America is doomed

jofjltncb6

I agree that it's a portion problem. Take the KFC Go Cup, for instance. It's being marketed as a quick "snack," but it's more than enough food to be a full blown meal.

It's not even a portion problem. It's a consistently-eating-too-many-calories problem...or said another (unpopular) way, it's a self-control problem.

Before I even started counting calories, during a time when I did not have a weight problem at all, I frequently ate TWO Subway footlongs for a meal...$10 worth of Taco Bell...20-piece McNuggets...and various other ridiculous "portions" of food. However, on average, I simply didn't eat more calories than I burned. (Not that I was tracking this to know but because I maintained the same weight.) It would have been disingenuous for me to blame the businesses selling a particular size when I was buying multiple orders.

GertrudeHorse

Mothers and fathers are obligated to do the best they can to be able to care for their children. Obese parents with limited mobility and potential health risks who simply eat too much are not putting their children's well-being as a priority.

My mum is classed as "obese" and also has limited mobility because of unrelated health problems. She put my wellbeing above her own at all times. You seriously have some absolute nerve to imply that obesity makes you a bad, negligent or selfish parent...weight has nothing to do with one's parenting skills. Your comment is disgustingly offensive.

You're taking it way too personally. If we're going to talk about general obesity, individual outlying stories are always going to exist.

I'm not taking it personally; it is a personal topic. And it's not an outlier. I was just using my mum as the example I am most familiar with. However, I am sure that *everyone* knows obese parents who are excellent parents. And I'm sure everyone knows the occasional bad parent and I will almost guarantee their ineptitude has nothing to do with their size. You are the one making absurd and sweeping generalisations based on some ridiculous prejudice you have against fat people. Meanwhile, I won't hold my breath waiting for evidence that obese people somehow don't prioritise their children's well-being because of their obesity...like what. That doesn't even make sense. Please just stop talking.

You've already made up your mind. You're just another person who denies the health problems obesity causes. Never said fat parents are bad parents, I said fat parents that are fat simply because they eat too much are obligated to try and be in the best shape they can be (my original comment was based on the "nobody is obligated to be healthy" post.). Stop letting emotion control your life and re-read my original post because you are still taking this too personally. But I can't change your mind, and I won't bother to try anymore.

Way to go with the continued sweeping generalisations based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever. Anyone who says "you're just another person who..." after two interactions is clearly not making informed judgements.

You said obese parents with limited mobility who ate too much were somehow "not prioritising their children's well being", the implication being that their obesity was somehow making them a bad parent. That is frankly bovine excrement. Stretching your argument further, do you similarly judge disabled parents with limited mobility? Are they unable to prioritise their children's well-being too? Or does your judgement only apply to people you deem responsible for their own health problems? (A dichotomy that again illustrates how woefully simplistic your understanding of obesity is).

Also way to go with the gas-lighting, twisting my comments and making out that I'm overly emotional or sensitive. I am neither (well not at the present point in time). But you sadly seem determined to remain a nasty and judgemental person. I wish you well.

NOMORECARS

There has been a lot of discussion about obesity and food. But I found a direct correlation between cities with the most obesity and cities with the most car use per capita. I remember the days when we all pigged out on any food we wanted and obesity was seldom seen; cars were seldom seen as well. I then read about an annual race in Wales where horses run against men in a 23 mile race. In 2004 men actually started winning. The human body is designed for long distance endurance running, not sitting motionless inside a tin box burning gasoline.

Post the research you did and how you came to your conclusions.

Start posting actual facts you can back up or stop trolling.

This is only one random study of dozens I have found which point to the same thing:

CHAMPAIGN, Ill. — Junk food, video games and a lack of exercise all have received their fair share of blame for the spiraling epidemic of obesity in the U.S. But according to a University of Illinois researcher, public health enemy No. 1 for our supersized nation may very well be the one staple of modern life most Americans can't seem to live without one (or more) of: the automobile.

Sheldon H. Jacobson, a professor of computer science and the director of the simulation and optimization laboratory at Illinois, says that the surge in passenger vehicle usage in the U.S. between the 1950s and today may be associated with surging levels of obesity.

"You can think of obesity as an energy imbalance," Jacobson said. "People consume food, which is a form of energy, and then they expend it in their activities. But if you look over the last 60-plus years, the automobile has become our primary mode of transportation – so much so, in fact, we have literally designed our way of life around it. It is that energy imbalance that ultimately may lead to obesity."

To analyze the relationship between obesity and vehicle use, Jacobson and students Douglas M. King and Rong Yuan looked at annual vehicle miles traveled per licensed driver as a surrogate measure for a person's total sedentary time.

Previously, Jacobson studied the effects of extra driver and passenger weight due to growing obesity trends in the U.S. causing excessive fuel consumption.

Jacobson said this new study reverse-engineers the relationship between weight and driving.

"What we did before was based on physics: You add more weight to a vehicle, it consumes more gasoline, and we burn more gasoline on an aggregate level," he said. "This then raises the question, 'Is the reverse true?' If we drive more, are we going to become heavier as a nation?"

After analyzing data from national statistics measured between 1985 and 2007, Jacobson discovered vehicle use correlated "in the 99-percent range" with national annual obesity rates.

"If we drive more, we become heavier as a nation, and the cumulative lack of activity may eventually lead to, at the aggregate level, obesity," he said.

Jacobson chose annual vehicle miles traveled as a proxy for a person's sedentary time because inactivity is most obvious when you are sitting in a car.

"When you are sitting in a car, you are doing nothing, so your body is burning the least amount of energy possible," he said. "And if you are eating food in your car, it becomes even worse."

The sedentary lifestyle that automobile use enables coupled with the prevalent role it plays in increasing the sprawl of our cities, towns and suburbs is the "societal price we pay for always being in a rush to get places," Jacobson said.

"For the last 60-plus years, we've literally built our society around the automobile and getting from point A to point B as quickly as we can. Because we choose to drive rather than walk or cycle, the result is an inactive, sedentary lifestyle. Not coincidentally, obesity also became a public health issue during this period."

Before the automobile became such a prevalent mode of transportation for the vast majority of Americans, "it took much more energy just to live," Jacobson said.

"The way our communities were built, the way we bought and prepared our food, even the heating and cooling systems in our living environments – just about everything took more physical energy. Over time, that has been eliminated."

Similarly, in developing nations that are just beginning to incorporate passenger vehicles into their way of life, obesity is on the rise.

"In places like China and India, where the automobile is increasingly competing with cycling and walking as a mode of transportation, they are observing more obesity," Jacobson said.

Jacobson, who also holds appointments as a professor of industrial and enterprise systems engineering, of civil and environmental engineering, and of pediatrics in the College of Medicine at Illinois, says researchers and policymakers have not focused as aggressively as they should have on the automobile as a potential culprit of obesity.

"As a society, what we should be doing is encouraging activity in our daily routines," Jacobson said. "Ironically, the obstacle to that is the automobile. So what we really need to think about is how we use cars. What we really have to do is look at the system of issues that affect obesity, and come up with a national policy that covers all of these issues to address obesity. If we try to solve these societal problems in a vacuum, we will continue to get poor outcomes and make limited progress in addressing these issues."

To push the limits of their analysis, Jacobson and his team hypothesized how obesity could be eliminated completely through driving less.

"To completely eliminate obesity, every driver would have to reduce their driving by about 12 miles per day, which is around a third of the average daily miles traveled in the United States," Jacobson said. "But here's the catch: We have to still do everything we are currently doing."

How do we continue to do what we have been doing and still eliminate obesity?

"It's effectively impossible," Jacobson said. "But if every licensed driver reduced their travel by one mile per day, in six years the adult obesity rate would be 2.16 percent lower. In other words, almost 5 million fewer adults would be classified as obese based on the 2007 adult population. At the aggregate, if we drive less, not only will our carbon footprint be smaller, we will also lose more weight as a nation."

Ultimately, Jacobson said, we are going to have to rethink the way we use our automobiles if we want to address obesity.

"We have had 60-plus years of infrastructure that has facilitated the obesity epidemic," he said. "How do you turn that around overnight? You don't. But you can make some changes. I am not convinced that tactical interventions like taking soda machines out of schools and adding 15 minutes of recess time will have an enduring impact. I do believe we need to re-think how we live as a society and effect policy changes that strategically focus on the root problems, not just the symptoms."

The results of Jacobson's research were published in an article titled "A Note on the Relationship Between Obesity And Driving" in the journal Transport Policy.

I HOPE THIS SHUTS UP PEOPLE ONCE AND FOR ALL WHO INSIST ON CALLING ME A TROLL

NOMORECARS

There has been a lot of discussion about obesity and food. But I found a direct correlation between cities with the most obesity and cities with the most car use per capita. I remember the days when we all pigged out on any food we wanted and obesity was seldom seen; cars were seldom seen as well. I then read about an annual race in Wales where horses run against men in a 23 mile race. In 2004 men actually started winning. The human body is designed for long distance endurance running, not sitting motionless inside a tin box burning gasoline.

Post the research you did and how you came to your conclusions.

Start posting actual facts you can back up or stop trolling.

History of the race
Competitors in the 2006 Man versus Horse Marathon

The event started in 1980,[3] when local landlord Gordon Green overheard a discussion between two men in his pub, the Neuadd Arms.[4] One man suggested that over a significant distance across country, man was equal to any horse. Green decided that the challenge should be tested in full public view, and organised the first event.

The first woman to run the race was Ann King in 1981. In 1982, the route of the course was amended slightly to give a more even match between the competitors. The course is slightly shorter than a traditional marathon at a reported 22 miles, but over rougher terrain. In 1985, cyclists were allowed to compete too - and that year, U.S. ladies' champion cyclist Jacquie Phelan narrowly lost to the first horse. In 1989, British cyclist Tim Gould beat the first horse by three minutes - the first time that a horse was beaten by a human in the race.

In 2004, the 25th race was won by Huw Lobb in 2 hours, 5 minutes and 19 seconds. It was the first time that a man racing on foot has won the race, thereby winning the prize fund of £25,000 ($31,786.40) (which had been growing by £1,000 each year from the race's inception until claimed by a winning runner). The year's race also saw the highest ever number of competitors; 500 runners and 40 horses.[1] The feat was repeated in 2007, when human competitors outpaced the first equine competitor by up to 11 minutes.[5]

The 2009 race was marred by controversy when the organizers deducted time spent in the 'vet checks' from the horse times in addition to the 15 minutes for the delayed start of the horses. The deduction of this additional time enabled the horse to triumph by 8 minutes, instead of being defeated by 2. Whilst the organizers at the time claimed that the time spent in the vet check (which is not accurately monitored on a horse-by-horse basis) had always been deducted, this had not occurred in previous years.[6] The fastest runner, Martin Cox, refused to accept the winners trophy in protest at the decision. Following protests from other competitors, the organizers reverted to the previously followed rules of only deducting 15 minutes for the 2010 edition of the race. However, despite Haggai Chepkwony running the fastest time since Huw Lobb's record breaking effort in 2004, a horse triumphed by 10 minutes. 2011 was most certainly the year of the Horse with a number of very good riders and horses competing.The underfoot conditions favoured the hoof over the shoe. However some very good times were recorded by the front runners considering wetness of the track. First Rider was Beti Gordon riding Next in Line Grangeway whilst first runner home was Charlie Pearson from London.

2012 saw the return of Huw Lobb, the runner who first beat the horse and landed £25,000 as a bonus. His winning time was, however, considerably down on his winning time from 2004. Coming 3rd in the Cork Marathon just five days earlier may have contributed to his running slower than perhaps he might. In 2013, extensive forestry works meant the organizers had to modify the route considerably, resulting in a course of nearly 24 miles, instead of the usual route of just under 21 miles. Despite a very hot day, the longer and hillier course favoured the horses, with 2011 winner Beti Gordon comfortably beating the first man Hugh Aggleton.

The 2013 race attracted an entry of 65 horses, with 44 completing the course, enabling it to lay claim to being "the world's largest horse race".
Winners of the race
Year Winner Fastest Horse Fastest Runner Weather Conditions Going
2013 Horse Beti Gordon on Next in line Grangeway (2:18:03)[7] Hugh Aggleton (2:46:25)[7] Hot Good
2012 Horse Iola Evans on Rheidol Star (2:00:51)[8] Huw Lobb (2:25:57)[8] Cloudy Very Heavy
2011 Horse Beti Gordon on Next in line Grangeway (2:08:37)[9] Charlie Pearson (2:25:45)[9] Rain/Sun/Windy Heavy
2010 Horse Llinos Mair Jones on Sly Dai (2:07:04)[10] Haggai Chepkwony (2:17:27)[10] Hot Good to Soft
2009 Horse Geoffrey Allen on Dukes Touch of Fun (2:11:43)[11] Martin Cox (2:20:02)[11] Hot Heavy
2008 Horse Geoffrey Allen on Dukes Touch of Fun (2:18:13)[3][12] John Macfarlane (2:18:43)[3][12] Hot Good to Soft
2007 Human Geoffrey Allen on Lucy (2:31:26)[13] Florian Holzinger (2:20:30)[13] Hot Good to Firm
2006 Horse Denise Meldrum on Tarran Bay (2:10:29)[14] Haggai Chepkwony (2:19:06)[14] Warm Soft
2005 Horse Lise Cooke on Gifted Lady (02:19:11)[15] Stephen Goulding (02:33:22)[15] Unknown Unknown
2004 Human Zoe White on Kay Bee Jay (2:07:36)[16] Huw Lobb (2:05:19)[16] Hot Unknown
2003 Horse Robyn Petrie-Ritchie on Druimguiga Shemal (2:02:01)[17] Mark Croasdale (2:19:02)[17] Unknown Unknown
2002 Horse Robyn Petrie-Ritchie on Druimguiga Shemal (2:02:23)[18] James McQueen (2:18:52)[18] Unknown Unknown
2001 Horse Heather Evans on Royal Mikado (2:08:06) Martin Cox (2:17:17) Unknown Unknown
2000 Horse Heather Evans on Royal Mikado (2:08) Mark Croasdale (2:10) Unknown Unknown
1999 Horse Jackie Gilmour on Ruama (1:58)[19] Mark Palmer (2:16)[19] Unknown Unknown
1998 Horse Jackie Gilmour on Ruama (1:46)[19] Stuart Major (2:16)[19] Unknown Unknown
1997 Horse Megan Lewis on unknown (1:52)[19] Paul Cadwallader (2:09)[19] Unknown Unknown
1996 Horse Ken Mapp on Ahmaar (1:57)[19] Mark Palmer (2:12)[19] Unknown Unknown
1995 Horse Ken Mapp on Ahmaar (1:57)[19] Paul Cadwallader (2:06)[19] Unknown Unknown
1994 Horse Celia Tymons on Eskalabar (1:52)[19] Mark Croasdale (2:09)[19] Unknown Unknown
1993 Horse John Hudson on unknown (1:47)[19] Robin Bergstrand (2:03)[19] Unknown Unknown
1992 Horse Zoe Jennings on Hussar (1:38)[19] Derek Green (2:09)[19] Unknown Unknown
1991 Horse Zoe Jennings on Hussar (1:30)[19] Mark Croasdale (2:05)[19] Unknown Unknown
1990 Horse Ray Jenkins on The Doid and Chris Powell on Elkie (1:36)[19] Glyn Williams (2:07)[19] Unknown Unknown
1989 Horse Ray Jenkins on The Doid (1:54)[19] Mark Croasdale (2:10)[19] Unknown Unknown
1988 Horse John Davies on Mavies (1:47)[19] Mark Croasdale (2:08)[19] Unknown Unknown
1987 Horse Ray Jenkins on The Doid and Bill George on Mando (1:32)[19] Paul Wheeler (1:57)[19] Unknown Unknown
1986 Horse Nia Tudno-Jones on Jenny (1:44)[19] Fuselier Hughes (2:08)[19] Unknown Unknown
1985 Horse Nia Tudno-Jones on Jenny (1:40) David Woodhead (2:08) Unknown Unknown
1984 Horse William Jones on Solitaire (1:20) David Woodhead (2:05) Unknown Unknown
1983 Horse Ann Thomas on Nutmeg (1:26) Dic Evans (2:02) Unknown Unknown
1982 Horse Sue Thomas on Simon (2:06) Paul Brownson (2:10) Unknown Unknown
1981 Horse Clive Powell on Sultan (2:02) Dic Evans (2:24) Unknown Unknown
1980 Horse Glyn Jones on Solomon (1:27) Dic Evans (2:10) Unknown Unknown

I HOPE THIS SHUTS UP PEOPLE ONCE AND FOR ALL WHO LOVE TO CALL ME A TROLL

NOMORECARS

There has been a lot of discussion about obesity and food. But I found a direct correlation between cities with the most obesity and cities with the most car use per capita. I remember the days when we all pigged out on any food we wanted and obesity was seldom seen; cars were seldom seen as well. I then read about an annual race in Wales where horses run against men in a 23 mile race. In 2004 men actually started winning. The human body is designed for long distance endurance running, not sitting motionless inside a tin box burning gasoline.

Post the research you did and how you came to your conclusions.

Start posting actual facts you can back up or stop trolling.

LOL SOUNDS LIKE YOU WERE SITTING IN YOUR CAR WHEN YOU WROTE THIS

determinedbutlazy

I would eat that and know how much fat and how many calories I'm getting.
No food makes you overweight, too much of ANY food makes you fat.
Moderation.

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NOMORECARS

There has been a lot of discussion about obesity and food. But I found a direct correlation between cities with the most obesity and cities with the most car use per capita. I remember the days when we all pigged out on any food we wanted and obesity was seldom seen; cars were seldom seen as well. I then read about an annual race in Wales where horses run against men in a 23 mile race. In 2004 men actually started winning. The human body is designed for long distance endurance running, not sitting motionless inside a tin box burning gasoline.

Post the research you did and how you came to your conclusions.

Start posting actual facts you can back up or stop trolling.

http://borntorun.org/

Lost_Zen

DOOMED!!!!!

NOMORECARS

there is nothing wrong with sugar...

Please back up this statement with some facts or studies or research. Or are you just trolling?

paperpudding

BillBrytan, I don't think anyone is disputing your horse vs man race exists so not sure what your copy and paste proves - or how that is relevant to the topic at all.

sathor

No, the pepperoni and bacon are not the problem, it's the crust.

Seriously, some thin crust pizzas are not that high for an entire pizza, but a thick pan style crust will destroy calorie counts for the day. Now, in full cycling season, that isn't a problem, in winter though....

tigersword

BillBrytan, I don't think anyone is disputing your horse vs man race exists so not sure what your copy and paste proves - or how that is relevant to the topic at all.

It proves that he has no idea how to interpret data? It shows the human winning twice, and both times it was because the horse ran a much slower time than the average horse times. Meanwhile the human runners are basically running at a winning marathon pace, although far off a record setting pace. The humans weren't getting faster, they were just selecting slower horses. Then again, the "study" he posted was a newspaper article instead of a study, so draw your own conclusions.

NOMORECARS

BillBrytan, I don't think anyone is disputing your horse vs man race exists so not sure what your copy and paste proves - or how that is relevant to the topic at all.

MrM27 called me a troll and challenged me to back up my post with facts and research.

wishflower

What's poutine? I thought Canada had beer, maple syrup, cheese (IDK why), and hockey.

Don't forget Tim Hortons too! Which if course, does have its US locations as well. Like every other block where I'm at.

Yagisama

Please tell me this thread is a joke. There is no possible way the OP can really be this uneducated, is there?

So pepperoni and bacon on a pizza? And? What's the problem? It has meat? What's wrong with fat? What if I'm a marathon runner and need 8000 calories a day? Why are calories bad?

In the UK there is (or was, not sure if it's still a thing,) a pizza with cheeseburgers in the crust.

Will Italy be doomed because of a pepperoni and bacon pizza? Because they eat them all the time...

This may be the most uneducated, ignorant thread I've ever read.

Ha! I was thinking the same exact thing when I read the original post! :laugh:

sunman00

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18781786

Yagisama

Please tell me this thread is a joke. There is no possible way the OP can really be this uneducated, is there?

So pepperoni and bacon on a pizza? And? What's the problem? It has meat? What's wrong with fat? What if I'm a marathon runner and need 8000 calories a day? Why are calories bad?

In the UK there is (or was, not sure if it's still a thing,) a pizza with cheeseburgers in the crust.

Will Italy be doomed because of a pepperoni and bacon pizza? Because they eat them all the time...

This may be the most uneducated, ignorant thread I've ever read.

You are misinformed about Italy. They don't eat pepperoni & bacon pizza all the time. Pepperoni maybe every once in a while.....and bacon never, because it's an American thing. Also, Italians on average are not overweight, because practicing moderation is actually done there by most people....all the time.
And this : " This may be the most uneducated, ignorant thread I've ever read " makes me laugh because it's the pot calling the kettle black, but I agree with you.....:o).

I've had plenty of salami and prosciutto pizza in Italy. But yeah they don't eat them all the time. For one, eating unhealthy is a lot more expensive in Italy.

I visit Japan often and a small dominoes pizza there is equivalent to $30 so even if I wanted to, I probably couldn't overdo pizza there for cost reasons. :laugh:

SuperstarDJ

I haven't read all the replies so I'm probably repeating a point already made, but as a European who has had the pleasure of visiting the US on a number of occasions, I think one of the biggest problems is portion sizes. Not just eating out, but I also noticed it when I shopped in the supermarkets, e.g. the largest 'family' box of cornflakes that we get over here pales in comparison to the US version. A friend of mine worked in an office in NY and every morning 36 doughnuts were delivered to an office of 10 people. When I did office work here, croissants were delivered, but only for very early morning meetings and there was one ordered for each person. Only a few were ever eaten.

From what I saw, nobody seems to walk anywhere either. Perhaps it's because fuel is so much cheaper, but I was very surprised at that.

AsaThorsWoman

Then we'd have black market pizza. But we'd be flagged if one person bought all the ingredients so we'd have to split the shopping list and then meet somewhere underground with an oven.

Being Frank, you sound like a zealot who would want the government to come in and regulate it because you think people are too stupid to make choices for themselves.

"M'am, we're gonna need to see some ID for that Italian seasoning. Please sign the electronic signature pad and be aware you can only legally purchase this product once per month."

^^
PS I live in Oklahoma where this is actually what you have to do to buy sinus meds.

Yagisama

two slices of pizza, which may not even make me full in one meal, can spoil my whole day's effort in diet. Tons of sugar and carbohydrate means my other meals should be almost sugar free, which is impossible. For this, pizza is my most hateful food ever, ever, ever.

this is sarcasm, I hope..?

one slice of pizza is like 300 calories..I can make a homemade one for 200 cals a slice….So 400 cals is going to ruin your day??

you can easily eat pizza and fit it into your deficit for the day, and your macros…

there is nothing wrong with carbs and sugar...

That quote reminds me of an old Monty Python sketch where John Cleese plays Hitler. :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlmGknvr_Pg (6:25)

chloematilds

america is fat because food is.oversized, including those that serve healthier options

take for example the burgers here. did you know that the kiddie size is the regular size burger in asia? the smallest soda in the us is actually the biggest in asia.

it.also does not help that people no longer eat family style so kids will learn portion size!

Sunitagt

america is fat because food is.oversized, including those that serve healthier options

take for example the burgers here. did you know that the kiddie size is the regular size burger in asia? the smallest soda in the us is actually the biggest in asia.

it.also does not help that people no longer eat family style so kids will learn portion size!

I ate a burger last week and still lost weight. I can eat a whole meal at a restaurant and still lose in a week. Think for yourself, that's why we're here isn't it? To take responsibility for ourselves? You can't blame the food industry for making Americans fat. No one is forcing you to go to McDonalds and eat everything in front of you. You totally have the option to ignore the restaurants and eat at home. The vast majority of the time, I do.

And I don't know what you mean by not eating family style? How does eating family style teach portion sizes when you could dish out as much as you want?

SuperstarDJ

america is fat because food is.oversized, including those that serve healthier options

take for example the burgers here. did you know that the kiddie size is the regular size burger in asia? the smallest soda in the us is actually the biggest in asia.

it.also does not help that people no longer eat family style so kids will learn portion size!

I ate a burger last week and still lost weight. I can eat a whole meal at a restaurant and still lose in a week. Think for yourself, that's why we're here isn't it? To take responsibility for ourselves? You can't blame the food industry for making Americans fat. No one is forcing you to go to McDonalds and eat everything in front of you. You totally have the option to ignore the restaurants and eat at home. The vast majority of the time, I do.

And I don't know what you mean by not eating family style? How does eating family style teach portion sizes when you could dish out as much as you want?

Exactly. But as you said, that's why you're here. Prior to joining MFP, how was your relationship with food/portion sizes/eating out? There really is no need for such large portions. If it's put in front of you, you are more likely to eat it and people often have the mentality that "if I've paid for it, then I'm going to eat it all".

abadvat

if it fits them macros - eat that s*^t!!

Thomasm198

Homemade pizza topped with: mozzerella, chedder, bell peppers, chillis, onion, garlic, and chicken.


Blame the portions, don't blame the food.

snowflake954

No one is obligated to be healthy.


No one else's habits or diet or anything are really any of your business if they didn't ask you for commentary on their life choices. If you wouldn't approve of people judging you for your sexuality, your race, your nationality, your hair color, or any other trivializing comments to pick apart your identity, then you shouldn't be doing this to other people and their diets/weights.

I beg to differ. Mothers and fathers are obligated to do the best they can to be able to care for their children. Obese parents with limited mobility and potential health risks who simply eat too much are not putting their children's well-being as a priority. Comparing people who are obese because they eat too much to homosexuals and people of other ethnicity is not really right because the later two are not problems to fix.

On another note. I live near New Haven, CT. We have some of the best pizza in the world.

The conversation heading towards the topic of homosexuality and HIV is just absurd. It really has no place here.

Now on you "another note" statement, I know when you say some of the best pizza in the world you didn't say "the best" because you are close enough to NYC where you have been here and know we have that one in the bag.

I beg to differ---Italy has the best pizza in the world!

Strangely enough genuine italian pizza is pretty boring

Are you sure??? Ever been here? You do know pizza was born in Naples? Maybe you have strange tastes. :laugh:

Have you ever been here?

Oh yes.......I was born "here" and moved to Italy when I was 30. So I've tasted both--what say the others, who've tasted both?

pyrowill

There shouldn't be confusion over why so many Americans are overweight when a popular pizza chain advertises on the radio a new "double pepperoni and bacon" pizza. I'm sure most people who eat something like that don't know or care how much fat and calories they are getting. The restaurant would say they are just giving people what they want.

I didn't think there was any confusion as to why Americans are overweight.

eldamiano

There shouldn't be confusion over why so many Americans are overweight when a popular pizza chain advertises on the radio a new "double pepperoni and bacon" pizza. I'm sure most people who eat something like that don't know or care how much fat and calories they are getting. The restaurant would say they are just giving people what they want.

In the UK, there are plenty of programmes and press releases on problems in America. I believe around 10 years ago some Americans tried to sue McDonalds for their obesity. Supposedly, they ate huge meals their every day after McDonalds allegedly gave them the impression that they served healthy food. Confusion ain't the problem. Ignorance and denial is.

Then there are American TV programmes glorifying the eating challenges at restaurants, whereas at the same time, there are other programmes showing record levels of people wanting gastric bands.

Confusion is not the problem. Severe ignorance is, especially if schools are providing chocolate milk as a 'healthy source of protein'.

snowflake954

Actually, I tend to agree.

I've been quite disappointed by the pizza I've found in Italy.
All too often it's just, say, cheese or tomato. No, that's not cheese AND tomato, but OR!

As it goes, also a bit disappointed by both the pasta I had when I was last there AND the caeser salad - and one of the big reasons I went that way was to have some nice Italian food!

HOWEVER, the cheese I got in the Swiss alps was THE. BEST. THING. EVER. - a mature Gruyère or similar (picked at random due to 'communication' issues. Seriously; I was gutted when my £400 motorcycle sat nav was stolen from my van mostly because it had the tracks stored showing where I stopped to get the cheese!

Also, the very expensive chocolatey *thingy* I got in Martingy (bottom of the St Bernard pass) was exquisite.

Sorry for your disappointment. If you think Italy has "Ceasar Salad" I can see why you were left wanting--it isn't real Itallian. Any place that has it caters to tourists not Italians. Strange about your pizza, we go to pizzarias all over here and many have 50 varieties of pizza. Next time you plan on coming down to visit ask me and I'll give you some advice.