Quick way to get the weight going down!!
kinni101
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Hi guy, i know the answer is eating healthy and gym but any other tips please! I';ve hit a wall, i either go back up or back to the wall .
Gym three times a week and i am eathing 1350. Healthier but not 100percent healthy!
I am currently 91.2 kg,i want to get to 89kg ( the stone below bracket) as a short term motivational goal!
Thank you xxx
Gym three times a week and i am eathing 1350. Healthier but not 100percent healthy!
I am currently 91.2 kg,i want to get to 89kg ( the stone below bracket) as a short term motivational goal!
Thank you xxx
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Weigh your food and log it consistently and as accurately as possible.
If you're in a deficit, you will lose weight.0 -
Time and caloric deficit.
You can't "quick" anything, or you'll self harm.0 -
If you are logging accurately and consistently and you are in a caloric deficit, you will lose weight. You just have to be patient.
Are you eating back your exercise calories? You may be overestimating them, which can stall weight loss. Many people try to eat 50% of their exercise calories back, or they use the TDEE method. Otherwise, lack of weight loss is often in water retention - make sure you're eating your fruits and drinking enough water each day, because it makes a difference.0 -
You lose weight by eating at a deficit. Period. Log everything you eat & drink accurately & honestly. Weigh your food. Eat back half your exercise calories.
Read this: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1080242-a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants0 -
People really need to stop telling everyone it's a simple deficit. Yes, for a lot of people, this works; however, there is no need to make people feel stupid or like they must be doing something wrong just because a deficit isn't working for them. It IS more complicated for some people than it is for others. I would weigh a LOT less if a deficit worked for me, but when I eat at TDEE - 15/20%, I get nowhere.
Are you weighing your food? If you're decently healthy and have no conditions (Diabetes, PCOS, Insulin Resistance, etc.) that would restrict your weight loss, you may be eating more than you think you are. I personally used to eat less than I thought I was, and then wonder why I was constantly hungry and binging at night. I once passed out thinking I'd eaten around 9 oz of chicken all day, when really I'd only had around 2-3. A LOT of people are the opposite, though, so make sure you're counting your calories correctly.
As for the deficit, if it's not working for you, you're not alone. Certain conditions may prevent a deficit from being the only diet-change necessary. I personally have PCOS and have to net significantly under my calorie goal in order to lose weight. I also try to stick to a high-fat, mod-protein, low-carb (and by low, I mean around 30g per meal, not 30g per day) diet. Sometimes, when there are conditions such as these, Macros matter A LOT. PCOS comes with insulin resistance, so carbs and sugars are not my friends.
Good luck losing! Just remember that everyone's body is different, and it's a process figuring out what works for you. Not everyone responds so quickly to a caloric deficit.0 -
- weigh and measure all your foods! invest in an electronic food scale and always use measuring cups for liquids and measuring spoons etc.
- get a HRM for your exercise to know how many calories you are really burning. You may need to adjust your activity level settings too to adjust your calorie goals
- Figure out your BRM and TDEE - you should subtract 10-20 % from your TDEE for safe/healthy weight loss
- Only weigh yourself once a week or once a month... Take MEASUREMENTS instead so you can see your progress better. You may be losing inches/gaining muscle
- try to have no more than 20% junk food in your diet and 80% healthy foods!
- drink half your body weight in ounces of water per day!0 -
I agree with KatyRu nice advise0
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How much water do you drink? The last time I lost a lot of weight I had more success when I made sure to drink a lot of it. In fact when I first seriously upped my water I lost about eight pounds in about a week, which was pretty much mostly water that my body was hanging on to and boy did that feel good :-) After that of course the loss slowed to more normal but still a fairly consistent rate and I can't tell you how much better it feels to be properly hydrated. You will be amazed.
I am working on ramping up my intake, my goal is to get to at least 100 oz. a day.
Edited because my brain types faster and more accurately than my fingers :-)0 -
Eating at a deficit is the one truth about losing weight. Granted that medical problems can impede weight loss, it's pretty darned rare. Your deficit may need to be adjusted but, still, all it takes to lose weight is to eat less calories than you burn.People really need to stop telling everyone it's a simple deficit. Yes, for a lot of people, this works; however, there is no need to make people feel stupid or like they must be doing something wrong just because a deficit isn't working for them. It IS more complicated for some people than it is for others. I would weigh a LOT less if a deficit worked for me, but when I eat at TDEE - 15/20%, I get nowhere.
Are you weighing your food? If you're decently healthy and have no conditions (Diabetes, PCOS, Insulin Resistance, etc.) that would restrict your weight loss, you may be eating more than you think you are. I personally used to eat less than I thought I was, and then wonder why I was constantly hungry and binging at night. I once passed out thinking I'd eaten around 9 oz of chicken all day, when really I'd only had around 2-3. A LOT of people are the opposite, though, so make sure you're counting your calories correctly.
As for the deficit, if it's not working for you, you're not alone. Certain conditions may prevent a deficit from being the only diet-change necessary. I personally have PCOS and have to net significantly under my calorie goal in order to lose weight. I also try to stick to a high-fat, mod-protein, low-carb (and by low, I mean around 30g per meal, not 30g per day) diet. Sometimes, when there are conditions such as these, Macros matter A LOT. PCOS comes with insulin resistance, so carbs and sugars are not my friends.
Good luck losing! Just remember that everyone's body is different, and it's a process figuring out what works for you. Not everyone responds so quickly to a caloric deficit.
The type of food you eat has nothing to do with losing weight. You can eat twinkies all day while staying at a deficit and you will lose weight. You might not feel very well, but you'd still lose.
Look at my ticker. I've lost 42 pounds the foods I like, and this includes foods that I'd cut out in earlier diets because I had labeled them as "fattening". I have been successfully maintaining.0 -
Drink water like it's your job. Try keto? Eat clean and move/ work out (cardio).0
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Superfluous for losing weight.Try keto? Eat clean,,,.0 -
Drink water like it's your job. Try keto? Eat clean and move/ work out (cardio).
This is what's working for me!0 -
Eating at a deficit is the one truth about losing weight. Granted that medical problems can impede weight loss, it's pretty darned rare. Your deficit may need to be adjusted but, still, all it takes to lose weight is to eat less calories than you burn.People really need to stop telling everyone it's a simple deficit. Yes, for a lot of people, this works; however, there is no need to make people feel stupid or like they must be doing something wrong just because a deficit isn't working for them. It IS more complicated for some people than it is for others. I would weigh a LOT less if a deficit worked for me, but when I eat at TDEE - 15/20%, I get nowhere.
Are you weighing your food? If you're decently healthy and have no conditions (Diabetes, PCOS, Insulin Resistance, etc.) that would restrict your weight loss, you may be eating more than you think you are. I personally used to eat less than I thought I was, and then wonder why I was constantly hungry and binging at night. I once passed out thinking I'd eaten around 9 oz of chicken all day, when really I'd only had around 2-3. A LOT of people are the opposite, though, so make sure you're counting your calories correctly.
As for the deficit, if it's not working for you, you're not alone. Certain conditions may prevent a deficit from being the only diet-change necessary. I personally have PCOS and have to net significantly under my calorie goal in order to lose weight. I also try to stick to a high-fat, mod-protein, low-carb (and by low, I mean around 30g per meal, not 30g per day) diet. Sometimes, when there are conditions such as these, Macros matter A LOT. PCOS comes with insulin resistance, so carbs and sugars are not my friends.
Good luck losing! Just remember that everyone's body is different, and it's a process figuring out what works for you. Not everyone responds so quickly to a caloric deficit.
The type of food you eat has nothing to do with losing weight. You can eat twinkies all day while staying at a deficit and you will lose weight. You might not feel very well, but you'd still lose.
Look at my ticker. I've lost 42 pounds the foods I like, and this includes foods that I'd cut out in earlier diets because I had labeled them as "fattening". I have been successfully maintaining.
This may be true for you, and if it is, congratulations. I gain weight using a "simple" deficit, so I'm happy it's so much easier for you. I also use a HRM to calculate my burns, and don't eat back exercise calories, so it's not an error in calorie calculations. For some, macros DO matter. It's not incredibly rare. In fact, it's estimated by researchers who work with insulin resistance that IR affects around one in four Americans. I'd say 25% is decently common, even if it's not the majority. Congratulations on being in the majority. For me, the lower deficit RESULTS in lower carb/sugar intake, which is what ultimately helps me lose weight. The deficit alone doesn't do it for me, or for quite a few others with insulin resistance problems (ie, if I ate 1200 calories in twinkies all day, chances are, I probably wouldn't lose weight). 0 -
People really need to stop telling everyone it's a simple deficit. Yes, for a lot of people, this works; however, there is no need to make people feel stupid or like they must be doing something wrong just because a deficit isn't working for them. It IS more complicated for some people than it is for others. I would weigh a LOT less if a deficit worked for me, but when I eat at TDEE - 15/20%, I get nowhere.
Are you weighing your food? If you're decently healthy and have no conditions (Diabetes, PCOS, Insulin Resistance, etc.) that would restrict your weight loss, you may be eating more than you think you are. I personally used to eat less than I thought I was, and then wonder why I was constantly hungry and binging at night. I once passed out thinking I'd eaten around 9 oz of chicken all day, when really I'd only had around 2-3. A LOT of people are the opposite, though, so make sure you're counting your calories correctly.
As for the deficit, if it's not working for you, you're not alone. Certain conditions may prevent a deficit from being the only diet-change necessary. I personally have PCOS and have to net significantly under my calorie goal in order to lose weight. I also try to stick to a high-fat, mod-protein, low-carb (and by low, I mean around 30g per meal, not 30g per day) diet. Sometimes, when there are conditions such as these, Macros matter A LOT. PCOS comes with insulin resistance, so carbs and sugars are not my friends.
Good luck losing! Just remember that everyone's body is different, and it's a process figuring out what works for you. Not everyone responds so quickly to a caloric deficit.
Nice. Thank you.0 -
Eating at a deficit is the one truth about losing weight. Granted that medical problems can impede weight loss, it's pretty darned rare. Your deficit may need to be adjusted but, still, all it takes to lose weight is to eat less calories than you burn.People really need to stop telling everyone it's a simple deficit. Yes, for a lot of people, this works; however, there is no need to make people feel stupid or like they must be doing something wrong just because a deficit isn't working for them. It IS more complicated for some people than it is for others. I would weigh a LOT less if a deficit worked for me, but when I eat at TDEE - 15/20%, I get nowhere.
Are you weighing your food? If you're decently healthy and have no conditions (Diabetes, PCOS, Insulin Resistance, etc.) that would restrict your weight loss, you may be eating more than you think you are. I personally used to eat less than I thought I was, and then wonder why I was constantly hungry and binging at night. I once passed out thinking I'd eaten around 9 oz of chicken all day, when really I'd only had around 2-3. A LOT of people are the opposite, though, so make sure you're counting your calories correctly.
As for the deficit, if it's not working for you, you're not alone. Certain conditions may prevent a deficit from being the only diet-change necessary. I personally have PCOS and have to net significantly under my calorie goal in order to lose weight. I also try to stick to a high-fat, mod-protein, low-carb (and by low, I mean around 30g per meal, not 30g per day) diet. Sometimes, when there are conditions such as these, Macros matter A LOT. PCOS comes with insulin resistance, so carbs and sugars are not my friends.
Good luck losing! Just remember that everyone's body is different, and it's a process figuring out what works for you. Not everyone responds so quickly to a caloric deficit.
The type of food you eat has nothing to do with losing weight. You can eat twinkies all day while staying at a deficit and you will lose weight. You might not feel very well, but you'd still lose.
Look at my ticker. I've lost 42 pounds the foods I like, and this includes foods that I'd cut out in earlier diets because I had labeled them as "fattening". I have been successfully maintaining.
This is the one that drives me nuts -- it's pretty rare. No, it's not.
35% of the adult US population -- or 79 million --- has prediabetes
8% -- or 25 million -- has full blow diabetes
12% of adults will have a thyroid condition some point in their lives
20 million in US population have some form of thyroid disease (60% of which are undiagnosed)
These are significant numbers -- it means 43+% of the population has a carb/sugar issue with prediabetes/diabetes. 8% has a thyroid disorder, most of which are undiagnosed. Since both lead to weight gain (well, hypothyroid does), there's probably an even higher percentage in the overweight population. That's NOT rare.0 -
Eating at a deficit is the one truth about losing weight. Granted that medical problems can impede weight loss, it's pretty darned rare. Your deficit may need to be adjusted but, still, all it takes to lose weight is to eat less calories than you burn.People really need to stop telling everyone it's a simple deficit. Yes, for a lot of people, this works; however, there is no need to make people feel stupid or like they must be doing something wrong just because a deficit isn't working for them. It IS more complicated for some people than it is for others. I would weigh a LOT less if a deficit worked for me, but when I eat at TDEE - 15/20%, I get nowhere.
Are you weighing your food? If you're decently healthy and have no conditions (Diabetes, PCOS, Insulin Resistance, etc.) that would restrict your weight loss, you may be eating more than you think you are. I personally used to eat less than I thought I was, and then wonder why I was constantly hungry and binging at night. I once passed out thinking I'd eaten around 9 oz of chicken all day, when really I'd only had around 2-3. A LOT of people are the opposite, though, so make sure you're counting your calories correctly.
As for the deficit, if it's not working for you, you're not alone. Certain conditions may prevent a deficit from being the only diet-change necessary. I personally have PCOS and have to net significantly under my calorie goal in order to lose weight. I also try to stick to a high-fat, mod-protein, low-carb (and by low, I mean around 30g per meal, not 30g per day) diet. Sometimes, when there are conditions such as these, Macros matter A LOT. PCOS comes with insulin resistance, so carbs and sugars are not my friends.
Good luck losing! Just remember that everyone's body is different, and it's a process figuring out what works for you. Not everyone responds so quickly to a caloric deficit.
The type of food you eat has nothing to do with losing weight. You can eat twinkies all day while staying at a deficit and you will lose weight. You might not feel very well, but you'd still lose.
Look at my ticker. I've lost 42 pounds the foods I like, and this includes foods that I'd cut out in earlier diets because I had labeled them as "fattening". I have been successfully maintaining.
I agree it is as simple as a deficet...simple not easy.
As for medical conditions yes they exist but it doesn't change the deficet calculation it just means you have to be more diligent on your logging and intake etc.
As well my ticker (and a lot of tickers here) eat what we want in smaller portions and lose weight using CICO.
No where do people try and make others feel stupid or that they are doing something wrong because a deficet isn't working for them...truth is they are not working the deficet....0 -
Eating at a deficit is the one truth about losing weight. Granted that medical problems can impede weight loss, it's pretty darned rare. Your deficit may need to be adjusted but, still, all it takes to lose weight is to eat less calories than you burn.People really need to stop telling everyone it's a simple deficit. Yes, for a lot of people, this works; however, there is no need to make people feel stupid or like they must be doing something wrong just because a deficit isn't working for them. It IS more complicated for some people than it is for others. I would weigh a LOT less if a deficit worked for me, but when I eat at TDEE - 15/20%, I get nowhere.
Are you weighing your food? If you're decently healthy and have no conditions (Diabetes, PCOS, Insulin Resistance, etc.) that would restrict your weight loss, you may be eating more than you think you are. I personally used to eat less than I thought I was, and then wonder why I was constantly hungry and binging at night. I once passed out thinking I'd eaten around 9 oz of chicken all day, when really I'd only had around 2-3. A LOT of people are the opposite, though, so make sure you're counting your calories correctly.
As for the deficit, if it's not working for you, you're not alone. Certain conditions may prevent a deficit from being the only diet-change necessary. I personally have PCOS and have to net significantly under my calorie goal in order to lose weight. I also try to stick to a high-fat, mod-protein, low-carb (and by low, I mean around 30g per meal, not 30g per day) diet. Sometimes, when there are conditions such as these, Macros matter A LOT. PCOS comes with insulin resistance, so carbs and sugars are not my friends.
Good luck losing! Just remember that everyone's body is different, and it's a process figuring out what works for you. Not everyone responds so quickly to a caloric deficit.
The type of food you eat has nothing to do with losing weight. You can eat twinkies all day while staying at a deficit and you will lose weight. You might not feel very well, but you'd still lose.
Look at my ticker. I've lost 42 pounds the foods I like, and this includes foods that I'd cut out in earlier diets because I had labeled them as "fattening". I have been successfully maintaining.
I agree it is as simple as a deficet...simple not easy.
As for medical conditions yes they exist but it doesn't change the deficet calculation it just means you have to be more diligent on your logging and intake etc.
As well my ticker (and a lot of tickers here) eat what we want in smaller portions and lose weight using CICO.
No where do people try and make others feel stupid or that they are doing something wrong because a deficet isn't working for them...truth is they are not working the deficet....
That's just not true, Stef. I know you like to think it is to fit your world view, but when you involve incredibly complex processes like abnormal hormonal responses and glucose metabolism, CICO doesn't work the same way because the underlying assumptions are no longer true.
I'm a great example. I was doing EVERYTHING the exact same and saw hardly any weight change (i.e. lost 2.2 lbs over 3 months). Introduce a different diet (low carb) and medication for those abnormal issues and suddenly the EXACT same calories and exercise regime yields significantly higher weight loss -- 6-8 lbs in a month. My calories out didn't change significantly, at least not according to the tests currently available, but the results were what was expected accordingly to CICO once the hormones and glucose metabolism issues were addressed.
Simple math is great as a guideline, but it's not a hard and fast rule. The underlying assumptions have to hold true as well. And when you have medical conditions, they often don't.0 -
This is the one that drives me nuts -- it's pretty rare. No, it's not.
35% of the adult US population -- or 79 million --- has prediabetes
8% -- or 25 million -- has full blow diabetes
12% of adults will have a thyroid condition some point in their lives
20 million in US population have some form of thyroid disease (60% of which are undiagnosed)
These are significant numbers -- it means 43+% of the population has a carb/sugar issue with prediabetes/diabetes. 8% has a thyroid disorder, most of which are undiagnosed. Since both lead to weight gain (well, hypothyroid does), there's probably an even higher percentage in the overweight population. That's NOT rare.
actually according to http://ndep.nih.gov/diabetes-facts/
•25.8 million Americans have diabetes — 8.3 percent of the U.S. population. Of these, 7 million do not know they have the disease.
•It is estimated that 79 million adults aged 20 and older have prediabetes. Prediabetes is a condition where blood glucose levels are higher than normal but not high enough to be called diabetes. Studies have shown that by losing weight and increasing physical activity people can prevent or delay prediabetes from progressing to diabetes.
Let me know here the bolded part
And out of the 20million that have some sort of thyroid issue there is also the hyper form which causes weight loss and even the ATA says "More than 12 percent of the U.S. population will develop a thyroid condition during their lifetime."
That doesn't mean they have it now...
so let us be realistic...it is not as common as you say either...if people with prediabetes lose weight they reduce their chances...and those trying to lose weight probably don't have tyhroid issues atm...
nice scare tactic tho...0 -
I would just read the sexy pants link and ignore the snowflakes0
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Eating at a deficit is the one truth about losing weight. Granted that medical problems can impede weight loss, it's pretty darned rare. Your deficit may need to be adjusted but, still, all it takes to lose weight is to eat less calories than you burn.People really need to stop telling everyone it's a simple deficit. Yes, for a lot of people, this works; however, there is no need to make people feel stupid or like they must be doing something wrong just because a deficit isn't working for them. It IS more complicated for some people than it is for others. I would weigh a LOT less if a deficit worked for me, but when I eat at TDEE - 15/20%, I get nowhere.
Are you weighing your food? If you're decently healthy and have no conditions (Diabetes, PCOS, Insulin Resistance, etc.) that would restrict your weight loss, you may be eating more than you think you are. I personally used to eat less than I thought I was, and then wonder why I was constantly hungry and binging at night. I once passed out thinking I'd eaten around 9 oz of chicken all day, when really I'd only had around 2-3. A LOT of people are the opposite, though, so make sure you're counting your calories correctly.
As for the deficit, if it's not working for you, you're not alone. Certain conditions may prevent a deficit from being the only diet-change necessary. I personally have PCOS and have to net significantly under my calorie goal in order to lose weight. I also try to stick to a high-fat, mod-protein, low-carb (and by low, I mean around 30g per meal, not 30g per day) diet. Sometimes, when there are conditions such as these, Macros matter A LOT. PCOS comes with insulin resistance, so carbs and sugars are not my friends.
Good luck losing! Just remember that everyone's body is different, and it's a process figuring out what works for you. Not everyone responds so quickly to a caloric deficit.
The type of food you eat has nothing to do with losing weight. You can eat twinkies all day while staying at a deficit and you will lose weight. You might not feel very well, but you'd still lose.
Look at my ticker. I've lost 42 pounds the foods I like, and this includes foods that I'd cut out in earlier diets because I had labeled them as "fattening". I have been successfully maintaining.
I agree it is as simple as a deficet...simple not easy.
As for medical conditions yes they exist but it doesn't change the deficet calculation it just means you have to be more diligent on your logging and intake etc.
As well my ticker (and a lot of tickers here) eat what we want in smaller portions and lose weight using CICO.
No where do people try and make others feel stupid or that they are doing something wrong because a deficet isn't working for them...truth is they are not working the deficet....
That's just not true, Stef. I know you like to think it is to fit your world view, but when you involve incredibly complex processes like abnormal hormonal responses and glucose metabolism, CICO doesn't work the same way because the underlying assumptions are no longer true.
I'm a great example. I was doing EVERYTHING the exact same and saw hardly any weight change (i.e. lost 2.2 lbs over 3 months). Introduce a different diet (low carb) and medication for those abnormal issues and suddenly the EXACT same calories and exercise regime yields significantly higher weight loss -- 6-8 lbs in a month. My calories out didn't change significantly, at least not according to the tests currently available, but the results were what was expected accordingly to CICO once the hormones and glucose metabolism issues were addressed.
Simple math is great as a guideline, but it's not a hard and fast rule. The underlying assumptions have to hold true as well. And when you have medical conditions, they often don't.
I am not getting into this debate with you.
It has been proven time and time again CICO...if you are sure of CI then it's on the CO side...and a study of one or two doesn't mean imperical evidence just like me alone doesn't prove CICO but it's more than just me...it is a very large part of the population.
No where do any of us say the medical issues do not cause issues with losing weight but it doesn't mean you can't lose weight it just means you have to be more diligent at it...and there are lots with PCOS, diabetes, thryoid issues that have proven that too.0 -
Fly at higher altitudes.
Weigh in outside of Earth's atmosphere.
Cut off a limb.
There are several quick ways that are legit. May not like the result, but they're still legit.
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I would just read the sexy pants link and ignore the snowflakes
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actually according to http://ndep.nih.gov/diabetes-facts/
Studies have shown that by losing weight and increasing physical activity people can prevent or delay prediabetes from progressing to diabetes.
Sure, absolutely. What's your point? I'm not debating that at all, but merely for these people, losing weight is usually not as easy as it is for those that don't have these issues.
You're still talking about a HUGE portion of the population with these issues -- 40%+ of the ADULT US population. That's not "pretty darn rare" AT ALL.And out of the 20million that have some sort of thyroid issue there is also the hyper form which causes weight loss and even the ATA says "More than 12 percent of the U.S. population will develop a thyroid condition during their lifetime."
That doesn't mean they have it now...
so let us be realistic...it is not as common as you say either...if people with prediabetes lose weight they reduce their chances...and those trying to lose weight probably don't have tyhroid issues atm...
nice scare tactic tho...
Once again, what's your point? I'm just giving you the numbers. No matter how you slice it, it's not that uncommon. And this is for only two issues: thyroid and prediabetes/diabetes. You still have other issues out there -- adrenal, liver, etc.
And it's not about scaring anyone, it's about addressing reality. This is the REALITY. Perhaps if more of us acknowledged it, we could start to smartly look at underlying causes instead of just trying to insist they don't exist or are "pretty darn rare".
Denial is not just a river in Egypt.0 -
I never said I was debating or not debating this...I am not debating the CICO thing with you.
I was just clarifying your numbers...since you left important facts out.
such as losing weight can help the prediabetics...prevent or delay...and may never have to deal with insulin etc.
such as 12% "WILL" develop thyroid issues but not neccessarily hypo..but could be hyper...which isn't an issue for weight loss...adrenal issues usually cause problems with keeping weight on, cushings causes weight gain in the face etc but is rare 10-15 in every million...
Reality is perception and without all the facts and data realitiy (perceptions) can be skewed.
These issues are not as common as you want other to believe....nor do they all make losing weight difficult...and there are lots of success stories to prove that as well....0 -
I never said I was debating or not debating this...I am not debating the CICO thing with you.
I was just clarifying your numbers...since you left important facts out.
such as losing weight can help the prediabetics...prevent or delay...and may never have to deal with insulin etc.
such as 12% "WILL" develop thyroid issues but not neccessarily hypo..but could be hyper...which isn't an issue for weight loss...adrenal issues usually cause problems with keeping weight on, cushings causes weight gain in the face etc but is rare 10-15 in every million...
Reality is perception and without all the facts and data realitiy (perceptions) can be skewed.
These issues are not as common as you want other to believe....nor do they all make losing weight difficult...and there are lots of success stories to prove that as well....
I don't know how what I said was incorrect.
To diabetes, I said:35% of the adult US population -- or 79 million --- has prediabetes
8% -- or 25 million -- has full blow diabetes
And you said:•25.8 million Americans have diabetes — 8.3 percent of the U.S. population. Of these, 7 million do not know they have the disease.
•It is estimated that 79 million adults aged 20 and older have prediabetes. Prediabetes is a condition where blood glucose levels are higher than normal but not high enough to be called diabetes. Studies have shown that by losing weight and increasing physical activity people can prevent or delay prediabetes from progressing to diabetes.
You really think there is a significant difference there? Really?
To thyroid issues, I said:12% of adults will have a thyroid condition some point in their lives
20 million in US population have some form of thyroid disease (60% of which are undiagnosed)...
8% has a thyroid disorder, most of which are undiagnosed. Since both lead to weight gain (well, hypothyroid does), there's probably an even higher percentage in the overweight population. That's NOT rare.
And you said:And out of the 20million that have some sort of thyroid issue there is also the hyper form which causes weight loss and even the ATA says "More than 12 percent of the U.S. population will develop a thyroid condition during their lifetime."
That doesn't mean they have it now...
Once again, you think that's substantively different? Really?
The whole point is that these issues aren't RARE, not that diet and exercise will be futile. I never said any such thing, nor implied it. It just means that people with these issues have greater challenges to weight loss and maintenance. So, just shoving the same old advice down their throats is not necessarily going to be the best advice for them -- because they have other issues that contribute to the overall situation. And such issues aren't "pretty darn rare".
I don't think anyone wants to be one of these "special snowflakes". I sure as heck know that I wish I wasn't one. But, perhaps, had I gotten better advice and information early on, I wouldn't have wasted so much time and effort pushing that syphian boulder up the hill. I would have learned earlier how to work smarter and not necessarily harder.
That's all I'm trying to get out there -- that there are legitimate reasons for difficulties people have and people like you and the other poster that malign them, insist that their "pretty darn rare" or belittle people by calling them special snowflakes, etc. does not help the problem. It only encourages ignorance and unnecessary shame rather than helping them.0 -
Fair enough, but the reasons don't change the fact that people will have to burn more calories than they eat to lose weight, whatever it takes to accomplish that for them.That's all I'm trying to get out there -- that there are legitimate reasons for difficulties people have and people like you and the other poster that malign them, insist that their "pretty darn rare" or belittle people by calling them special snowflakes, etc. does not help the problem. It only encourages ignorance and unnecessary shame rather than helping them.0 -
Fair enough, but the reasons don't change the fact that people will have to burn more calories than they eat to lose weight, whatever it takes to accomplish that for them.That's all I'm trying to get out there -- that there are legitimate reasons for difficulties people have and people like you and the other poster that malign them, insist that their "pretty darn rare" or belittle people by calling them special snowflakes, etc. does not help the problem. It only encourages ignorance and unnecessary shame rather than helping them.
Yes, and no. Yess people people need to burn more calories than they consume as a general rule.
But, when you have faulty biological reactions taking place, that can considerably alter the balance of that equation. So, even though they're consuming at a considerable deficit, they won't see weight loss in the same manner, and sometimes at all. That's why vitamin deficiencies, certain medications and hormonal balances are so important. It's not just your straightforward CICO calculation when you have misfiring biochemical reactions. The body has considerable survival mechanisms for a reason.0 -
I never said I was debating or not debating this...I am not debating the CICO thing with you.
I was just clarifying your numbers...since you left important facts out.
such as losing weight can help the prediabetics...prevent or delay...and may never have to deal with insulin etc.
such as 12% "WILL" develop thyroid issues but not neccessarily hypo..but could be hyper...which isn't an issue for weight loss...adrenal issues usually cause problems with keeping weight on, cushings causes weight gain in the face etc but is rare 10-15 in every million...
Reality is perception and without all the facts and data realitiy (perceptions) can be skewed.
These issues are not as common as you want other to believe....nor do they all make losing weight difficult...and there are lots of success stories to prove that as well....
I don't know how what I said was incorrect.
To diabetes, I said:35% of the adult US population -- or 79 million --- has prediabetes
8% -- or 25 million -- has full blow diabetes
And you said:•25.8 million Americans have diabetes — 8.3 percent of the U.S. population. Of these, 7 million do not know they have the disease.
•It is estimated that 79 million adults aged 20 and older have prediabetes. Prediabetes is a condition where blood glucose levels are higher than normal but not high enough to be called diabetes. Studies have shown that by losing weight and increasing physical activity people can prevent or delay prediabetes from progressing to diabetes.
You really think there is a significant difference there? Really?
To thyroid issues, I said:12% of adults will have a thyroid condition some point in their lives
20 million in US population have some form of thyroid disease (60% of which are undiagnosed)...
8% has a thyroid disorder, most of which are undiagnosed. Since both lead to weight gain (well, hypothyroid does), there's probably an even higher percentage in the overweight population. That's NOT rare.
And you said:And out of the 20million that have some sort of thyroid issue there is also the hyper form which causes weight loss and even the ATA says "More than 12 percent of the U.S. population will develop a thyroid condition during their lifetime."
That doesn't mean they have it now...
Once again, you think that's substantively different? Really?
The whole point is that these issues aren't RARE, not that diet and exercise will be futile. I never said any such thing, nor implied it. It just means that people with these issues have greater challenges to weight loss and maintenance. So, just shoving the same old advice down their throats is not necessarily going to be the best advice for them -- because they have other issues that contribute to the overall situation. And such issues aren't "pretty darn rare".
I don't think anyone wants to be one of these "special snowflakes". I sure as heck know that I wish I wasn't one. But, perhaps, had I gotten better advice and information early on, I wouldn't have wasted so much time and effort pushing that syphian boulder up the hill. I would have learned earlier how to work smarter and not necessarily harder.
That's all I'm trying to get out there -- that there are legitimate reasons for difficulties people have and people like you and the other poster that malign them, insist that their "pretty darn rare" or belittle people by calling them special snowflakes, etc. does not help the problem. It only encourages ignorance and unnecessary shame rather than helping them.
I never said your numbers were incorrect tho....try not to read to much into what is typed or put words in my mouth
The difference is this...
Which you neglected to add to your information...meaning that yes there are lots that have prediabetes but that doesn't mean that they will get diabetes if they lose weightPrediabetes is a condition where blood glucose levels are higher than normal but not high enough to be called diabetes. Studies have shown that by losing weight and increasing physical activity people can prevent or delay prediabetes from progressing to diabetes.
and as far a issues with thryroid issues you neglected to mention the lose of weight is an issue for a certian type...not just weight gain and that the 20million could have "issues" in their lifetime not at this time...not that they do but could and since there are extreme in both sides. Oversight I am sure.
As well what I said was that they may not be extremely rare but they are not as extensively felt by the general population as your numbers are indicating...and I say that just based on what you put in your first post...which was just numbers, didn't mention the fact that hyper doesn't cause weight gain and that prediabetes does not mean you can't lose weight...or that it will turn to diabetes...
Quote from meI was just clarifying your numbers...since you left important facts out.
And we aren't talking about 40% of the US population at this point in time...since the 20 million with thyroid issues is stated "could have"...not do have..that is the way in which it is sliced..."could have"...which means out of that 20million it is possible less than 1% have issues each year and they are treated and it's under control etc...because a lifetime is well over 20 years...so 20million over an average life of 80 years...pretty small number now...
As well if people have issues with the above and ask questions about intake and want help they need to disclose it up front...so that advice for them can be given based on medical conditions...otherwise they are treated just like everyone else and given the advice that works for 80-90% of the people who asked for it here...why because those with medical issues will typically be consulting with a doctor.
so in short...I didn't say your numbers were wrong I just added information to them so that realitity (perception) wasn't altered due to inadequate data...and yes 20million in their lifetime is significantly different than 20million at this moment...makes the percentages much smaller...and if people want advice then they should disclose upfront to get advice for them.
So again just clarifying your information with more information...not disputing or debating...0 -
You do realize that adding just the diabetes and prediabetes numbers is over 40% of the US adult population, right?
And, yes, I never said it was impossible for people with diabetes or prediabetes to lose weight, but you realize when people have these conditions it is often much more difficult to lose weight, right?
And that a significant amount of them are undiagnosed (1/3 of those with diabetes -- I'm not sure how many with prediabetes)?
That's a lot of "special snowflakes".0 -
I don't consider myself a special snowflake because I have a harder time losing weight because of my medications and what causes the need for them. I consider my mother a snowflake, however, because she has no thyroid and they can't find the right balance of medication for her yet.
Some people have problems that they let impede their weight loss while others have problems they don't have control over but try their best anyway to lose weight, like my mother. My mother is a HUGE inspiration for me because of what she's accomplished with all the impediments she has. If I could be like anyone, I'd be like her because she doesn't let anything stop her and she always tries.
For me, I just have to be as diligent as possible otherwise I won't lose weight and I will instead gain it. My medical problems won't stop me, just slow me, and I will troop on.
Not to say people don't have difficulties, but most difficulties can be overcome with great effort.0
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