How to get abs for dummies

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  • steve1686
    steve1686 Posts: 346 Member
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    Cardio isn't necessary for everyone, I haven't done any at all over the last year+. Compound lifts are always good but don't neglect direct ab training if you aren't getting the results from the other lifts alone. Train them like any other muscle. Diet is the most important factor by far. if you have a layer of fat covering them, it doesn't matter if you have the best abs in the world
  • arwacky
    arwacky Posts: 1,653
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    drop your body fat.

    Abs aren't all about dropping fat. I've always been in the 6-8% bodyfat range, but have had tiny abs. If you want them you have to build them too.

    I agree...but don't you think it would be best to cut down to sub 12% body fat and then layer some muscle on that ...??/ Just curious...

    For a woman (like OP)? I don't see the need to go that low. No one should force fat loss...we get to the elite levels over time. SLow and steady wins the race.

    Speaking of which...she also wants to know if running moderate distances every other day or so will hurt her goal of improving her abs. I can't answer that, since I'm no longer a runner, and I never ran for distance even when I was. We need people who are both runners and lifters to weigh in...
    Thank you for keeping this on track :flowerforyou:
  • Mrsallypants
    Mrsallypants Posts: 887 Member
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    Cardio isn't necessary for everyone, I haven't done any at all over the last year+. Compound lifts are always good but don't neglect direct ab training if you aren't getting the results from the other lifts alone. Train them like any other muscle. Diet is the most important factor by far. if you have a layer of fat covering them, it doesn't matter if you have the best abs in the world

    Did heavy compounds for months with direct ab work, one day did ab roller with reverse crunches thinking it would be easy. Barely able to do a few reps, and abs so sore the next few days couldn't get up from lying down.

    In theory, would you even need compounds lifts to get abs, why not just do direct ab work to preserve and build the ab muscles? Eat enough protein to preserve the ab muscles, and don't go overboard on your calorie deficit so you don't destroy the ab muscles like people with eating disorders who have very low bf percentages, but also destroyed their muscles.
  • Mrsallypants
    Mrsallypants Posts: 887 Member
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    Nevermind that, over the decades, bodybuilders have gotten into contest shape with (often endless amounts of) cardio, runners, cyclists and swimmers are extremely lean, etc. Somehow, aerobic training has gotten a bad rap.

    it just helps create a larger deficit. that's all.

    It's a good article on cardio. Lyle also recommends cardio in his book "The Stubborn Fat Solution" to burn off stores of stubborn fat.

    Perhaps there is a study floating around where a few groups of people both create the same calorie deficits, but one group does it with cardio (HIIT and steady state group), another with weight training, and the last does it with food restriction. Then measure the bf percentage with DEXA. I don't know how much fat is burned with food restriction compared to burning it off with cardio.
  • Fithealthyforlife
    Fithealthyforlife Posts: 866 Member
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    Ab roller/wheel...yes.

    An MFP friend suggested that to me when I posted a question very similar to the one in this thread, a few months ago. I still haven't looked into it...it looks like it might be cool, but it would probably scuff up the floor so would be a no-go at home without a carpet/pad...but is definitely something to look into.
  • arwacky
    arwacky Posts: 1,653
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    I tried it once at my school gym. Omg!!! So difficult. I'll see if my gym has it and incorporate it into my routine. How many times a week should I aim to do it?
  • nyla2120
    nyla2120 Posts: 370 Member
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    Blahhhh don't tell me more about deadlifts for at least 3 weeks. Hahahaha.

    I'll do more planks then

    ?
    I only started learning the correct way to do deadlifts today and I felt sooooo awkward lol. That is all. Do you know how I can get abs??

    You have to lower your overall body fat as well. When it gets low enough they will show on their own.
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,220 Member
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    Cardio isn't necessary for everyone, I haven't done any at all over the last year+. Compound lifts are always good but don't neglect direct ab training if you aren't getting the results from the other lifts alone. Train them like any other muscle. Diet is the most important factor by far. if you have a layer of fat covering them, it doesn't matter if you have the best abs in the world

    Did heavy compounds for months with direct ab work, one day did ab roller with reverse crunches thinking it would be easy. Barely able to do a few reps, and abs so sore the next few days couldn't get up from lying down.

    In theory, would you even need compounds lifts to get abs, why not just do direct ab work to preserve and build the ab muscles? Eat enough protein to preserve the ab muscles, and don't go overboard on your calorie deficit so you don't destroy the ab muscles like people with eating disorders who have very low bf percentages, but also destroyed their muscles.

    Because the compound lifts are going to preserve the lean mass of all your body which means higher metabolism. I do zero direct ab work and almost no cardio, yet I have abs. The compounds require greater core stabilization than abdominal isolation. Your core is also responsible for power transfer. People think a strong core means strong abs, but your core is your back, diaphragm, pelvic floor and many other muscles.

    By training abdominal muscles alone (no compound lifts) you are missing out on the major function of the core. Compound exercises that resist spinal extension (such as the overhead press, chin-ups, pushups, etc.) lead to large amounts of core development because the abs must be engaged throughout the lift in order to stabilize the spine and effectively transmit force. You also can't load abdominal isolation exercises like you can compound lifts.

    So, if your goal was to JUST to have ab muscles by all means you go ahead and just work abs, but if you want great overall body composition to go along with visible abs make sure you include compound movements.
  • arwacky
    arwacky Posts: 1,653
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    ^^^^ thank youuuuu!!! :flowerforyou:
  • wendypow
    wendypow Posts: 81 Member
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    For me - heavy lifting. Specifically SL 5x5.

    :smile:
  • aarondnguyen
    aarondnguyen Posts: 270 Member
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    Progressive overloading, like you would do to any other muscle group.