Fruit Myth... Fact or fiction.
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I am actually realizing that maybe I am eating too much fruit. My husband makes a heathy smoothie almost everyday since we got out Vitamix (getting his money's worth). He uses about 1 cup Kale, 1 cup Spinach, 4 pieces of pinapple, 1 apple, 1 cup red seeeded grapes and water and ice. We split this smoothie. Then I may or may not have a nectarine with my greek yogurt later. Maybe later an apple with a tbp of raw almond butter. I am a marathoner (and training for Rock N Roll) but recently started bootcamp (still running around 35-45 miles a week). I am now putting on weight (like 4 pounds). I don't even want to log in on myfitnesspal. I feel like such a failure.0
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Did you hear about that guy who died from eating fruit and vegetables? Nah me either. Probably because fruits and vegetables with a variety of nuts are a flawless diet.
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Flawless eh...I disagree...I can a lot of flaws in it especially for me.....first one being no bacon now there is a flaw.0 -
It's natural so it isn't that bad for you unless you overdue it. A raw fruit and veggie diet is good for you but some people can't handle it. My cousin does that diet and eats 80% veg and 20% fruit each day.0
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I can put this thing to rest. I am eating a raw food diet and I eat lots of fruit everyday. I have type II diabetes and all medical advice says to pretty much stay away from fruit, particularly bananas and a few others. I read an article about fat being a bigger factor in diabetes than was originally thought. If you reduce your fat intake to less than 10%, fruit and whole grains will not cause high blood glucose level (BGL). I decided to try it and if things were worse I could just stop. Within 48 hrs I saw my BGL start to drop. By the end of the first week, every check of my BGL dropped below 140, which is what the medical community says the diabetics should be doing. Within 2-3 weeks my BGL dropped down to 100-110, which doctors get ecstatic about. Now I am at day 38 and the last week my BGL levels have dropped down to 80-85, a few times a little lower and a couple times in the low 90s. The healthiest adults without diabetes has a fasting level (like after a full nights sleep) is 75-80 and 2 hrs after meals is about 80-90. Mine is on the upper end of that level.
I eat anywhere from 4-10 bananas a day. I add in apples, mangos, berries, kiwi, spinach, broccoli, kale, lettuce and dates. I go by an 80/10/10 diet. That's 80% carbs, 10% protein and 10% fat. When I started whole grains were still spiking my BGL. Last night I did a vegetable stir fry with short grain brown rice. I used probably too much olive oil and my fat level jumped to 36% for the day. 2 hours after the meal my BGL was 95. Up a little, but still very good. I won't have that meal often, but I feel comfortable allowing a meal like that every once in a while. The other week it was my son's birthday and I allowed myself to have a small piece of cake and 1 scoop of ice cream. My BGL didn't go up at all.
My view is if you keep you fat consumption low, the fructose in fruits have no ill effect, even when having lots of fruit.
Probably different bodies react differently. I've had the exact opposite experience. Before I started losing weight I was borderline diabetic fasting blood sugar measuring at around 110. After losing a considerable amount of weight I am now borderline normal blood sugar around 85.
For the past couple of weeks I have been upholding the eastern orthodox fast where most of the days are raw vegan no oil allowed. My meals consist of a lot of fruits and raw vegetables and my fasting blood sugar has been gradually climbing (106 today). My usual diet is in no way low carb. I'm guessing it's the stress of things being harder because I tend to relapse during stressful days, but who knows.0 -
Fruits have natural vitamins and minerals and antioxidants that you don't get from eating processed sugar.
I've also heard it said, "Fruit is nature's way of ensuring you get your fiber."
I like fruit, and feel way better when I poop every day. :-)
Fruit =It's a good thing.0 -
Bloom72. Thanks for sharing. It is interesting to hear from someone who follows the 80/10/10 diet.0
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Blending fruit cuts up the fiber into smaller chunks, increasing the rate at which the sugar is absorbed, also making it easier to slip in more calories past your satiety mechanism. It also makes it so the food is less likely to mix with salivary enzymes than masticated food. However, i still think smoothies are the bee's knees, and drastically better then some refined sugar. You still get all the nutrients and fiber, even if it is a slightly chopped up fiber.Theres loads of sugar in fruit if you blend them to make smoothies! Otherwise its just natural sugar which is better for you than normal sugar
Strawberries help the metalobism, but you can just live on fruit and veg on your diet! Jeeesh! It will be called 's.hit yourself slim'
Does the process of making a smoothie magically make the fruit have more sugar? Other than possibly removing the fiber, I don't think blending fruit is going to do anything like that.
And how is natural sugar in fruit (fructose and glucose, for the most part) different from the fructose and glucose in "normal" sugar (by which I guess you mean sucrose (which is made of fructose and glucose) or HFCS (which is also fructose and glucose))?
Right - it isn't changing the sugar at all. It just hits the blood a bit faster, which may or may be what you want.
It doesn't make the sugars in fruit any better or worse than refined sugar. Fructose is fructose whatever the source, and glucose is always glucose. Yes, you get vitamins, fiber etc in fruit, but the question was about the sugar, not the extras.0 -
Because it comes as part of a complete package. Fruit comes with fiber, water, micro-nutrients, anti-oxidants, phyto-chemicals, amino acids.
AND how sugar from fruit is better than sugar from non-natural sources!
AND GO!
Sugar is just one micro-nutrient removed from a plant, and then eaten in concentrations not found in the whole foods we have evolved eating.0 -
So my vegan friend has been trying to convince me that an all raw fruit and veg lifestyle is the way to go but then other people say how the sugar in fruit is sooooo bad for you.
I don't know what to believe. I love fruit but if it is not going to help me lose weight then I need to avoid it right?
Is it the case that people with higher metabolisms process the 'sugars' in fruit and turn them into energy and people with slower metabolisms turn the 'sugars' in fruit into fat?
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Only become a raw vegan if your ethics, lifestyle etc align with that. I've never done it, but I can imagine it is very hard to do. And for no major health benefit. Sure - eating veggies is good, but it has been suggested that we are cookatarians. Learning to cook our food enabled us to extract more energy from it, and fueled our brain growth.
As to fruit: sugar is sugar is sugar. Eat it, log it. It is good for you.
^^this.
You also have to be very careful with food planning to get decent macros and even all necessary micros.0 -
Did you hear about that guy who died from eating fruit and vegetables? Nah me either. Probably because fruits and vegetables with a variety of nuts are a flawless diet.
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1 banana pushes my blood sugar sky high. Not flawless for me ;-)
In fact, I take issue with the whole concept of a "flawless diet". Humans are omnivorous. Any "diet" can be done wrong, and I don't think that any one diet is going to fill the needs and resources of any one population. Flexibility, taste, culture, traditions, availability etc etc all have to be factored in.0 -
Did you hear about that guy who died from eating fruit and vegetables? Nah me either. Probably because fruits and vegetables with a variety of nuts are a flawless diet.
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Flawless? Depends. It is not flawless if you are deficient in a nutrient. Also, 'not dying' isn't that much of a marketing slogan
Actually one dude died from eating only celery (I think it was celery...could have been cucumber).0 -
I eat fruit everyday. It has sugar but it also has vitamins….as long as you fit it into your macros your fine.
If I am not mistaken fruit has fiber as well!0 -
Flawless for a ape maybeProbably because fruits and vegetables with a variety of nuts are a flawless diet.0 -
So my vegan friend has been trying to convince me that an all raw fruit and veg lifestyle is the way to go but then other people say how the sugar in fruit is sooooo bad for you.
I don't know what to believe. I love fruit but if it is not going to help me lose weight then I need to avoid it right?
Is it the case that people with higher metabolisms process the 'sugars' in fruit and turn them into energy and people with slower metabolisms turn the 'sugars' in fruit into fat?
HELP
I can put this thing to rest. I am eating a raw food diet and I eat lots of fruit everyday. I have type II diabetes and all medical advice says to pretty much stay away from fruit, particularly bananas and a few others. I read an article about fat being a bigger factor in diabetes than was originally thought. If you reduce your fat intake to less than 10%, fruit and whole grains will not cause high blood glucose level (BGL). I decided to try it and if things were worse I could just stop. Within 48 hrs I saw my BGL start to drop. By the end of the first week, every check of my BGL dropped below 140, which is what the medical community says the diabetics should be doing. Within 2-3 weeks my BGL dropped down to 100-110, which doctors get ecstatic about. Now I am at day 38 and the last week my BGL levels have dropped down to 80-85, a few times a little lower and a couple times in the low 90s. The healthiest adults without diabetes has a fasting level (like after a full nights sleep) is 75-80 and 2 hrs after meals is about 80-90. Mine is on the upper end of that level.
I eat anywhere from 4-10 bananas a day. I add in apples, mangos, berries, kiwi, spinach, broccoli, kale, lettuce and dates. I go by an 80/10/10 diet. That's 80% carbs, 10% protein and 10% fat. When I started whole grains were still spiking my BGL. Last night I did a vegetable stir fry with short grain brown rice. I used probably too much olive oil and my fat level jumped to 36% for the day. 2 hours after the meal my BGL was 95. Up a little, but still very good. I won't have that meal often, but I feel comfortable allowing a meal like that every once in a while. The other week it was my son's birthday and I allowed myself to have a small piece of cake and 1 scoop of ice cream. My BGL didn't go up at all.
My view is if you keep you fat consumption low, the fructose in fruits have no ill effect, even when having lots of fruit.
I did read one study (which I can't find again) that said diabetes can be controlled with a diet of 75% carbs. I know 1 banana does push my sugar up, but then I'm not at 10% fat...
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As everyone has said...moderation. Just be sure to accurately measure the cals from the fruit. Before i bought a food scale I would log the big *kitten* apples I'd buy from the store at FAR LESS than they actually were (like, 50 cals instead of 120...). The sugar may be natural but it makes fruit naturally higher calorie than veggies.0
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Did you hear about that guy who died from eating fruit and vegetables? Nah me either. Probably because fruits and vegetables with a variety of nuts are a flawless diet.
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sugar from fruit is nothing to worry about unless you are just eating crazy amounts. I eat 2-3 fruits a day (usually a banana and whatever is in season) and plenty of vegetables. Meat, eggs, and cheese can all be very helpful in hitting your protein and fat needs so I would not cut them out of my diet.
As for the metabolism bit, our bodies all handle food the same way (minus people with actual disorders), slower vs faster metabolisms just mean a difference in the amount of energy required to run the body. Just make sure you are eating at a caloric decificit and your body will do what it needs with the food you give it.
This. You need to eat what you enjoy. Healthy baked apples or raw apples. All good. It is the quantity that matters. We all record our food in our diary but it is way more important to move your body and burn the calories we eat. Keep moving.
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I think we'll stop right here .......
Cooking food also diminishes the natural life energy,0 -
Fruits have natural vitamins and minerals and antioxidants that you don't get from eating processed sugar.
I've also heard it said, "Fruit is nature's way of ensuring you get your fiber."
I like fruit, and feel way better when I poop every day. :-)
Fruit =It's a good thing.
so if I take a multi vitamin with my candy bar is it "good" then?0 -
There are pros and cons to both sides:
Cooking food also diminishes the natural life energy, and destroys much of the natural enzymes (your body can also create enzymes, but can only do so much) in your food that are needed to break down nutrients. Eating raw eliminates this problem.
Sorry but from a scientific perspective, this is new-age BS. Your body makes ALL the proper enzymes to digest the food you eat (unless you have a specific defect in production such as lactose intolerance). Fruit, BTW does have sugar, which some say is bad--but it is in the form of fructose, which first must be broken down to monosacarides before it can be metabolized. So in that respect, it takes longer for your body to use the sugar in fruit than it does in table sugar. What is more, fruit is high in fiber, which slows its digestion and keeps you full longer. So fruit is plenty good for you--has lots of vitamins, minerals and antioxidents too--just as veggies do! Pick an assortment of colors for maximum nutrition.0 -
Because it comes as part of a complete package. Fruit comes with fiber, water, micro-nutrients, anti-oxidants, phyto-chemicals, amino acids.
AND how sugar from fruit is better than sugar from non-natural sources!
AND GO!
Sugar is just one micro-nutrient removed from a plant, and then eaten in concentrations not found in the whole foods we have evolved eating.
ehh???? some "natural" fruits have as much sugar as a candy bar...so the concentrations would be the same in some...
I believe one apple has about the same amount of sugar as one Milano cookie...0 -
Theres loads of sugar in fruit if you blend them to make smoothies! Otherwise its just natural sugar which is better for you than normal sugar
Curious how there's more sugar if fruit is blended?0 -
Theres loads of sugar in fruit if you blend them to make smoothies! Otherwise its just natural sugar which is better for you than normal sugar
Curious how there's more sugar if fruit is blended?
the blending process adds up to ten grams of sugar per serving..true story.0 -
These threads always bring out the weirdos....
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Because it comes as part of a complete package. Fruit comes with fiber, water, micro-nutrients, anti-oxidants, phyto-chemicals, amino acids.
AND how sugar from fruit is better than sugar from non-natural sources!
AND GO!
Sugar is just one micro-nutrient removed from a plant, and then eaten in concentrations not found in the whole foods we have evolved eating.
But you didn't explain how the sugar itself is different. You only pointed out the difference between a peice of fruit and a candy bar.0 -
So you want to add isolated micro-nutrients to your isolated macro-nutrient food, and think that it is a complete food? No, it would still be lacking vital phyto-chemicals, anti-oxidants, fiber, water, etc. Still not a complete food.Fruits have natural vitamins and minerals and antioxidants that you don't get from eating processed sugar.
I've also heard it said, "Fruit is nature's way of ensuring you get your fiber."
I like fruit, and feel way better when I poop every day. :-)
Fruit =It's a good thing.
so if I take a multi vitamin with my candy bar is it "good" then?0 -
It's bad only in excess. Moderation in all things. And by the way, cooking food is not a cardinal sin.
This. You should try to limit your ADDED sugar to 36g/day... but you also want to keep an eye on natural sugar as well... because although it is easier for your body to process it can still be turned into fat if you're body isn't using all the sugar it takes in.
I try to keep all sugar intake around 60g/day or less.0 -
Well there is an association with vegetarians and mental illnessThese threads always bring out the weirdos....
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UPDATE: Every person that eats this diet will die. That is all.Did you hear about that guy who died from eating fruit and vegetables? Nah me either. Probably because fruits and vegetables with a variety of nuts are a flawless diet.
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Well there is an association with vegetarians and mental illnessThese threads always bring out the weirdos....
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22676203
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