Why I think weight isn't a proper goal
SHBoss1673
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Firstly let me clarify something so people don't take this the wrong way.
I think losing weight to regain (or for the first time gain) good health is an admirable and worthy goal. I'm not saying this to diminish, in any way, the accomplishments people are shooting for.
Over the course of 4 plus years on MFP I've gone from a novice loser, to something of an experienced health and nutrition layman, some would even call me something of a mentor or advice giver. I like to think of myself as that person who tells it like it is, sometimes the advice given is something you want to hear, sometimes it isn't, but I rarely change the message. Your health is THE number one priority (in my humble opinion), looks and how other view you, while perfectly valid emotions to have, should always be secondary. This is my honest opinion. To this point, when I design or edit (something I'm doing constantly) my own nutrition and exercise programs, the first thing I think of is "How will this help me? And is this good or bad for my overall health?" If the answers to those questions are both positive (from a body health perspective), then I dive into what my other reasons are for them.
Make no mistake, I want the hard body as much as the next guy (or gal), but I won't sacrifice my health to do it.
Having said all that, I would turn to a weight as a goal. To this end, I ask you, what is your "perfect" weight? Do you truly know it? Or do you just THINK you know it. How did you come to that conclusion? Did someone help you? if so, what method did THAT person use to come to it.
I submit this, weight is very very arbitrary. Depending on how much muscle mass we have, how dense our bones are, and how hydrated we are, our weights can fluctuate by relatively large amounts (as much as 3 or 4% per DAY!!!) So I generally don't like hard weight goals as end results. I personally use Body fat % as one of my main goals for body composition. I realize this is not as easy to measure as weight (bio-electrical impedance home scales can be wildly inaccurate), which means you must trust your plan and have far more time between check ups, but I am one of those people that can compartmentalize this type of thing and not let it rule me. for others, there are similar measurements that can be used easier and more frequently with great results, such as size measurements (I don't mean clothes, those can change with stretching, washing, and between manufacturer) such as waist, hips, arms, chest, thighs, neck. Even forearm, wrist, ankle, and calf are all good measurements.
I know lots of people like to "get back to their pre-baby weight" or "back to their high school weight" but that's not really a reasonable goal. As we age, our body composition changes, muscles change, bone density, size, and structure changes, the needs of our body changes as well, this all adds up to the simple fact that having the body of an 18 year old isn't necessarily GOOD for us as a 40 year old, older bones can't handle the strains that are put on young bones, old tendons aren't as flexible, old ligaments don't have the cushion that young ones do, and old hearts and lungs don't have the same capacity. And yes, our bodies accumulate more fat, it's just physiology. This isn't meant to bum you guys out, it's just reality, it doesn't mean you can't still be athletic, active, and lively. It just means you must plan your life around you, not the young version of you.
So I say, ditch that "ultimate" weight goal, but don't stop tracking progress, weighing yourself isn't the devil, and it is a perfectly fine way of tracking progress, but it should neither be your only means of tracking, nor should it be your obsession. Set some goals that are not weight related, don't throw your eggs all in one basket. Have a measurement goal of some kind (be it body fat %, lean tissue amount, size measurements...etc.), but also have physical goals like walking that 5 miles in under 75 minutes, or running that 5K, or hiking that mountain, or biking that 50 miles, or swimming that mile. the goal doesn't matter as much as one would think, having a difficult, but achievable goal is the point.
Best of luck everyone.
-Banks
I think losing weight to regain (or for the first time gain) good health is an admirable and worthy goal. I'm not saying this to diminish, in any way, the accomplishments people are shooting for.
Over the course of 4 plus years on MFP I've gone from a novice loser, to something of an experienced health and nutrition layman, some would even call me something of a mentor or advice giver. I like to think of myself as that person who tells it like it is, sometimes the advice given is something you want to hear, sometimes it isn't, but I rarely change the message. Your health is THE number one priority (in my humble opinion), looks and how other view you, while perfectly valid emotions to have, should always be secondary. This is my honest opinion. To this point, when I design or edit (something I'm doing constantly) my own nutrition and exercise programs, the first thing I think of is "How will this help me? And is this good or bad for my overall health?" If the answers to those questions are both positive (from a body health perspective), then I dive into what my other reasons are for them.
Make no mistake, I want the hard body as much as the next guy (or gal), but I won't sacrifice my health to do it.
Having said all that, I would turn to a weight as a goal. To this end, I ask you, what is your "perfect" weight? Do you truly know it? Or do you just THINK you know it. How did you come to that conclusion? Did someone help you? if so, what method did THAT person use to come to it.
I submit this, weight is very very arbitrary. Depending on how much muscle mass we have, how dense our bones are, and how hydrated we are, our weights can fluctuate by relatively large amounts (as much as 3 or 4% per DAY!!!) So I generally don't like hard weight goals as end results. I personally use Body fat % as one of my main goals for body composition. I realize this is not as easy to measure as weight (bio-electrical impedance home scales can be wildly inaccurate), which means you must trust your plan and have far more time between check ups, but I am one of those people that can compartmentalize this type of thing and not let it rule me. for others, there are similar measurements that can be used easier and more frequently with great results, such as size measurements (I don't mean clothes, those can change with stretching, washing, and between manufacturer) such as waist, hips, arms, chest, thighs, neck. Even forearm, wrist, ankle, and calf are all good measurements.
I know lots of people like to "get back to their pre-baby weight" or "back to their high school weight" but that's not really a reasonable goal. As we age, our body composition changes, muscles change, bone density, size, and structure changes, the needs of our body changes as well, this all adds up to the simple fact that having the body of an 18 year old isn't necessarily GOOD for us as a 40 year old, older bones can't handle the strains that are put on young bones, old tendons aren't as flexible, old ligaments don't have the cushion that young ones do, and old hearts and lungs don't have the same capacity. And yes, our bodies accumulate more fat, it's just physiology. This isn't meant to bum you guys out, it's just reality, it doesn't mean you can't still be athletic, active, and lively. It just means you must plan your life around you, not the young version of you.
So I say, ditch that "ultimate" weight goal, but don't stop tracking progress, weighing yourself isn't the devil, and it is a perfectly fine way of tracking progress, but it should neither be your only means of tracking, nor should it be your obsession. Set some goals that are not weight related, don't throw your eggs all in one basket. Have a measurement goal of some kind (be it body fat %, lean tissue amount, size measurements...etc.), but also have physical goals like walking that 5 miles in under 75 minutes, or running that 5K, or hiking that mountain, or biking that 50 miles, or swimming that mile. the goal doesn't matter as much as one would think, having a difficult, but achievable goal is the point.
Best of luck everyone.
-Banks
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Wow, what a fantastic post! Thank you for the insight.............I will definitely take some of that adice:bigsmile:0
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Great writing on this subject! I completely believe in not having a "magic number" I rather see my goals in the stuff I want to see my body accomplish. In high school and young adult I had this magical number, anything more and I thought I was fat. I would do anything to make sure i was under that number. Ultimately time and life goes on, to realize that I can't be that number without sacrificing my health to be at that weight. Pregnancy and hysterectomy are two prime examples in my time to prove to me that "magical #" was not going to work. Now almost 4 years after my hysterectomy and almost 20 lbs heavier than that # I am doing things I was never able to do before. I have not only finished a 5k, but have begun running them! I have tackled my goal to be certified to teach. I love seeing me reach those goals instead of trying to kill myself to get to the magic number. THANK YOU for writing this. It really does help me remember that the number is history and to strive for my future goals!0
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Good sound advise. Thanks!0
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thank you for that...i couldn't agree more....0
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I was just thinking about this last week. While, I still have a goal weight at the moment, for my tracking..I'm just going to see how I feel and where I'm at as I get closer. I don't know if I'll end up being heavier or lighter than what I have down for my "goal" weight. I'm going to go by muscle to fat ratio and where I feel comfortable at. Great post as always!0
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After reading your post, I have to say that I agree with what you said. There are so many times that you also see people who lose large amounts of weight, and it makes them look sickly. For me, losing weight is not just about weight, it is a life style change that incorporates exercise, eating right, being happy. Naturally the weight comes off when you do those things, but getting down to a certain weight has never been the simple goal for me. I guess we do have to ask the question..."when do you lose TOO MUCH weight, and what is a HEALTHY weight for you?
Catrina0 -
Thank you. You really made my day. I've been really caught up in the numbers. I'm at my original "goal weight" and now for some reason I think I need to lose 5-10 more pounds. Not because I still look overweight. Not because I'm not comfortable with my weight. It's the exact opposite. I am very comfortable and I look great. There is this obsession over numbers and the lower the better.
I needed a reality check. I need to focus on nonweight goals and I am going to start doing that.
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I totally agree. I weigh myself maybe once a month. I am at an average and healthy weight, but I am not trying to be a stick. I like having muscle and muscle even burns more calories while you are resting or doing your workouts. There are a lot of advantages to it, so of course I am not going to be at the "low" for my weight. I check my body fat % and I measure myself and that's about it! It's how I feel and how I feel when I see myself, not the number on the scale.
People need to understand, who cares if you haven't lost a pound? Then they realize they have lost 4 inches and are sad because they haven't lost weight. Obviously body fat is gone and you got muscle. That's a GOOD thing!0 -
Excellent post as always!
I find that I care about my weight less and less, the less I weight. Weight is only the most convenient to track!
I am meaning to get my body composition tested in near future and then have it done again every 3 or 6 months to keep track. It isn't too expensive, you know! They offer inbody testing with analysis and consultation for 25€ here!
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Ha! Found it cheaper! 15€ :drinker:0 -
I agree. I joined this site so I could learn to eat healthier. I had to see what I was putting in my body. I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia back at the end of August. I knew as long I was going all day without eating, living on coffee, and having that one big meal at night then plopping down on the couch until I fall asleep I wasn't going to get better. I managed to stay about 122 in my 20's and 30's but it was a very, very unhealthy 122. When I turned 38 my weight started creeping up but I kept doing what I was doing. I was pushing 140 within a year. I managed to get that down to 133-134 before the FM. When I started feeling better I went back up to 130 and it has stuck (did move down some last week). But I am eating fruits and veggies and whole grains and lean meats. I'm getting more protein. I'm keeping my sugar and sodium and fat intake down. I'm exercising. This means more to me than the number on the scale because I know as I get older this will be more important than then that number.
I got a body fat % tester kit on Amazon for $9. It even came with a really nice measuring tape. I have been using this rather than the scale. Sure I still step on the scale once a week but if it is up a little from the week before I don't worry about it.
January 1st is my new goal: no more smoking!!!!0 -
I needed to read this today.
You have perfect timing, and great views and insights as usual.
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Glad that I could help some of you guys today. With all the holiday stresses out there, there's no need to add weight to it! :drinker:0
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I was anal on Thanksgiving about calories, but now I am not for Christmas. I am watching portions, but am not gonna freak about going over in calories. The holidays come once a year, the 1 pound gain that you may possibly get will come off and then some afterward!0
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Bumping to come back to later - this is a great reminder!
I have a lot of weight to lose - never been at a healthy weight as an adult (well...really, since mid-adolescence) and right now I'm just trying to get into the healthy weight range for my height. I have no idea what my "ideal" weight is, and I don't even necessarily believe there is one right magic weight number for me. Once I get into the healthy weight range for my height, I'll be switching from a weight focus to a strength/ability focus, though I'm certainly doing things to work on those at the present as well. One of my goals next year is to lose weight, but another goal is to walk/run/hike 900 miles - I really want to ramp up my activity level! I think it's fun to set non-weight related goals that I have complete control over.
I would love to find an affordable, somewhat reliable method of getting my body fat tested in my area, and use that as my main measure of progress instead of weight, but I'm not sure if there is one... that's on my list of things to research...0 -
This perfectly phrases my thoughts when i see people who say they were extremely disappointed when they went changed to a digital scale and went up in weight. Like that discounts or lessens all their hard work. Weight is such an arbitrary number...hardly a measure of success.
My thought is...I will know when I am a comfortable weight...when i see it.0 -
Great post! When I think about my future I think about my health first and foremost. I'm on the waitlist for bariatric surgery not necessarily just for weight loss but to improve my overall health. I don't know what my "ideal" weight should be...I've been obese all my life.0
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bump. i'll need to read this later bc i suck at this. LOL0
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Excellent post! I keep trying to explain that to people that I know. I'm in this to feel better, to improve my health, not to reach some random/arbitrary number on a scale.
I'm a veteran of the dietary wars: my mother started me dieting at age 9, even though I was a very active child and only a bit chubby. Decades of dieting (including fasting diets, drugs, etc.) totally messed up my metabolism. This time, it's about health and well-being, not the numbers on a scale.
Thanks for the well-written post.
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Nice!:drinker:0
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Excellent post! I keep trying to explain that to people that I know. I'm in this to feel better, to improve my health, not to reach some random/arbitrary number on a scale.
I'm a veteran of the dietary wars: my mother started me dieting at age 9, even though I was a very active child and only a bit chubby. Decades of dieting (including fasting diets, drugs, etc.) totally messed up my metabolism. This time, it's about health and well-being, not the numbers on a scale.
Thanks for the well-written post.
Cheers!
This sounds just like my wife. Her mom meant well but was so damaging to her psyche, she's still fighting it off. Now, after decades of dieting and exercise (and a gallbladder removed, from being on a liquid diet in her 20's) she's finally understanding what it takes mentally to beat this physically. You might benefit from this post I wrote as well.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/138417-triggers-i-notice-on-mfp0 -
This sounds just like my wife...she's finally understanding what it takes mentally to beat this physically.
Thanks for the link, SHBoss. Yes, it is *truly* a mental journey at this point. I *know* what it means to "diet". Know all the tricks of the trade, yet, now, with this new journey, it's really no longer feeling as if I'm depriving myself, nor am I wishing for the magic bullet. It's taken decades to get to this point.
I love that I can indulge if I truly feel the need. After all, it's one thing, one time. I track it and frankly, most days, if I do indulge a little, I'm still at or under my daily calories. No feeling restricted is GLORIOUS. If I *don't* want to indulge, I can much more easily say "no" to the cake, cookies or whatever. I don't feel virtuous or smug...just content in that I *can* eat if I want to, but not wanting to is also valid. I don't have to take it because I feel as if it will go away.
It's truly liberating!
Happy Holidays to all!0 -
Great advice! I agree with you, although I'm still looking for that "magic number". I agree with looking at some of the other metrics, though. I remember being dismayed when my instructor told me I might gain weight at first, because introducing exercise would build muscle mass... then I realized it was just a normal part of the process.0
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I think that is a fine point. Who would choose 113 pounds as a goal weight? Probably no one but after many months of this journey of fitness I have discovered that is the weight I feel and look the best at. When I drop below I am tired a lot and I can maintain a few above and still feel ok but too many above (more than 5) and I feel an impending sense of doom. If I had chosen 110 lbs as my goal I would be killing myself trying to get there etc. My goal was health and fitness. I am crazy about being fit. I wanted to break out of the 130's as I am only 5 foot tall, but outside of that I allowed my body to tell me my goal.0
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Great point !!!! Thanks for the insight.0
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great post. the perfect weight is something that i hold dear as a time in my life where i was completely happy w my body. Now I look at my weight and i stress, as i am still 3kg off of where i want to be. BUT i look at my body and I wonder if as I got a little bit older, did my proportions change...? now i feel more womanly with weight in the right places.... so maybe my perfect weight is different now than it was when I was 27......0
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great post. the perfect weight is something that i hold dear as a time in my life where i was completely happy w my body. Now I look at my weight and i stress, as i am still 3kg off of where i want to be. BUT i look at my body and I wonder if as I got a little bit older, did my proportions change...? now i feel more womanly with weight in the right places.... so maybe my perfect weight is different now than it was when I was 27......
5 years can make a big difference in proportion. Especially when talking about going from your 20's to your 30's. It's one of the big changeover points for the human body.0 -
Funny you posted this today. I was talking to a friend at work after walkiing. She asked me when I will be DONE with this diet, because it has been more than 2 years.
I told her I will be done when I am 99!! Years old that is!! :laugh:
It is all about the health. It is great to hit a numbers goal in the beginning. seeing 5,10,20,35 pounds lost is amazing...........especially when you did not think you could do it without a pill or special delivery food (blech)
When you get to maintain stage.........it is so easy to forget the HEALTH part. Little by little the crap found it's way back into my food diary. Then the diary became more and more lonely.
This is for life! Thank God for MFP and my friends on here. I am back to walking, water and looking at my food as fuel.
Thanks for posting Steve, Merry Christmas to you and yours:flowerforyou:
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Love it! Thanks for that! I've always tracked my weight just because for me it's easier to see progress. But my ultimate goals are the sixe of pants/skirts and tops that i want to wear. I've never thought of tracking my % body fat, however. I might start doing that.0
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Thanks! Love your post. They weight goal I have right now still puts me as overweight but it is what my doctor said she would be ecstatic if I reached. I hope to reach that then see how I look and feel.0
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I always agree with you boss, but this time I have proven with my body and composition that your words were never more right on the mark.0
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