know, outside of a friendly debate argument) until the "anti-milkers" (for lack of a better word) jumped on people for disagreeing with them. The great thing about any topic is having two sides to it and not just taking things for what they are or seem. I don't think that just saying "yes I agree" or "I still drink milk" are the only appropriate responses to this topic. The orig poster posted this and said "I don't drink milk BECAUSE..." and those who replied said "I drink milk BECAUSE...". I didn't see a single person say "you're an idiot for believing that and not drinking milk" so where does the accusation of personal attacks fall into place? Stating a counter argument is not a personal attack by any means.

And as a side note, people who don't believe in evolution, per se, can still believe in adaptation. How do they explain different skin colors, body builds, and hair texture of different races, etc? If you believe in Adam and Eve starting the world's population, then all the ancestors must have adapted to their environment in some way to have a rainbow population now. I doubt that a black woman (given the theory Adam / Eve originated in Africa) suddenly gave birth to a Chinese baby... so why can' people adapt, or god forbid use the word evolve, to drink milk, eat meat, eat other foods, etc.

PS, second side note, as I originally stated, I think the article focused more on the ill effects of hormones etc in milk and not milk itself. Even the lung cancer citing referred in comparison to those who ate lower fat diets, not just those who did not drink milk. The author also used phrases along the line of (I can't remember exactly I read it yesterday), "I think" and "in my opinion" which, if this is a scientific paper don't really belong.

Ugh, so many different things to touch on ...

Firstly, I'm lactose intolerant. I don't consume milk or dairy, for the most part. I use rice milk in cereal and I'll use cow's milk to make mashed potatoes, but only because I think rice milk would make them taste weird ... I guess it's probably not a noticeable difference. However, I love pizza, tacos and nachos, so there are times when I consume a bit of cheese, but I don't really eat any of those things very frequently.

Okay, and while I love evolution, and I've heard that westerners are supposed to be able to consume milk with no problem, I'm of the opinion that it still doesn't digest properly outside of infancy, and that even then it should be human breast milk. But whatever, I think milk is gross, if you love it, that's great, but at least avoid the stuff with the bad additives.

However, I will not agree (or agree to disagree on the idea) that rBST is okay for humans to have in their system. It's not even good for cows, how could it possibly be good for us to consume milk that's gathered from cows injected with it? Seriously, I'm not going to list the disgusting effects of growth hormone and what then infects, if I recall correctly, 90% of all the milk in the US (quick searches will show them). I really believe that a company who was a main manufacturer of Agent Orange should have nothing to do with agriculture in any way. (And I guess I'll just avoid the topic of terminator seeds and the other brilliant ways this company has come up with to kill small farms and make it so that all food is processed with things that are all the more likely to cause cancers and whose growing processes—along with the other factory farms—cause food to be tainted with bacteria such as E. coli.)

Oh, and ants only "milk" honeydew off of aphids, not actual milk. So it's not exactly the same, though since they're getting something off of them that provides the ants sustenance ... eh, I could go either way on that one.

Now, the other thing I wanted to mention is that the very best thing the internet can provide is intelligent discourse. Not all discourse is intelligent, but to be able to discuss ideas is a great thing, and in an environment where depravity is most common, we should be thankful that we can have a discussion where people may read this and learn something from it, even if it's not what we want them to take out of it. I think that if you post something online making any claim of any sort, you should not only expect, but perhaps even welcome others' opinions if they disagree with you. And if someone posts something that you find to be abhorrently untrue, you practically have an obligation to reply and say as much so that people who don't know any better don't fall into the trap of thinking it's true just because someone read it and provided a link. If nothing else, people should be able to provide opposing arguments—albeit in a polite manner, otherwise it doesn't really lead to intelligent discourse, just angry statements.

I once read a thread on here where someone tried to tell everyone that if they drank cold water with their meals they were going to develop cancer because it would slow the food down in your body. Now, that doesn't sound entirely implausible, but if you're eating foods that aren't full of chemicals and stuff, you should be okay, and trying to keep people from drinking water is horrible. Most everyone disagreed with that person, as they should have, in my opinion.

Also, Ash, you did ask for anyone who read it to provide their thoughts, so you're asking for opinions that don't necessarily line up with yours. I'm also not sure that MariSama44 was trying to criticize you, just disagree. Don't get me wrong, I'm on your side in all of this, but I think she was just trying to provide another side to it.

Jolean, I think that you were stoking the fire a little more than you should have, perhaps taking the comments out of context and basically negating the OP's directive to reply with thoughts on the topic, essentially saying, from my 3rd party perspective, that no one should disagree with others out of fear of hurting their feelings.

This is the internet. You're voicing your opinions where a bunch of people can read them, disagree with them and call you an idiot. Your feelings will be hurt at some point or another. Get over it, we're all (or most of us are, anyway, at least legally) adults.

Your post goes along with mine.............

For those of you that shop local and buy your foods from local farmers, farmers markets, CSA memberships, etc., I am urging you to sign this petition.

Please go to http://www.ftcldf.org/petitions/pnum1061.php to petition bill S.510, the FDA Food Safety Modernization ActPassed in the Senate, this bill now heads to the House where, if passed, it will affect your ability to obtain locally-produced food. This is the large, industrial food lobby at work.

The lobbying groups are trying to get many regulatory measures in place for the local, small farmer that is providing GOOD food for us that will run local farmers out of business.

The FDA is trying to protect the factory farms for meat, eggs, dairy and produce.

Think of all the recent recalls on vegetables, fruits, eggs, meats. All came from factory farms. You don't hear about these recalls from contamination from local farms.

Many of you want to coin me as some conspiracy theorist - I am not. I see what the government and the Food Lobby in favor of Factory Farms is hard at work doing.

We need to stop this once and for all. All it is doing in the end is making people sick.

Verrrrryyy interesting article!!! thank you so much for sharing. i did read it, and i am very interested to learn more about it.
it is defiantly making me think twice about drinking milk... good thing i like Soy milk anyways

The problem with soy—of course in my own opinion—is that most soy has been genetically modified. Unless the label reads "organic soy," of course (but I've heard even then that it's got the GM taint).

I'm entirely opposed to the genetic modification of any of our foods, so I don't eat soy and I try to eat only organic corn.

Of course, that said, it's really hard to avoid in every form and fashion. You have to be constantly vigilant of where your food is coming from.

I would avoid soy milk, personally.

The problem with soy—of course in my own opinion—is that most soy has been genetically modified. Unless the label reads "organic soy," of course (but I've heard even then that it's got the GM taint).

I'm entirely opposed to the genetic modification of any of our foods, so I don't eat soy and I try to eat only organic corn.

Of course, that said, it's really hard to avoid in every form and fashion. You have to be constantly vigilant of where your food is coming from.

I would avoid soy milk, personally.

Over the past year, I have become super and hyper-vigilant about my food sources.

Meat, eggs, dairy, fruits and veggies are all I eat and come from all LOCAL sources and only get what is in season. Local, sustainable foods from a CSA, local farms and local meat market.