Low Carb and gout anyone else have this problem

If you're so educated, why does your nutritional info so perfectly resemble meat industry propaganda? I'd question who is educating you.

At least I have more than ad-hominems and propaganda backing me up. I have not only my-own credentials, but science.

I'm still waiting for your dozens of research studies, meta-analyses and articles that show low-carb lifestyles are unhealthy. Where are they?

I'm still waiting for your science. You talk a big game, but you aren't putting anything out there.

I don't have to provide you anything. The studies are out there, and if you continue down your path of nutritional ignorance, it doesn't effect me. I would spend my time linking you to all the data that supports my conclusion, but what would be the point? You have your mind made up, no matter what logic, science and reality say.

I'm also wondering how many grams of protein a day people are saying is way too much?
I think my protein intake isn't over board?

I've never seen you be full of meat industry propaganda either

Excess protein won't harm you except in two instances:

1. if you have pre-existing kidney issues - then excess protein will overwork them.
2. If you have insulin-resistance and/or diabetes - then excess is converted to glucose and could raise serum glucose to unsafe levels.

If I were a meat-propagandist I'd tell people processed meat is fine. And although I do eat some, I don't believe it's as safe as the industry would lead you to believe.

Most of the meat I eat is grass-fed / free-range and as organic as possible. Ditto with eggs - I prefer free-run / free-range. I prefer bacon from my local butcher shoppe - they get some that's from free-range pigs and is naturally cured - it's much-better than pre-packaged, but it's a seasonal thing.

The truth is while natural, whole foods ARE better for us than packaged - there's simply no weight to the argument that meat (except process) is unhealthy. Only the truly ignorant or brainwashed zealots believe otherwise.

Oh, no I am pro low carb and I do it for my pcos and insulin resistance... I'm just saying people always say low carb will shut your kidneys down because you eat too much protein but I'm just wondering how Much the neighsayers consider too much.

What is the recommended grams of protein for a "normal" diet?

Oh, no I am pro low carb and I do it for my pcos and insulin resistance... I'm just saying people always say low carb will shut your kidneys down because you eat too much protein but I'm just wondering how Much the neighsayers consider too much.

I'm aware, I've seen your posts before. I'm just stating the medical fact that UNLESS you have pre-existing kidney disease, then excess protein won't hurt them.

What is the recommended grams of protein for a "normal" diet?

That varies by individual.

For women it's basically about 0.5g per pound of lean body mass if sedentary, and goes up based on activity. If extremely-active / an athlete, it's best to have at least 1.0g / pound of lean mass - again, as a minimum.

If you're trying to GAIN muscle (so you're eating a surplus instead of a deficit) you may want to aim for even more - as much as 50% more - For example, Lyle McDonald (a highly-regarded expert on performance nutrition) is currently recommending 1.5g/lb of bodyweight (not lean mass) for powerlifters based on all available current research.

Wasn't trying to harp on you at all... Just had a friend tell me the other day that I was "going to die like Doctor Atkins did from eating too much protein" and I told her on average I eat about 80-90 grams a day and she informed me that was double the normal "recommend amount" so I just thought maybe you might know off the top of your head.

I'm not trying to argue with you I was just trying to get advice.

http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/nutrition/a/protein.htm

This website states calculate your weight x .37 to figure out the minimum amount of protein you should eat. It also states protein levels are based on our age, weight, and activity level. So, I believe this gives you a base on where your protein should be at

eating low carb is actually causing the calorie deficit. It shouldn't, by itself, cause gout. I'm thinking that low carb is causing excessive low calorie,intake and then causing the fat breakdown that is causing high purine levels in the blood, which is then causing crystals to forming the foot joints and then inflammation. and pain. I'm thinking that if I just eat more I might solve my problem. The human body does not need sugar or carbs to thrive. Right?

I have no idea about the connection between low-carbing and the exacerbation of gout symptoms.

I suffer with Lupus and another complicated systemic pain condition......which causes same issues that gout does, just different origin. I was wondering if you are making sure to be very generous with your fluid intake to dilute the pain causing crystals of which you speak.

Also, another resource which may or may not interest you is the diet plan that is 'endorsed' by Doctors treating arthritis, Lupus and other inflammatory conditions....you would have to do a Google Search.....Rheumatoid Arthritis Anti-Inflammatory Diet, should get you plenty of hits.

Good luck......I will add another comment FWIW, I commend you trying different styles of eating and weight loss to help your pain, but if after a reasonable time of eating that way your symptoms flare up, it might be time to try another approach......having such flare ups can be hard to reign in if left.

The article "Gout: The Missing Chapter from Grood Calories, Bad Calories" on Tim Ferris' web site is worth a read ...

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2009/10/05/gout/

Here's one of the key bits ...

"The evidence arguing for sugar or fructose as the primary cause of gout is two-fold. First, the distribution of gout in western populations has paralleled the availability of sugar for centuries, and not all refined carbohydrates in this case. It was in the mid-17th century, that gout went from being exclusively a disease of the rich and the nobility to spread downward and outward through British society, reaching near epidemic proportions by the 18th century. Historians refer to this as the “gout wave,”(16) and it coincides precisely with the birth and explosive growth of the British sugar industry(17) and the transformation of sugar, in the words of the anthropologist Sydney Mintz, from “a luxury of kings into the kingly luxury of commoners.”(18) "

It's not *simply* a matter of sugar intake, and neither Taubes nor Ferris make that claim. And there is certainly a correlation with obesity.

My own experience is that if I keep my beer, bread, and sugar intake down, I can usually eat whatever I want as far as meat, cheese, and shellfish go (these being classic triggers).

FYI---Atkins died because he slipped on an icy sidewalk and banged his head- the dying of his diet is au urban legend

That's one of the things that lots of anti-meat (vegan/vegetarian/peta/etc) organizations and activists continue to claim.

There's a good write-up on Atkins health conditions and the events around his death here: http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/atkinsdiet/a/dratkinsdeath.htm

I'm also low-carb and paleo. Gout runs in my family. I suspect I've had some flare-ups, but they never lasted long enough to see a doctor, so I can't say for sure that I have it.

For understanding the science about low-carb and the issues that people associate with it (as well as finding support), I find www.marksdailyapple.com to be my best resource. And My Fitness Pal community to be my worst resource (Funny how many people that responded to you apparently don't get how low-carb works. Or don't have gout. Why are they responding then? Rant over.)
The writers of Mark's Daily Apple are really good at dissecting the research so normal people can understand it, and sticking to actual research, not rumors or mere perception.

Anyway, here's a link to an article on Marks' Daily Apple about gout. I hope it helps:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/gout-primal-paleo-diet/#axzz2xb1ORBTb

As for hydrating...

Don't forget, that the first pounds you lose on low-carb are usually water weight. I can't remember why, but your body flushes out a lot of water while you're transitioning. So, add that to the case for hydration.

don't eat low carb. eat balanced macros, aim for 40/30/30 instead.

if your diet is making a medical condition worse, then don't do that diet. There are other ways to get/stay lean. Balanced macros works fine. Seems like you need to eat a certain amount of carbs to be healthy, so that means you have to eat them.