CURE FOR DIABETES ????

Some people can halt the progression into diabetes with these changes---if caught very early. However, there are many people out there that are at a good weight, or even under weight when they get diabetes. For them, weight and fat have nothing to do with their diabetes diagnosis. I do live with one of these people and have read, went to classes, seen CDE, and specialists. Sometimes, it just happens to people.

"How Do We Define Cure of Diabetes?"
American Diabetes Association (ADA) Diabetes Care Journal; November 2009; vol 32.

"A consensus group comprised of experts in pediatric and adult endocrinology, diabetes education, transplantation, metabolism, bariatric/metabolic surgery, and (for another perspective) hematology-oncology met in June 2009 to discuss
these issues."

"The group considered a wide variety of questions, including whether it is ever accurate to say that a chronic illness is cured; what the definitions of management, remission, or cure might be; whether goals of managing comorbid conditions revert to those of patients without diabetes if someone is “cured”; and whether screening for diabetes complications needs to continue in the “cured” patient. Since little or no scientific or actuarial evidence exists to inform the group's discussions, consensus was difficult to attain in a number of areas. The opinions and recommendations expressed herein are those of the authors and not the official position of the American Diabetes Association."

"These definitions and consensus recommendations, summarized are based on what the consensus group felt to be reasonable given the therapies of today. The authors hope that this article will engender active discussion in the field."

"As new therapies of curative intent emerge for type 1 and type 2 diabetes and actuarial and scientific evidence regarding prognosis builds, these issues will surely require further deliberation."

For further discussion, along with the full article can be found at the address below.

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/11/2133.full


A fascinating read.

Albeit previously dated by only 5 years it presents a discussion defining the term "cured" by this consensus group of medical experts.

October 2013 Newcastle universities biomedicine research facillity England, published this...

http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm

After the recent news i had i thought i might give it a go, i was told im pre diabetic and can try to keep it at bay by changing my diet and exercising as if i have already got full blown type 2, but that i will no doubt have diabetes type 2 in the near future because of family history, im still producing some insulin but because i gained weight in my waist area the insulin im producing wont be working anyway :P

It makes interesting reading and could change lives of many people, i would like your thoughts on this too though.

I found the Newcastle study very helpful. The study contends that Type 2 is caused by excess fat in liver and pancreas and can be reversed by losing enough visceral fat. I have successfully reversed my diabetes inasmuch as I have been instructed to stop medicating.

I was diagnosed with Type 2 in August 2012 with an hba1c of 10+, and began losing weight using MFP. It took me six months to drop 10% of body weight, by which time my hba1c had improved sufficiently for my GP to give me license to experiment with reducing metformin. I was originally prescribed 2000 mg of metformin daily.

It took me another year to hit 20% of body weight lost. By this time my hba1c had been 4.9 for two tests running (three months apart) and I was only taking a single 500 mg tablet every other day. I was instructed to stop medicating altogether. This week I did my first hba1c following three months without medication. Hoping the results are still good.

thanks for your input, both of you:flowerforyou:

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I have personally cured pre-diabetes symptoms through extreme diet alteration.

not sure if I would call it cured but you can deff put the affects of type 2 into remission I have been type 2 for 5 to 6 years. I have been taken off of meds now from diet and exercise and this is the term my doctor used and says if I continue with the path I am on that there is now strong evidence that the high blood surgar levels will not return but if I stop the path and return to old ways they will most certainly return good luck to the op I wish you all the best it can be prevented

There is no such thing as prediabetets. Its like being a little bit pregnant. --- Your diabetic or your not.

Mmm....many doctors would disagree with you. Are you a doctor?

I am a PWD - person with diabetes, my education comes from living with this 24/7/365 as compared to most MDs who get maybe 2 hours in medical school. For most Docs that means 2 hours of information based on treatment standards and knowledge from 20 or more years ago. For me it meant reaching out to the DOC Diabetic online comunity for information and advice on how to procede when my doc was clueless.
I have had to make my own diagnosis since the ER had it completely wrong, teach my PMD so I was able to get the correct testing and then get in with a good Endo who is up to date with the latest therapy protocols and tech. As it is i have had to lead my endo team to learn about solutions that are used in the pediatric world but not common in adult practice. In short this is my disease and I have had to find out what works for me since each PWD responds differently to meals, carbs, kinds of carbs as well as exercise, medications etc.

I stand by the no such thing as prediabetes - let me explain why I say this - and yes MDs do use the term and so does the American diabetes Association, both to the detriment of those that they are suposed to advocate for or treat.

Prediabetes is defined by the A1C range.
Normal is less than 5.7, prediabetic is 5.7 to less than 6.5, and diabetic is anything equal to or greater than 6.5.

So what exactly is an A1C - it is a test that measures the average serum glucose level for about the last 3 months. it is based on the ability of glucose to permanantly attach to your red bllod cells. These red cells have on average a three month life span before they are destroyed. new cells are constanly being made to replace those that are removed. The higher the serum glucose is at any time the higer permanntly bound glucose and the A1C will be. BUT remember that this is an average.
It does not tell you how high you spike with the meals that you eat. You can be low over night and spike for each meal and not really see how high you go.

If you look at the conversion tables for A1Cs the average Serum BG that coresponds to the prediabetic range is 117 to 140.
Remember that this is the average. An average that high means there is considerable time spent well above the 140 range.

So why is this bad - any time spent above 140 causes permanant damage to nerves, blood vesels and organs. It may be a tiny amount for each minute but it is real and it adds up over time. Persons with normal glucose metabolism rarely go over 110 - 120 so they rarely hit the 140 threshold.

As a "Prediabetic" you are living a portion of you life in the danger zone and causing permant harm before you even get called a diabetic and offered therapy and more importantly before you are made aware that you are harming yourself. When you see your PMD and your numbers are little high what do they tell you? Watch your sugar, be more active, lose a little weigh. There is never any mention of the damage that is being done, There is also no information on how to know how high your BGs go post meals, or how to test you own individual responce to the foods you eat. If you do not have this information then how do you know what you are trying is working? Do they even tell you that all carbs - not just sugar must be restircted to prevent damage? That your pre meal and post meal BG readings should not be more than 40 points different. That some kinds of carbs, or amounts of carbs will be fine for you but others will not and the only way you will find this out is to poke your finger and test? Most of the time you can not get a MD to prescribe a glucose meter and and adequate number of test strips.

Many presons have longstanding ireversable damage to sight, kidney, nerves by the time they final get called diabetic and even then it is a struggle to get adequete informationa on diet, BG testing as well as being almost imposible for many T2s to get adequet numbers of BG test trips without paying out of pocket. Even when you are finally diagnosed there is no real emphisis on getting you numbers into a save level quickly. Many new T2s linger in the 250-300 range for weeks before the perscribed oral meds finally have an effect. Would you want that to be you or a family menber? it is almost a gauranty of a less than favorble long term out come.

I find it sad that here is much more emphesis on treating the side effects via big pharma than giving people the education and tools to prevent the issues in the first place. Have you seen the pharma adds recently? Have you heard about the proposed medicare/medicaid restrictions on test strips for T2s to one strip once a week?

Alot of this has to do with the preception that there is always a poor out come for T2s, and that you will not take care of yourself so why bother treating aggressivly. And its your fault since your a lazy slob so why spend money on you, BUT if patients are provided with accurate information and the tools to *kitten*, modify and treat their disease then it does not need to happen.

Each diabetic is different in how they handle the foods they eat. Most need to restrict their carb intake to about half of the ADA or Registerd Diatician recomended amount for diabetics. I spiked to over 300 when I ate the "Diabetic Diet" given me when I was in hospital at my diagnosis. With the right tools and the right knowledge I have my A1C down to normal levels. Am I cured - NO! Not until they have a therapy that will change my molecular genetic makeup and prevent my abnormal glucose metabolism. Can
I keep the complications at bay? Yes as long as I have/can afford the right tools. If i stop diong what i'm doing right or if my body decides to through me a few more curves than I'm going to have to start over again.

I'm currently blessed with very good health insurance but when I retire I'll be having to deal with Medicare and from what Im hearing these days I'm very much not looking forward to it.

October 2013 Newcastle universities biomedicine research facillity England, published this...

http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm

After the recent news i had i thought i might give it a go, i was told im pre diabetic and can try to keep it at bay by changing my diet and exercising as if i have already got full blown type 2, but that i will no doubt have diabetes type 2 in the near future because of family history, im still producing some insulin but because i gained weight in my waist area the insulin im producing wont be working anyway :P

It makes interesting reading and could change lives of many people, i would like your thoughts on this too though.

I found the Newcastle study very helpful. The study contends that Type 2 is caused by excess fat in liver and pancreas and can be reversed by losing enough visceral fat. I have successfully reversed my diabetes inasmuch as I have been instructed to stop medicating.

I was diagnosed with Type 2 in August 2012 with an hba1c of 10+, and began losing weight using MFP. It took me six months to drop 10% of body weight, by which time my hba1c had improved sufficiently for my GP to give me license to experiment with reducing metformin. I was originally prescribed 2000 mg of metformin daily.

It took me another year to hit 20% of body weight lost. By this time my hba1c had been 4.9 for two tests running (three months apart) and I was only taking a single 500 mg tablet every other day. I was instructed to stop medicating altogether. This week I did my first hba1c following three months without medication. Hoping the results are still good.

thanks for your input, both of you:flowerforyou:

Yippee. My hba1c is 5.0 after 3 months without medication.

2Hobbit,

Thanks for sharing you experience as a diabetic, but you are wrong about there being no pre-diabetes. Millions have been diagnosed with it, specifically several people I know. No offense intended, but just because you are diabetic does not mean you know everything about the disease. It comes across as medical advice, for which you are not qualified to give.