To much protein makes you gain???
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Too much protein, which causes a calorie excess would be converted to body fat. The nitrogen is released in the urine. But, protein, fat and carbs can all be converted into fat.So, then the goal would be to get what you need based on your weight and activity levels right? As, excess protein just plain gets excreted. You don't "hang onto it for later" so, what would be the point in consuming way over your needs on a regular basis? Maybe I am missing the point?
It used to be thought that excess protein is hrd on the kidneys but that has been disproven, at least with normal kidney function.
All the people doing Atkins and ketosis have found that high protein/high fat is a great way to decrease appetite and lose weight.
In the literature there is some evidence that low carb diets do work better than simply counting calories. Probably due to the appetite suppression.0 -
Personally I've found that too much protein does make me gain on the scale and fast. During maintenance I decided to keep my calories the same but up my protein from 80g ( I only have around 80lbs of lean mass) to between 100-120g a day as I was training hard. I found I gained a couple of lbs a week which obviously couldn't be muscle and my waist increased by over 2 inches. After 3 or 4 weeks I was getting discouraged and I dropped the protein back down, the weight and inches came off again. As I said, this has been my personal experience and I'm no expert on these matters. I think the trick with any change to diet or exercise regime is to monitor what is happening to your body and adjust accordingly.0
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This is somewhat misleading in that the amount of protein one would need to consume to damage the kidneys would be extremely high and it would need to go on for several years. Most people simply wouldn't have the stomach to eat enough protein to cause damage to the kidneys.Calorie deficit is the key. Now when it comes to too much protein, you're not going to gain weight if you're still in a deficit, and your body just excretes the excess protein. This isn't a big deal if it happens on occasion, but eating significantly more protein than you need over a long period of time can be a bit taxing on your kidneys.
*edited to say that was my understanding form the Nutrition course I just took, but I'm still learning, and there are some great resources if you google scholar it.
I see what you are saying. In my Nutrition textbook it basically stated that excessive protein over a long period of time could be hard on the kidneys and that more research was needed. Then I read these two articles: http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/25
http://www.jbc.org/content/71/1/139.short
And what I got from these articles is that excessive protein doesn't appear to be an issue with a healthy person. I also, don't see a point i constant excessive consumption though because you just get rid of it when you pee.
I think I am understanding this correctly, but I'm open and interested in learning.
But, I guess back to the original question, calorie surplus is what causes weight gain.0 -
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protein has a lot of calories so it can,
it depends on how much muscle you have0 -
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1550-2783-7-S1-P21.pdf
just a little study I found about calorie cycling. I do not have article saved because I have done so much research in the pass and which is the reason why exercise science is my new minor.0 -
I eat at least my body weight in protein since I started lifting, and I am still eating in a deficit to lose. My loss has slowed down because I also started eating more, but maintaining a smaller deficit as I get closer to my goal. It is good to keep your muscle, harder to get it back than to keep it in the first place.
me to except I eat about 120g based on LBM but I do treat that as a minumum.
My loss has slowed as well...upped to 1800 recently.0 -
I have seen moderate gains in muscle mass while losing weight. Nothing spectacular. though. I do agree that it is best to take a focused approach. And target fat loss or muscle growth separately. There is a reason bodybuilders use a bulk/cut cycle. That being said while I haven't seen much muscle growth I have seen significant improvements in muscle strength and stamina. And the muscle is harder and less jelly like to feel when tensed. So it's not as if lifting while losing weight has no muscular benefit. Let alone what it does for your metabolic hormones. And your sex drive. I tells ya I get horny as a randy goat after a decent lifting session.0
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http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1550-2783-7-S1-P21.pdf
just a little study I found about calorie cycling. I do not have article saved because I have done so much research in the pass and which is the reason why exercise science is my new minor.
The study doesn't mention whether this is "better" than when keeping at a steady deficit. It's comparisons are more within itself based on one group doing calorie cycling on high carbs versus high protein.0 -
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A "High Protein Diet" is based upon poor, meat & dairy industry based research. Those two food industries are the major lobbiest for the food industry in Washington D.C. They are also the greatest contributors to research, greatly distorting our general knowledge of diet and nutrition.
Protein is less calorie dense than fat, and slightly more calorie dense than starches. They are quite a lot more calorie dense than vegetables.
So on a protein diet you will eat a lot less food. If you add fat (any oil) to your meal, it will leave you feeling more satisfied but far less healthy.
Additionally, protein's building block is the amino acid. Notice protein is acid. The molecules are formed in a way that we do not feel the acid prior to the protein molecules being broken down by digestion. And this important why? Because, as an acid, when placed in the human body without the buffer of plenty of starch, our body must adjust to reduce the acid, bringing back our slightly alkaline healthy base. And this is important why? Because it buffers this protein acid by taking the calcium from our bones.
So, now we have been on a "Protein Almighty" path, trusting the biased studies, instead of pure science and what do we have? A modern society plagued with osteoporosis. The next thing sold to us is milk for it's calcium. And milk has just enough calcium to offset the extra acid from it's protein. Hmmm.
Who are the scientists, (as opposed to diet doctors), who are only interested in human health and the science and historical sociological histories shedding light on what humans really should eat?
There are some really great minds of our times and some well recognized names, like,
Dean Ornish, John McDougall, Neal Barnard, Caldwell Esselstyn, Nathan Pritikin, T. Collin Campbell et al... et al.
The best way to get it all in a clearly explained and even entertaining way is from John McDougall.
Having said that, I am now about to listen to myself (isn't that who we really lecture to??) and google Dr. McDougall (inadvertant rhyme :-) I am going to return to healthy habits, (starch based diet, consistent, moderate exercise, meditation and simple recipes and schedule)
All this said, I have been eating meat and added fat. Needless to say my weight has been up for a few years. I'm retiring!!! and about to enter Act III of life. My new job is to eat simply (my own museli with raw oatmeal/almond milk/cinnamon, potatoes with salsa and hummus, lentils from my favorite Greek restaurant, soups, vegies, half of a plate of salad with each meal and two pieces of fruit each day. Oh yeah! Horiatiki salad at the Cafe Athena in Pacific Beach, i.e. San Diego).
Anyone want to join me????
Whatever you eat, to your health and enjoy the journey!0 -
A "High Protein Diet" is based upon poor, meat & dairy industry based research. Those two food industries are the major lobbiest for the food industry in Washington D.C. They are also the greatest contributors to research, greatly distorting our general knowledge of diet and nutrition.
Protein is less calorie dense than fat, and slightly more calorie dense than starches. They are quite a lot more calorie dense than vegetables.
So on a protein diet you will eat a lot less food. If you add fat (any oil) to your meal, it will leave you feeling more satisfied but far less healthy.
Additionally, protein's building block is the amino acid. Notice protein is acid. The molecules are formed in a way that we do not feel the acid prior to the protein molecules being broken down by digestion. And this important why? Because, as an acid, when placed in the human body without the buffer of plenty of starch, our body must adjust to reduce the acid, bringing back our slightly alkaline healthy base. And this is important why? Because it buffers this protein acid by taking the calcium from our bones.
So, now we have been on a "Protein Almighty" path, trusting the biased studies, instead of pure science and what do we have? A modern society plagued with osteoporosis. The next thing sold to us is milk for it's calcium. And milk has just enough calcium to offset the extra acid from it's protein. Hmmm.
Who are the scientists, (as opposed to diet doctors), who are only interested in human health and the science and historical sociological histories shedding light on what humans really should eat?
There are some really great minds of our times and some well recognized names, like,
Dean Ornish, John McDougall, Neal Barnard, Caldwell Esselstyn, Nathan Pritikin, T. Collin Campbell et al... et al.
The best way to get it all in a clearly explained and even entertaining way is from John McDougall.
Having said that, I am now about to listen to myself (isn't that who we really lecture to??) and google Dr. McDougall (inadvertant rhyme :-) I am going to return to healthy habits, (starch based diet, consistent, moderate exercise, meditation and simple recipes and schedule)
All this said, I have been eating meat and added fat. Needless to say my weight has been up for a few years. I'm retiring!!! and about to enter Act III of life. My new job is to eat simply (my own museli with raw oatmeal/almond milk/cinnamon, potatoes with salsa and hummus, lentils from my favorite Greek restaurant, soups, vegies, half of a plate of salad with each meal and two pieces of fruit each day. Oh yeah! Horiatiki salad at the Cafe Athena in Pacific Beach, i.e. San Diego).
Anyone want to join me????
Whatever you eat, to your health and enjoy the journey!
Um...I think you need to do a bit more research into amino acids.0 -
So....this thread is going down "that" direction now...
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So....this thread is going down "that" direction now...
Yup. And amusing since there is a guy on here with a PhD that just this past week debunked someone's claim that amino acids cause osteoporosis.0 -
If you want t to state that something works for you, that there clearly is no supporting evidence for and say you will continue doing it then fine. But to promote it on to others and then when you are pressed for answers you say "Well it works for me" or "read this Tnation" article is irresponsible and not doing any service to the members looking for help.
^^^that right there ^^^
I disagree but its ok.
It's cool if you disagree, but you're wrong...if you cycle calories, you're basically running at maintenance in the aggregate meaning that you're doing recomposition which is a very slow way to lose fat and gain muscle simultaneously. You can't trick your body...
Don't knock till you try. I have tried all kinds of weight loss plan. Now I found one that works.
You trick your body to get out of a plateau. That why people changes workouts because body gets used to it. So If im wrong but it works then I will keep doing the wrong thing.
I already you don't like my opinions or respect them for that matter because I like to challenge you on your false preconceived notions and you can't properly debate due to lack of proper understanding. However, regardless of you feelings I will continue to press you until you start providing facts as I'm sure others will.
It actually awesome to see someone question other people advice because people then go and research and I don't know about if they message you to say you correct or thanks for talking in forum. I have a lot of people that come to me to say hey your T Nation article you put it is exactly what happen to me thank you.0 -
It actually awesome to see someone question other people advice because people then go and research and I don't know about if they message you to say you correct or thanks for talking in forum. I have a lot of people that come to me to say hey your T Nation article you put it is exactly what happen to me thank you.
doesn't make your statements correct, just means that there are sadly a lot of gullible people who take random posts (without any proof) as facts. Your only argument so far has been "it works for me, so it's true".0 -
eating too much = weight/fat gain ..
if you eat too much and eat protein you gain ..
if you eat less then you burn, and eat protein you lose ..
protein really has nothing to do with it….0 -
It actually awesome to see someone question other people advice because people then go and research and I don't know about if they message you to say you correct or thanks for talking in forum. I have a lot of people that come to me to say hey your T Nation article you put it is exactly what happen to me thank you.
doesn't make your statements correct, just means that there are sadly a lot of gullible people who take random posts (without any proof) as facts. Your only argument so far has been "it works for me, so it's true".
These people do there own research once they realize there is more to calories in calories out. If it was that easy then there would not be a obese epidemic that is so hard to cure seeing how heart disease is the number one killer in the USA. Why would there be so many post of people that use MFP, they some what enter in calories or they just can't read, and cannot lose weight.0 -
It actually awesome to see someone question other people advice because people then go and research and I don't know about if they message you to say you correct or thanks for talking in forum. I have a lot of people that come to me to say hey your T Nation article you put it is exactly what happen to me thank you.
doesn't make your statements correct, just means that there are sadly a lot of gullible people who take random posts (without any proof) as facts. Your only argument so far has been "it works for me, so it's true".
These people do there own research once they realize there is more to calories in calories out. If it was that easy then there would not be a obese epidemic that is so hard to cure seeing how heart disease is the number one killer in the USA. Why would there be so many post of people that use MFP, they some what enter in calories or they just can't read, and cannot lose weight.
lol…so you are saying there are people that eat less then they burn and still gain?
at the end of the day it is still basic math and physics and no one defies that ..not matter what you "claim" to know….0 -
It actually awesome to see someone question other people advice because people then go and research and I don't know about if they message you to say you correct or thanks for talking in forum. I have a lot of people that come to me to say hey your T Nation article you put it is exactly what happen to me thank you.
doesn't make your statements correct, just means that there are sadly a lot of gullible people who take random posts (without any proof) as facts. Your only argument so far has been "it works for me, so it's true".
These people do there own research once they realize there is more to calories in calories out. If it was that easy then there would not be a obese epidemic that is so hard to cure seeing how heart disease is the number one killer in the USA. Why would there be so many post of people that use MFP, they some what enter in calories or they just can't read, and cannot lose weight.
lol…so you are saying there are people that eat less then they burn and still gain?
at the end of the day it is still basic math and physics and no one defies that ..not matter what you "claim" to know….
There are a lot of people that post that claim they eat 1200 calories and workout however many times they do and cannot see the scale move. Mst people answers are your not logging in correct so to me if I had that problem then your telling me that I cannot read the nutrition facts that are on every single food that is in the store.0 -
I've not been on these forums long but your advice is consistently poor IMO. It will confuse new people and isn't supported by anything then your own anecdotes. You make claims that get throughly refuted and debunked by multiple members every time you post. Please either bring some actual research based evidence to your claims or stop making them. You are really only doing a disservice to those trying to learn.It actually awesome to see someone question other people advice because people then go and research and I don't know about if they message you to say you correct or thanks for talking in forum. I have a lot of people that come to me to say hey your T Nation article you put it is exactly what happen to me thank you.
doesn't make your statements correct, just means that there are sadly a lot of gullible people who take random posts (without any proof) as facts. Your only argument so far has been "it works for me, so it's true".
These people do there own research once they realize there is more to calories in calories out. If it was that easy then there would not be a obese epidemic that is so hard to cure seeing how heart disease is the number one killer in the USA. Why would there be so many post of people that use MFP, they some what enter in calories or they just can't read, and cannot lose weight.
lol…so you are saying there are people that eat less then they burn and still gain?
at the end of the day it is still basic math and physics and no one defies that ..not matter what you "claim" to know….
There are a lot of people that post that claim they eat 1200 calories and workout however many times they do and cannot see the scale move. Mst people answers are your not logging in correct so to me if I had that problem then your telling me that I cannot read the nutrition facts that are on every single food that is in the store.0 -
It actually awesome to see someone question other people advice because people then go and research and I don't know about if they message you to say you correct or thanks for talking in forum. I have a lot of people that come to me to say hey your T Nation article you put it is exactly what happen to me thank you.
doesn't make your statements correct, just means that there are sadly a lot of gullible people who take random posts (without any proof) as facts. Your only argument so far has been "it works for me, so it's true".
These people do there own research once they realize there is more to calories in calories out. If it was that easy then there would not be a obese epidemic that is so hard to cure seeing how heart disease is the number one killer in the USA. Why would there be so many post of people that use MFP, they some what enter in calories or they just can't read, and cannot lose weight.
lol…so you are saying there are people that eat less then they burn and still gain?
at the end of the day it is still basic math and physics and no one defies that ..not matter what you "claim" to know….
There are a lot of people that post that claim they eat 1200 calories and workout however many times they do and cannot see the scale move. Mst people answers are your not logging in correct so to me if I had that problem then your telling me that I cannot read the nutrition facts that are on every single food that is in the store.
Some people cannot read the nutrition labels properly. Others are not measuring their portions correctly. Then there are the people who are not honest and accurate about their logging. On the other side of the energy equation, some are overestimating their calorie burns from exercise, or they have a medical condition that impacts how they burn calories. It really is calories in vs calories out.0 -
I've not been on these forums long but your advice is consistently poor IMO. It will confuse new people and isn't supported by anything then your own anecdotes. You make claims that get throughly refuted and debunked by multiple members every time you post. Please either bring some actual research based evidence to your claims or stop making them. You are really only doing a disservice to those trying to learn.It actually awesome to see someone question other people advice because people then go and research and I don't know about if they message you to say you correct or thanks for talking in forum. I have a lot of people that come to me to say hey your T Nation article you put it is exactly what happen to me thank you.
doesn't make your statements correct, just means that there are sadly a lot of gullible people who take random posts (without any proof) as facts. Your only argument so far has been "it works for me, so it's true".
These people do there own research once they realize there is more to calories in calories out. If it was that easy then there would not be a obese epidemic that is so hard to cure seeing how heart disease is the number one killer in the USA. Why would there be so many post of people that use MFP, they some what enter in calories or they just can't read, and cannot lose weight.
lol…so you are saying there are people that eat less then they burn and still gain?
at the end of the day it is still basic math and physics and no one defies that ..not matter what you "claim" to know….
There are a lot of people that post that claim they eat 1200 calories and workout however many times they do and cannot see the scale move. Mst people answers are your not logging in correct so to me if I had that problem then your telling me that I cannot read the nutrition facts that are on every single food that is in the store.
You are correct that I must be confusing a lot of people during their weight loss. I will stop using T Nation as my guide.0 -
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A "High Protein Diet" is based upon poor, meat & dairy industry based research. Those two food industries are the major lobbiest for the food industry in Washington D.C. They are also the greatest contributors to research, greatly distorting our general knowledge of diet and nutrition.
Protein is less calorie dense than fat, and slightly more calorie dense than starches. They are quite a lot more calorie dense than vegetables.
So on a protein diet you will eat a lot less food. If you add fat (any oil) to your meal, it will leave you feeling more satisfied but far less healthy.
Additionally, protein's building block is the amino acid. Notice protein is acid. The molecules are formed in a way that we do not feel the acid prior to the protein molecules being broken down by digestion. And this important why? Because, as an acid, when placed in the human body without the buffer of plenty of starch, our body must adjust to reduce the acid, bringing back our slightly alkaline healthy base. And this is important why? Because it buffers this protein acid by taking the calcium from our bones.
So, now we have been on a "Protein Almighty" path, trusting the biased studies, instead of pure science and what do we have? A modern society plagued with osteoporosis. The next thing sold to us is milk for it's calcium. And milk has just enough calcium to offset the extra acid from it's protein. Hmmm.
Who are the scientists, (as opposed to diet doctors), who are only interested in human health and the science and historical sociological histories shedding light on what humans really should eat?
There are some really great minds of our times and some well recognized names, like,
Dean Ornish, John McDougall, Neal Barnard, Caldwell Esselstyn, Nathan Pritikin, T. Collin Campbell et al... et al.
The best way to get it all in a clearly explained and even entertaining way is from John McDougall.
Having said that, I am now about to listen to myself (isn't that who we really lecture to??) and google Dr. McDougall (inadvertant rhyme :-) I am going to return to healthy habits, (starch based diet, consistent, moderate exercise, meditation and simple recipes and schedule)
All this said, I have been eating meat and added fat. Needless to say my weight has been up for a few years. I'm retiring!!! and about to enter Act III of life. My new job is to eat simply (my own museli with raw oatmeal/almond milk/cinnamon, potatoes with salsa and hummus, lentils from my favorite Greek restaurant, soups, vegies, half of a plate of salad with each meal and two pieces of fruit each day. Oh yeah! Horiatiki salad at the Cafe Athena in Pacific Beach, i.e. San Diego).
Anyone want to join me????
No, Ma'am!!
Do you even log?
And, To Your Health
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just over eating in any food group will make you gain weight0
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I've read that entire article and it's complete hokum. T nation is the Broscience capital of the Internet! Their training articles can sometimes be decent but their nutritional articles are equally hokum!0 -
I've read that entire article and it's complete hokum. T nation is the Broscience capital of the Internet! Their training articles can sometimes be decent but their nutritional articles are equally hokum!
so bring some articles that counter that article so I can read them.0
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