America is doomed
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Not sure how this is relevant?
Totally random to the thread :indifferent:
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The conversation heading towards the topic of homosexuality and HIV is just absurd. It really has no place here.
No one is obligated to be healthy.
No one else's habits or diet or anything are really any of your business if they didn't ask you for commentary on their life choices. If you wouldn't approve of people judging you for your sexuality, your race, your nationality, your hair color, or any other trivializing comments to pick apart your identity, then you shouldn't be doing this to other people and their diets/weights.
I beg to differ. Mothers and fathers are obligated to do the best they can to be able to care for their children. Obese parents with limited mobility and potential health risks who simply eat too much are not putting their children's well-being as a priority. Comparing people who are obese because they eat too much to homosexuals and people of other ethnicity is not really right because the later two are not problems to fix.
On another note. I live near New Haven, CT. We have some of the best pizza in the world.
Now on you "another note" statement, I know when you say some of the best pizza in the world you didn't say "the best" because you are close enough to NYC where you have been here and know we have that one in the bag.
I beg to differ---Italy has the best pizza in the world!
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The conversation heading towards the topic of homosexuality and HIV is just absurd. It really has no place here.
No one is obligated to be healthy.
No one else's habits or diet or anything are really any of your business if they didn't ask you for commentary on their life choices. If you wouldn't approve of people judging you for your sexuality, your race, your nationality, your hair color, or any other trivializing comments to pick apart your identity, then you shouldn't be doing this to other people and their diets/weights.
I beg to differ. Mothers and fathers are obligated to do the best they can to be able to care for their children. Obese parents with limited mobility and potential health risks who simply eat too much are not putting their children's well-being as a priority. Comparing people who are obese because they eat too much to homosexuals and people of other ethnicity is not really right because the later two are not problems to fix.
On another note. I live near New Haven, CT. We have some of the best pizza in the world.
Now on you "another note" statement, I know when you say some of the best pizza in the world you didn't say "the best" because you are close enough to NYC where you have been here and know we have that one in the bag.
I beg to differ---Italy has the best pizza in the world!
Strangely enough genuine italian pizza is pretty boring0 -
The conversation heading towards the topic of homosexuality and HIV is just absurd. It really has no place here.
No one is obligated to be healthy.
No one else's habits or diet or anything are really any of your business if they didn't ask you for commentary on their life choices. If you wouldn't approve of people judging you for your sexuality, your race, your nationality, your hair color, or any other trivializing comments to pick apart your identity, then you shouldn't be doing this to other people and their diets/weights.
I beg to differ. Mothers and fathers are obligated to do the best they can to be able to care for their children. Obese parents with limited mobility and potential health risks who simply eat too much are not putting their children's well-being as a priority. Comparing people who are obese because they eat too much to homosexuals and people of other ethnicity is not really right because the later two are not problems to fix.
On another note. I live near New Haven, CT. We have some of the best pizza in the world.
Now on you "another note" statement, I know when you say some of the best pizza in the world you didn't say "the best" because you are close enough to NYC where you have been here and know we have that one in the bag.
I beg to differ---Italy has the best pizza in the world!
Strangely enough genuine italian pizza is pretty boring
Are you sure??? Ever been here? You do know pizza was born in Naples? Maybe you have strange tastes. :laugh:0 -
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No one is obligated to be healthy.
No one else's habits or diet or anything are really any of your business if they didn't ask you for commentary on their life choices. If you wouldn't approve of people judging you for your sexuality, your race, your nationality, your hair color, or any other trivializing comments to pick apart your identity, then you shouldn't be doing this to other people and their diets/weights.
I beg to differ. Mothers and fathers are obligated to do the best they can to be able to care for their children. Obese parents with limited mobility and potential health risks who simply eat too much are not putting their children's well-being as a priority. Comparing people who are obese because they eat too much to homosexuals and people of other ethnicity is not really right because the later two are not problems to fix.
On another note. I live near New Haven, CT. We have some of the best pizza in the world.
First off, kids don't make "personal choice" when it comes to diet. You're way off topic.
HOWEVER, you're still ignoring the fact that weight is not a direct indicator of health, especially in children. Also that many poor families have children and being fat is healthier than starving, since underweight kids are a significantly higher risk for immidiate death and life-long bone and nutrition problems.
Let's also remember that kids of any age and weight can be any weight and relatively healthy, that most kids are pretty active at school and that PE is required in most states up through high school.
Again, WEIGHT is not a direct indication of HEALTH. A fat healthy kid has the right to not be taken away from his loving family. A fat unhealthy kid also has just as much right to stay with his family as a skinny, unhealthy kid. We don't strip juvenile cancer patients away from contact with their families, and since weight alone doesn't cause ill health, it's unfair to make such hateful assumptions about parents based on LOOKING at them without actually TALKING with them.
You can concern troll all you want. I don't see you actively fighting for the children beyond pseudo internet "concern" for strangers I doubt you try to help.
However, this post is about doomed America, etc. Not parental rights (or lack there of) and let's try to refocus the discussion without derailing anymore.
I would suggest that you read a TIME article published last month on obese children. It's a real eyeopener, these kids are diabetics at 12. They tire easily, and have diseases of much older folks----I would argue that this trend would doom America.
I was a fat kid.
I was a diabetic kid.
I tired easily as a kid.
I mostly played videogames as a kid.
My BMI was about 28 for most of my life.
It has nothing to do with my weight. I was born with underlying medical issues that made it hard for me to exercise. I still tire easily. I am constantly anemic. I still have diabetes. I have a "healthy" BMI.
I'm not saying being fat is healthy. I'm saying being fat isn't equivilent to being unhealthy. I also mentioned that class and health have a connection, and that I'm tired of people stigmatizing human bodies by sight and not by habit.
I'm a nurse. I see thin unhealthy people all the time. I see fat and healthy people all the time. The weight alone isn't the issue and it's not accurate at all to claim it is.0 -
Actually, I tend to agree.
I've been quite disappointed by the pizza I've found in Italy.
All too often it's just, say, cheese or tomato. No, that's not cheese AND tomato, but OR!
As it goes, also a bit disappointed by both the pasta I had when I was last there AND the caeser salad - and one of the big reasons I went that way was to have some nice Italian food!
HOWEVER, the cheese I got in the Swiss alps was THE. BEST. THING. EVER. - a mature Gruyère or similar (picked at random due to 'communication' issues. Seriously; I was gutted when my £400 motorcycle sat nav was stolen from my van mostly because it had the tracks stored showing where I stopped to get the cheese!
Also, the very expensive chocolatey *thingy* I got in Martingy (bottom of the St Bernard pass) was exquisite.0 -
Actually, I tend to agree.
I've been quite disappointed by the pizza I've found in Italy.
All too often it's just, say, cheese or tomato. No, that's not cheese AND tomato, but OR!
As it goes, also a bit disappointed by both the pasta I had when I was last there AND the caeser salad - and one of the big reasons I went that way was to have some nice Italian food!
HOWEVER, the cheese I got in the Swiss alps was THE. BEST. THING. EVER. - a mature Gruyère or similar (picked at random due to 'communication' issues. Seriously; I was gutted when my £400 motorcycle sat nav was stolen from my van mostly because it had the tracks stored showing where I stopped to get the cheese!
Also, the very expensive chocolatey *thingy* I got in Martingy (bottom of the St Bernard pass) was exquisite.
Wait. You had something stolen from your van in Italy?
According to the MFP forums, this kind of crime is exclusively an american thing. (Was probably nabbed by an american tourist.)0 -
Nope, it was stolen a few years later in the 51st state...
UK, West Yorkshire.
If you ever feel you have too many "nice things", I strongly suggest you visit, whereupon, no doubt you'll be soon relieved of them!
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Actually, since many of the fast food chains are trying to expand in Asian and other parts of the world, America may not be doomed if we can get enough people from other parts of the world eat American fast food. Like a line out of a mid 1980's movie goes: "Fast food... It speeds your way to the grave."0
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There has been a lot of discussion about obesity and food. But I found a direct correlation between cities with the most obesity and cities with the most car use per capita. I remember the days when we all pigged out on any food we wanted and obesity was seldom seen; cars were seldom seen as well. I then read about an annual race in Wales where horses run against men in a 23 mile race. In 2004 men actually started winning. The human body is designed for long distance endurance running, not sitting motionless inside a tin box burning gasoline.0
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Eating more calories per capita while sitting on *kitten* more = fat *kitten*.0
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Science.0
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Actually, since many of the fast food chains are trying to expand in Asian and other parts of the world, America may not be doomed if we can get enough people from other parts of the world eat American fast food. Like a line out of a mid 1980's movie goes: "Fast food... It speeds your way to the grave."
You know what else was a popular phrase in the 80s? Eating fat makes you fat. Of course, just like your line, the supposed causation in this has also been thoroughly debunked by research.0 -
Actually, I tend to agree.
I've been quite disappointed by the pizza I've found in Italy.
All too often it's just, say, cheese or tomato. No, that's not cheese AND tomato, but OR!
As it goes, also a bit disappointed by both the pasta I had when I was last there AND the caeser salad - and one of the big reasons I went that way was to have some nice Italian food!
HOWEVER, the cheese I got in the Swiss alps was THE. BEST. THING. EVER. - a mature Gruyère or similar (picked at random due to 'communication' issues. Seriously; I was gutted when my £400 motorcycle sat nav was stolen from my van mostly because it had the tracks stored showing where I stopped to get the cheese!
Also, the very expensive chocolatey *thingy* I got in Martingy (bottom of the St Bernard pass) was exquisite.
I have had pizza in Rome, Sorrento, and Milan area and I thought that it was really freaking good …now, they do not tend to go exotic on the toppings like we do stateside, but I still thought it was a very good, if basic, pizza…0 -
two slices of pizza, which may not even make me full in one meal, can spoil my whole day's effort in diet. Tons of sugar and carbohydrate means my other meals should be almost sugar free, which is impossible. For this, pizza is my most hateful food ever, ever, ever.0
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two slices of pizza, which may not even make me full in one meal, can spoil my whole day's effort in diet. Tons of sugar and carbohydrate means my other meals should be almost sugar free, which is impossible. For this, pizza is my most hateful food ever, ever, ever.
this is sarcasm, I hope..?
one slice of pizza is like 300 calories..I can make a homemade one for 200 cals a slice….So 400 cals is going to ruin your day??
you can easily eat pizza and fit it into your deficit for the day, and your macros…
there is nothing wrong with carbs and sugar...0 -
Hubs and I eat a ridiculously delicious meat lovers pizza every other week (not the whole thing....I eat 2 slices and I work out 5-6 days a week, so it fits in). It's got bacon, pepperoni, hamburger, sausage, and salami.
I do ask the pizzeria to throw on peppers and onions. I have lost 1 lb. per week while enjoying an occasional treat like this.
The key is moderation. It's why the French can eat butter, cheese, and cream and the Italians can eat pasta, cheese and bread without being overweight.
I will say that Americans have easier access to a wider variety of foods, and fast foods, than most other countries. We just have to get our portion sizes down!0 -
I had five slices Friday, pepperoni, red and green peppers, red onions, and jalapenos with ranch on each slice. lol
Because I do not indulge often when I want to go hard I do so without guilt. lol
I know. I know. Five slices shouldn't be the norm for most of you but thank goodness I can do it! LOL0 -
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I bought this, very disappointed. does not work very well.0 -
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two slices of pizza, which may not even make me full in one meal, can spoil my whole day's effort in diet. Tons of sugar and carbohydrate means my other meals should be almost sugar free, which is impossible. For this, pizza is my most hateful food ever, ever, ever.
this is sarcasm, I hope..?
one slice of pizza is like 300 calories..I can make a homemade one for 200 cals a slice….So 400 cals is going to ruin your day??
you can easily eat pizza and fit it into your deficit for the day, and your macros…
there is nothing wrong with carbs and sugar...
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I agree that it's a portion problem. Take the KFC Go Cup, for instance. It's being marketed as a quick "snack," but it's more than enough food to be a full blown meal.0
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Mothers and fathers are obligated to do the best they can to be able to care for their children. Obese parents with limited mobility and potential health risks who simply eat too much are not putting their children's well-being as a priority.
My mum is classed as "obese" and also has limited mobility because of unrelated health problems. She put my wellbeing above her own at all times. You seriously have some absolute nerve to imply that obesity makes you a bad, negligent or selfish parent...weight has nothing to do with one's parenting skills. Your comment is disgustingly offensive.
You're taking it way too personally. If we're going to talk about general obesity, individual outlying stories are always going to exist.
I'm not taking it personally; it is a personal topic. And it's not an outlier. I was just using my mum as the example I am most familiar with. However, I am sure that *everyone* knows obese parents who are excellent parents. And I'm sure everyone knows the occasional bad parent and I will almost guarantee their ineptitude has nothing to do with their size. You are the one making absurd and sweeping generalisations based on some ridiculous prejudice you have against fat people. Meanwhile, I won't hold my breath waiting for evidence that obese people somehow don't prioritise their children's well-being because of their obesity...like what. That doesn't even make sense. Please just stop talking.0 -
lol We had pizza last night and I still managed to lose 2lbs last week. The pizza itself is definitely not the problem. Like others have said, it's the portions. Take Taco Bell when they have the $5 boxes. My hubby and I will split a box between us for lunch and it's enough to fill us both up. We're sitting there half-bloated marveling that people (some we know) can sit and eat the whole thing. Sometimes we'll do Subway footlongs and have half for lunch and the other half for dinner. It's all about choices. 0
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IMO, America is not Doomed...I would say a majority are not educated on healthy living, etc. But whatever, sounds like you wanted that pizza0
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The OP's pizza is nothing compared to Domino's new pizza with breaded chicken as the crust, LOL.0
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Mothers and fathers are obligated to do the best they can to be able to care for their children. Obese parents with limited mobility and potential health risks who simply eat too much are not putting their children's well-being as a priority.
My mum is classed as "obese" and also has limited mobility because of unrelated health problems. She put my wellbeing above her own at all times. You seriously have some absolute nerve to imply that obesity makes you a bad, negligent or selfish parent...weight has nothing to do with one's parenting skills. Your comment is disgustingly offensive.
You're taking it way too personally. If we're going to talk about general obesity, individual outlying stories are always going to exist.
I'm not taking it personally; it is a personal topic. And it's not an outlier. I was just using my mum as the example I am most familiar with. However, I am sure that *everyone* knows obese parents who are excellent parents. And I'm sure everyone knows the occasional bad parent and I will almost guarantee their ineptitude has nothing to do with their size. You are the one making absurd and sweeping generalisations based on some ridiculous prejudice you have against fat people. Meanwhile, I won't hold my breath waiting for evidence that obese people somehow don't prioritise their children's well-being because of their obesity...like what. That doesn't even make sense. Please just stop talking.
You've already made up your mind. You're just another person who denies the health problems obesity causes. Never said fat parents are bad parents, I said fat parents that are fat simply because they eat too much are obligated to try and be in the best shape they can be (my original comment was based on the "nobody is obligated to be healthy" post.). Stop letting emotion control your life and re-read my original post because you are still taking this too personally. But I can't change your mind, and I won't bother to try anymore.0
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