A simple thought on how to set a calorie goal

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  • SGM_Adonis
    SGM_Adonis Posts: 1,565 Member
    Bro, you're on my FL. Don't make me delete you wtih this nonsensical bulls$1t.

    (Is your right arm bent on that deadlift in your avi or is it just a camera angle thing???)

    Yes, this photo is about six months old....right around the time I first started doing deadlifts. The form has gotten considerably more technical.

    Ah, good...because I felt a twinge in my bicep just looking at that pic.

    This is coming from a guy w/ chronic elbow tendonosis though, so, you know, stones and glass houses and all that.

    I was too focused on trying to explode back then, so you can actually see my feet almost on tip toes for a deadlift. I think right here it's only 325 so it isn't too bad, but definitely can't curl or drive like that now that I'm past that weight. Thanks for the concern.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    Bro, you're on my FL. Don't make me delete you wtih this nonsensical bulls$1t.

    (Is your right arm bent on that deadlift in your avi or is it just a camera angle thing???)

    Yes, this photo is about six months old....right around the time I first started doing deadlifts. The form has gotten considerably more technical.

    Ah, good...because I felt a twinge in my bicep just looking at that pic.

    This is coming from a guy w/ chronic elbow tendonosis though, so, you know, stones and glass houses and all that.

    I was too focused on trying to explode back then, so you can actually see my feet almost on tip toes for a deadlift. I think right here it's only 325 so it isn't too bad, but definitely can't curl or drive like that now that I'm past that weight. Thanks for the concern.

    Yeah, the real danger in that (as you likely already know) is if the weight is heavy enough to straighten your arm under load...because bicep tendons don't like that.

    ...and no worries. We're all here for the same reason...which is to critique the flaws we see in other members...(or something like that).

    :drinker:
  • SGM_Adonis
    SGM_Adonis Posts: 1,565 Member
    Bro, you're on my FL. Don't make me delete you wtih this nonsensical bulls$1t.

    (Is your right arm bent on that deadlift in your avi or is it just a camera angle thing???)

    Yes, this photo is about six months old....right around the time I first started doing deadlifts. The form has gotten considerably more technical.

    Ah, good...because I felt a twinge in my bicep just looking at that pic.

    This is coming from a guy w/ chronic elbow tendonosis though, so, you know, stones and glass houses and all that.

    I was too focused on trying to explode back then, so you can actually see my feet almost on tip toes for a deadlift. I think right here it's only 325 so it isn't too bad, but definitely can't curl or drive like that now that I'm past that weight. Thanks for the concern.

    Yeah, the real danger in that (as you likely already know) is if the weight is heavy enough to straighten your arm under load...because bicep tendons don't like that.

    ...and no worries. We're all here for the same reason...which is to critique the flaws we see in other members...(or something like that).

    :drinker:

    In that case sir, you should definitely do more exercises for your face. You need some work on that mug.

    :drinker:
  • Aaron_K123
    Aaron_K123 Posts: 7,122 Member
    Bro, you're on my FL. Don't make me delete you wtih this nonsensical bulls$1t.

    (Is your right arm bent on that deadlift in your avi or is it just a camera angle thing???)

    Yes, this photo is about six months old....right around the time I first started doing deadlifts. The form has gotten considerably more technical.

    Ah, good...because I felt a twinge in my bicep just looking at that pic.

    This is coming from a guy w/ chronic elbow tendonosis though, so, you know, stones and glass houses and all that.

    I was too focused on trying to explode back then, so you can actually see my feet almost on tip toes for a deadlift. I think right here it's only 325 so it isn't too bad, but definitely can't curl or drive like that now that I'm past that weight. Thanks for the concern.

    Yeah, the real danger in that (as you likely already know) is if the weight is heavy enough to straighten your arm under load...because bicep tendons don't like that.

    ...and no worries. We're all here for the same reason...which is to critique the flaws we see in other members...(or something like that).

    :drinker:

    In that case sir, you should definitely do more exercises for your face. You need some work on that mug.

    :drinker:

    lol well at least something good came out of this post
  • mccindy72
    mccindy72 Posts: 7,001 Member
    Bro, you're on my FL. Don't make me delete you wtih this nonsensical bulls$1t.

    (Is your right arm bent on that deadlift in your avi or is it just a camera angle thing???)

    Yes, this photo is about six months old....right around the time I first started doing deadlifts. The form has gotten considerably more technical.

    Ah, good...because I felt a twinge in my bicep just looking at that pic.

    This is coming from a guy w/ chronic elbow tendonosis though, so, you know, stones and glass houses and all that.

    I was too focused on trying to explode back then, so you can actually see my feet almost on tip toes for a deadlift. I think right here it's only 325 so it isn't too bad, but definitely can't curl or drive like that now that I'm past that weight. Thanks for the concern.

    Yeah, the real danger in that (as you likely already know) is if the weight is heavy enough to straighten your arm under load...because bicep tendons don't like that.

    ...and no worries. We're all here for the same reason...which is to critique the flaws we see in other members...(or something like that).

    :drinker:

    Fun with flaws!
  • sodakat
    sodakat Posts: 1,126 Member
    There is a similar "thought" on this page: http://calorieline.com/tools/tdee (under the heading TDEE Continued: Mary and the Diet Roller Coaster)
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    Bro, you're on my FL. Don't make me delete you wtih this nonsensical bulls$1t.

    (Is your right arm bent on that deadlift in your avi or is it just a camera angle thing???)

    Yes, this photo is about six months old....right around the time I first started doing deadlifts. The form has gotten considerably more technical.

    Ah, good...because I felt a twinge in my bicep just looking at that pic.

    This is coming from a guy w/ chronic elbow tendonosis though, so, you know, stones and glass houses and all that.

    I was too focused on trying to explode back then, so you can actually see my feet almost on tip toes for a deadlift. I think right here it's only 325 so it isn't too bad, but definitely can't curl or drive like that now that I'm past that weight. Thanks for the concern.

    Yeah, the real danger in that (as you likely already know) is if the weight is heavy enough to straighten your arm under load...because bicep tendons don't like that.

    ...and no worries. We're all here for the same reason...which is to critique the flaws we see in other members...(or something like that).

    :drinker:

    In that case sir, you should definitely do more exercises for your face. You need some work on that mug.

    :drinker:

    Ouch!

    I hope your right arm falls off.


    (ETA: But seriously, I LiterallyLedOL. :laugh: )
  • Aaron_K123
    Aaron_K123 Posts: 7,122 Member
    Alright all mea culpa time. I posted this as an alternative to TDEE -20% because I've seen many people who aren't that overweight take that approach who shouldn't and end up with a calorie level that has them way undereating. Of course with the method I described, which basically approaches the set calories from the other end, you get a similar issue for people who are obese where they would be eating way to little.

    Fact is there is no "one size fits all" set of rules for setting calories and really my "overcomplicated" post was an oversimplification that would be bad advice to some.

    So nevermind, scratch that...will put it in my dustbin.

    Let the gifs continue.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    Alright all mea culpa time. I posted this as an alternative to TDEE -20% because I've seen many people who aren't that overweight take that approach who shouldn't and end up with a calorie level that has them way undereating. Of course with the method I described, which basically approaches the set calories from the other end, you get a similar issue for people who are obese where they would be eating way to little.

    Fact is there is no "one size fits all" set of rules for setting calories and really my "overcomplicated" post was an oversimplification that would be bad advice to some.

    So nevermind, scratch that...will put it in my dustbin.

    Let the gifs continue.

    Forget the gifs...

    ...we're into some kind of "airing of grievances" derivative where we point out flaws in others.

    The lamp in your avi is a serious fire hazard.
  • Aaron_K123
    Aaron_K123 Posts: 7,122 Member
    Alright all mea culpa time. I posted this as an alternative to TDEE -20% because I've seen many people who aren't that overweight take that approach who shouldn't and end up with a calorie level that has them way undereating. Of course with the method I described, which basically approaches the set calories from the other end, you get a similar issue for people who are obese where they would be eating way to little.

    Fact is there is no "one size fits all" set of rules for setting calories and really my "overcomplicated" post was an oversimplification that would be bad advice to some.

    So nevermind, scratch that...will put it in my dustbin.

    Let the gifs continue.

    Forget the gifs...

    ...we're into some kind of "airing of grievances" derivative where we point out flaws in others.

    The lamp in your avi is a serious fire hazard.

    So is your face! <bawls and runs out of the room crying>
  • YesIAm17
    YesIAm17 Posts: 817 Member
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    But but...I put the TLDR version.

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  • YesIAm17
    YesIAm17 Posts: 817 Member
    Had a thought I wanted to share about how to set a calorie goal. I am not saying this is "the way" to do it its just a thought I had and wanted to get people's impressions or opinion.


    Step 1: Decide what your idealized weight would be. I know "ideal" is vague and its almost impossible to know what this is but if you measure your frame size you can ballpark this. Make sure to include the muscle / fitness level you want in your weight unless you are aiming for scrawny.

    Step 2: Determine the NEAT for a person of that size with your activity level (non exercise).

    Step 3: Eat that number of calories as your daily average. If you want to lose weight faster, exercise more. (there should be some guideline as to how much exercise would be to much, maybe don't drop your net below your BMR?)

    Step 4: As you approach your desired weight your weight loss will slow, that is okay...again you can exercise a bit more if you want.

    Step 5: When you hit your desired weight ease up to a maintenance level of exercise to keep fit and bump your calories up to match your new TDEE. Or, alternatively, if you are at your weight but not your fitness muscle level then you can keep your exercise level high to drop your bodyfat more before bumping up your calories to a slight surplus and work on bulking up to your desired weight. At this stage your "desired weight" should be a past goal and your real goal should be your general appearance and health.


    The idea behind this is basically to use your future idealized self maintenance level as your calorie goal so years down the road when you hit your goal you are basically already at maintenance and have had years of practicing eating at exactly that level...no change to your habits in order to maintain so less chance of yo-yo.

    I do not claim this as an original thought I'm sure it has been described, discussed and talked about ad nauseum by many people before me but was just curious as to what people thought of this.

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  • Aaron_K123
    Aaron_K123 Posts: 7,122 Member
    Do you have like a folder dedicated to Michael Cera on your desktop?
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    Alright all mea culpa time. I posted this as an alternative to TDEE -20% because I've seen many people who aren't that overweight take that approach who shouldn't and end up with a calorie level that has them way undereating. Of course with the method I described, which basically approaches the set calories from the other end, you get a similar issue for people who are obese where they would be eating way to little.

    Fact is there is no "one size fits all" set of rules for setting calories and really my "overcomplicated" post was an oversimplification that would be bad advice to some.

    So nevermind, scratch that...will put it in my dustbin.

    Let the gifs continue.

    Forget the gifs...

    ...we're into some kind of "airing of grievances" derivative where we point out flaws in others.

    The lamp in your avi is a serious fire hazard.

    So is your face! <bawls and runs out of the room crying>

    That escalated emotionally.

    But seriously, why the focus on my face today? My flaws go beyond just my face. (Oh, wait, maybe it's because of the avi pic I have up. Maybe I should change that...)


    edit: because tpyo
  • littlebutlean
    littlebutlean Posts: 2,159 Member
    In that case sir, you should definitely do more exercises for your face. You need some work on that mug.

    :drinker:

    Ouch!

    I hope your right arm falls off.


    (ETA: But seriously, I LiterallyLedOL. :laugh: )

    As did I .. as did I. :laugh: :laugh:
  • YesIAm17
    YesIAm17 Posts: 817 Member
    OK Seriously though... yeah I get what you are saying OP... makes sense to a certain degree and as others pointed out it was the fat2fit gospel... for me it's just overly complicated... I think most are better off with TDEE-X% and recalculating every so often.

    But kudos to you for trying to think of something better and sharing it, good intentions and all. That's more than most people do around here.

    Ok, back to gifs, did you know......
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  • KrazyDaizy
    KrazyDaizy Posts: 815 Member
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    You must be referring to Krazy Daisy. She grows on you after a while.
    I'm just going to continue to believe that by you picking on me that it means you <3 me long time. Go ahead and do this to yourself so you can feel my <3, too. Muah!
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  • mccindy72
    mccindy72 Posts: 7,001 Member
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  • YesIAm17
    YesIAm17 Posts: 817 Member
    Do you have like a folder dedicated to Michael Cera on your desktop?

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  • Annie_01
    Annie_01 Posts: 3,096 Member
    TLDR version: Eat at the maintenance level of the size and shape you want to be and eventually over time (with exercise) you will attain that size and shape.

    That is basically what I do. I don't know if it will work or not.

    According to IIFYM my goal weight stats will be...

    BMR 1241
    Sedentary 1489
    3x a week exercise 1706

    My current stats are...

    BMR 1400
    Sedentary 1680
    3x a week exercise 1925

    So my calories are set at 1600... a 300 calorie deficit...(if I don't exercise during the day I try to stay at around 1400)

    I know this last 25-30 pounds will be slow but I am okay with that. I dropped 67lbs in 9 months...so I am ready for slow!

    I will let you know if your theory works or not...I haven't been doing this long enough to determine if it will.
  • Aaron_K123
    Aaron_K123 Posts: 7,122 Member
    OK Seriously though... yeah I get what you are saying OP... makes sense to a certain degree and as others pointed out it was the fat2fit gospel... for me it's just overly complicated... I think most are better off with TDEE-X% and recalculating every so often.

    But kudos to you for trying to think of something better and sharing it, good intentions and all. That's more than most people do around here.

    Yeah I don't disagree. Wasn't aware of the fat2fit thing that was just something I pulled out of my own @ss but like I said not surprised to see it was said before like most things. Appreciate the sentiment.
  • YesIAm17
    YesIAm17 Posts: 817 Member
    OK Seriously though... yeah I get what you are saying OP... makes sense to a certain degree and as others pointed out it was the fat2fit gospel... for me it's just overly complicated... I think most are better off with TDEE-X% and recalculating every so often.

    But kudos to you for trying to think of something better and sharing it, good intentions and all. That's more than most people do around here.

    Yeah I don't disagree. Wasn't aware of the fat2fit thing that was just something I pulled out of my own @ss but like I said not surprised to see it was said before like most things. Appreciate the sentiment.

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  • QueenBishOTUniverse
    QueenBishOTUniverse Posts: 14,121 Member
    LOL! Great minds and all....

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1133500-am-i-crazy?hl=am+I+crazy?#posts-17606673
  • geebusuk
    geebusuk Posts: 3,348 Member
    Current maintenance (including weights, not including any cardio) is at least 3000 - currently 3250 and so far don't seem to be losing.
    Would have taken me a LONG time to lose weight that way.

    Picking one calorie limit and NOT lowering it does seem to make some sense - your deficit gets lower as you've got less to use.


    I'm not too convinced by the 'diet to learn good habits' - no, I'm losing weight to lose weight - I'm quite happy to 'learn' others situations as they come - as they are different situations.


    Moving from deficit to surplus required various changes for my plans - for instance worrying about fat more, as even with 1000 calories extra on workout days, when losing weight I still wasn't at a surplus it's likely.
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