BACK PAIN sufferers and conquers

Grimmerick
Grimmerick Posts: 3,342 Member
Hello all,

I have a few questions for those of you suffering from or having conquered back pain. My husband has Grade 1 (meaning small) spondylolisthesis and it is causing him all kinds of pain, everyday, all day, pain, spasms, leg weakness and tingling, and loads of Sacroiliac Joint pain and dysfunction. He has not had surgery to fuse the area because we would like to try anti inflammatories, PT and injections first to possibly calm the area enough for him to strengthen his core for lumbar stability. I have a feeling he has a very weak core, he never exercises, and now he can't. So I ask, if you suffer or suffered from back pain, what are you doing or have done all around to help ease or get rid of back pain. What did or do you find works best for you? Whether it be, ice therapy, physical therapy, injections, core strengthening, physical therapy, anti inflammatory foods, quitting smoking. If you had surgery was it successful or did you find you were in more pain or it didn't do anything? Please share and tell me your story I am open for anything. Thanks!!
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  • kd_mazur
    kd_mazur Posts: 569 Member
    I visited my chiropractor who suggested ice therapy each night and strengthening my core. She showed me some stretches and exercises to help.
  • LilithElina
    LilithElina Posts: 18 Member
    Hey emmy,

    I don't suffer from back pain, so if you don't want my suggestion, that's perfectly understandable.
    However, I am currently reading a nice e-book called Yoga for Regular Guys (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/yoga-for-regular-guys-diamond-dallas-page/1113010204?ean=9781594746888), which is kind of the ancestor to thequite popular DDPYoga program. Diamond Dallas Page (DDP, if you're not into wrestling, like me) had a back injury and used yoga to get rid of his pains. Of course, in a case like your husband's, it would be better to ask his doctor if he's allowed to do yoga, if you want to try.
  • emtjmac
    emtjmac Posts: 1,320 Member
    I have worked in EMS for 11 years and every patient I've ever talked to about a past spine surgery to fix back pain has told me it was one of the worst decisions they've ever made. Complications requiring more surgeries and worsening pain are some of the things they've mentioned. I've never met anyone who said they were happy they did it. I'm not a doctor and this is just anecdotal evidence but this is what I know from talking with my patients over the years. If it were me, I would try everything else before thinking about surgery so I think you guys are headed in the right direction. My mother lost a lot of weight and has used cortisone shots for years with decent results.

    Your doctor is the real expert and any decision you make should be in cooperation with him.
  • grimendale
    grimendale Posts: 2,153 Member
    I have lorodosis (a very mild form of scoliosis) resulting in a weak lower back, which frequently caused me back pain during the day, particularly if I was on my feet for too long. The two things I found to be the biggest help to me have been yoga early on to help with my flexibility and basic core strength and compound lifts (specifically squats and deadlifts) to strengthen my lower back. The combination has helped me a lot. He could start with basic bodyweight exercises and progress up from there as he gets stronger. Probably a good idea to talk to a PT though. They'd have better information.
  • Grimmerick
    Grimmerick Posts: 3,342 Member
    Yeah we want to avoid surgery if possible. Most pro football players have spondy's but their cores are so strong it stabilizes the slipping vertebra so much that they either don't notice or it doesnt' usually bother them much. hubs has had this spondy for years since his youth most likely and one friggin car trip down to florida 3 years ago and it has been a nightmare of pain ever since. I just don't understand and it friggin sucks.
  • AdventureFreak
    AdventureFreak Posts: 236 Member
    MSM, weight loss, chiropractic, and hydration. I have degenerating discs and osteoarthritis and that all helps. My mother had a neck fusion which led to two more in the same place and now she has lost almost all the mobility of her neck and has a lot of the same issue still.
  • Grimmerick
    Grimmerick Posts: 3,342 Member
    MSM, weight loss, chiropractic, and hydration. I have degenerating discs and osteoarthritis and that all helps. My mother had a neck fusion which led to two more in the same place and now she has lost almost all the mobility of her neck and has a lot of the same issue still.

    what's MSM?
  • joanthemom8
    joanthemom8 Posts: 375 Member
    I have done stretching exercises, which has helped greatly. There's a series on PBS (and on DVD) that's all about stretching and relieving pain... Classical Stretch. Non-impact. Really, look into it.
  • MagnumBurrito
    MagnumBurrito Posts: 1,070 Member
    Arm chair PT here. No qualifications other than solving my own back pain.

    I think he's got a find a way to build muscle around his spine.

    http://breakingmuscle.com/mobility-recovery/proof-that-functional-strength-training-cures-low-back-problems-and-pilates-wont

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    To get him help with the pain (from Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spondylolisthesis)

    "Anti-inflammatory medications (NSAIDS) in combination with acetaminophen (Tylenol) can be tried initially. If a severe radicular component is present, a short course of oral steroids such as Prednisone or Methylprednisolone can be considered. Epidural steroid injections, either interlaminarl or transforaminal, performed under fluoroscopic guidance can help with severe radicular (leg) pain. Lumbosacral orthoses may be of benefit for some patients but should be used on a temporary basis to prevent spinal muscle atrophy and loss of proprioception. "

    Also, get him a weight lifting belt. It should take some of load away from his lower spine. Try to not use it all the time, though. But definitely in the beginning.

    Here's a bunch of other articles with ideas:

    http://breakingmuscle.com/bmsearch?keys=back pain&default_text=Search

    I hope he gets better.
  • LiveLoveLift67
    LiveLoveLift67 Posts: 895 Member
    I have been suffering from back pain for 3 months now. My vertebre is bent in my lower back and pressing the nerves causing me sciatica pain. I was very active before this happened. I saw a chiropractor for 12 visits and really didnt notice a huge difference doing that except in my bank account.

    I did physical therapy and started a stretching routine and getting massages a couple times a month ( deep tissue / theraputic) and i notice a huge difference since doing that. I also went back to exercising and strengthening my core since i wasent able to exercise for over a month.

    I started with walking which was a huge help for me. I found that i had little pain when i walked and it does help the back. I bought a book on stretching and make sure that i do that several times a day. I also use ice on my back a couple times a day plus ibuprofin or advil.

    I was going to try yoga but have been hearing that if you suffer from low back pain alot of the moves can make it worse.

    I still suffer from mild pain and a spasm now and then but, doing the above things has made it less and less.

    As for foods....i noticed ( in my case) when i cut out most of the junk sugar ( sweets , cookies cakes etc) my imflamation went way down as well as not eating as much processed food. Alot of those types of foods have so many addatives etc that can cause imflamation in your cells.

    In the several weeks i spent doing nothing but , laying down and resting i felt the worst. Inactivity will make it worse. Hope it helps
  • RodaRose
    RodaRose Posts: 9,562 Member
    Yoga or Pilates.
  • GFreg
    GFreg Posts: 404
    Well I never had any severe pain or issues like your husband is experiencing, but I did have a little bit from carrying around extra weight. I was able to take Aleve and I started doing yoga. I have noticed a great improvement. I also notice that strengthening my core with squats and deadlifts was very beneficial. I am not a doctor or anything though so I can't suggest those for your husband.
  • ravenmyst
    ravenmyst Posts: 1
    I had a bulging disc that was hellish. Walking, meds (just to get out of bed) and PT were life savers. I tried the cotizone injection, but id did nothing for my back pain or the pain that shot down my legs, although it did make my butt numb for a couple days. And then it just takes a lot of time. Ice worked better for me than heat and one of those electrical pulse machines got me through the bad days. Hope this helps and my heart goes out to him. It took almost a year for mine to get better, so expect a long road.
  • sstolii123
    sstolii123 Posts: 205 Member
    Good Morning Emmy! I am a current back pain sufferer due to degeneration in my discs. First of all I am pleased to see their are some helpful suggestions above. My chiropractor recommends the following Lumbar / Core Strengthening and stability, hydration and stretching. Here is a link to exercises and stretches from Princeton University. http://www.princeton.edu/uhs/pdfs/Lumbar.pdf

    I have not had surgery or shots in the past
    My Chiro says surgery is the absolute last option!

    I would be interested in hearing results from anyone that has had shots to help with pain management!

    Regards,
    Steve
  • sstolii123
    sstolii123 Posts: 205 Member
    Arm chair PT here. No qualifications other than solving my own back pain.

    I think he's got a find a way to build muscle around his spine.

    http://breakingmuscle.com/mobility-recovery/proof-that-functional-strength-training-cures-low-back-problems-and-pilates-wont

    pic3.jpg
    pic4.jpg

    To get him help with the pain (from Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spondylolisthesis)

    "Anti-inflammatory medications (NSAIDS) in combination with acetaminophen (Tylenol) can be tried initially. If a severe radicular component is present, a short course of oral steroids such as Prednisone or Methylprednisolone can be considered. Epidural steroid injections, either interlaminarl or transforaminal, performed under fluoroscopic guidance can help with severe radicular (leg) pain. Lumbosacral orthoses may be of benefit for some patients but should be used on a temporary basis to prevent spinal muscle atrophy and loss of proprioception. "

    Also, get him a weight lifting belt. It should take some of load away from his lower spine. Try to not use it all the time, though. But definitely in the beginning.

    Here's a bunch of other articles with ideas:

    http://breakingmuscle.com/bmsearch?keys=back pain&default_text=Search

    I hope he gets better.

    Great Response!

    Thanks for the info as well!
  • cantfail
    cantfail Posts: 169 Member
    I second the Yoga recommendation. Look into DDP Yoga. It is very "guy friendly". In fact it used to be called Yoga for Regular Guys. There is a very inspirational video that went viral a couple of years ago:
    http://youtu.be/qX9FSZJu448

    Check it out. I originally looked into it for a client of mine with serious flexibility issues (I'm a trainer), but started doing it myself and I love it. The workouts are on DVD and are really great at encouraging modification based on whatever limitations you might have.
  • jeannemarie333
    jeannemarie333 Posts: 214 Member
    I am a back pain sufferer and I too have heard that surgery is a super last resort. I use Yoga, exercises, stretching, ice, massage, and am going to take the idea of core exercises from this topic and start doing them!! thanks for the topic :)
  • lexbubbles
    lexbubbles Posts: 465 Member
    I have rheumatoid arthritis. I find a hot bath helps for immediate pain relief (I pretty regularly "boil myself"). Other than that staying hydrated, eating healthily and trying not to 'over-do' it seems to stave off flare-ups and unmanageable pain for the most part.

    Building up core strength will help support the spine itself and take some of the strain away.

    Oh, and anti-inflammatory pills when necessary.

    Not sure how helpful any of that will be though since our conditions are very different.
  • BrotherBill913
    BrotherBill913 Posts: 662 Member
    I broke my spine at the L5, had to re-learn to walk, my left leg was in atrophy and I was in a wheelchair way too long. Then several years later I broke my neck at the C7 - T1 ( Motorcycles, I like to go fast :) ) Almost lost my right hand die to nerve damage. That took a longggggggg time to recover.. Have had pain on and off over the years. right now going through some stuff with knots in my upper back that really suck, lol, I go to massage therapy, the chiropractor. and do stuff at home on my own. Don't quit. Pain can really get us down, it can tear us up physically and mentally. ... Just don't quit.............
  • ccrdragon
    ccrdragon Posts: 3,373 Member
    the best thing you can do to support your back is to strengthen your core - this is from my dr - oh and drop any excess weight that you are carrying

    and just to throw an opposing point of view, my mom had 2 ruptured discs in her back repaired surgically 30+ years ago, did her pt day in and day out - still does it sometimes now just to stay flexible - and has never regretted the decision to have the surgery (had had no follow up problems at all).
  • Grimmerick
    Grimmerick Posts: 3,342 Member
    WOW I just now realized I put conquers instead of conqueror's.....................I hate it when I do that.
  • levitateme
    levitateme Posts: 999 Member
    I have had recurring sciatica since I was bout 17 and it has been pretty debilitating in the past. To be honest, I haven't had any issues with it at all since I've lost weight. Seems like when I am overweight it is more likely to act up.

    I also agree with other posters who said strengthening the back/core. I do back extensions, knee raises (hanging from a bar) and a few bootleg pilates moves to work on my midsection.
  • Grimmerick
    Grimmerick Posts: 3,342 Member
    Thanks for all the great info Guys!!
  • Veil5577
    Veil5577 Posts: 868 Member
    I had a disc herniation in my lumbar spine. I tried EVERYTHING... chiropractor, physical therapy, medicine. Ended up on Lyrica and Percocet which made me gain 80 lbs. Finally I demanded surgery. Since the fusion, I have not had one single problem. I am so glad I had the surgery, and the surgeon told me it was a good thing I did, because my spine was a mess.
  • AddieOverhaul
    AddieOverhaul Posts: 734 Member
    I have mild scoliosis, disc degeneration in the lower spine, and bone spurs there as well. Apparently the bone spurs are the worst part. I've had back pain for years. What has helped me manage it (and I'm still a work in progress) involves:

    - lost weight
    - yoga and walking (when I don't do yoga for a while it really starts acting up. I also just ordered DDP yoga so happy to see some people on here recommending it).
    - I see my chiropractor once a month or more when needed (he also is a kinesiologist and practices Active Release Therapy and he completely cured the upper back and arm problems I had after an accident)
    - I see my massage therapist for one hour once a month or more as needed
    - I am now working on strengthening my core and it already seems to be helping. I do some exercises my chiro gave me almost daily as well as a bunch of hip opening stretches because my hips are tight which causes pain in my lowerback too.
    - I also put a heating pad on my lower back most nights for an hour while I watch a show.

    Luckily for me I get quite a bit of coverage for chiro and massage through my work benefits. Good luck!! Activity, stretching and strengthening the core are really key.
  • MinnesotaManimal
    MinnesotaManimal Posts: 642 Member
    from sometime in my teens onward I had tremendous debilitating back pain and the doctors told me after reviewing several years of MRI images that I had degenerative disc disease. Around 28 I was walking with a cane and was rotating between percocet and vicodin with muscle relaxants and was told I needed to wait till I was older and have a spinal fusion but until then to manage the pain and avoid heavy lifting. I had a desk job and had slowly gained weight up to 240 lbs and couldn't handle it any more. I Had never been active and wanted to shed the pounds. I started c25k and found that if I took my pain meds, I could run! I dropped to 200 lbs and found I needed less and less pain pills. I set a goal when I turned 29 to run 30 miles on my 30th birthday.

    you know what. thats not what you asked.... end story. tl:dr

    I started strong lifts and had a few episodes that set me back to using my cane -
    but I have now been pain med free for nearly a year now ( I just turned 32) and I squat 240 and deadlift 280. Sitting around was the worst thing I could have ever done for my back and back pain. Sure some day I might still need help but for now strengthening my back and core has done more than 15 years of physical therapy and pain meds ever did.
  • marcia724
    marcia724 Posts: 180 Member
    I've had back surgery... I had a huge bulging disc between L4 and L5. I had a discectomy where they trim the disc. I got GREAT relief from it and would recommend it to anyone.

    Even though it's scary to exercise when you have a back back....it's extremely important! I even did body pump and worked up to decently heavy weights! My back felt the best when I was doing that. It stretched out the muscles and built my core. Tell him to think of working out like medicine!
  • Suz_8589
    Suz_8589 Posts: 146 Member
    I was in a car accident 1 1/2 years ago. I have constant back/spine/neck/and shoulder pain. I just started easy learning my boundaries. Walking was good because I have bad posture (says the pt people). Just being strong in your core back and shoulders with walking will help him. I tried injections In my neck, couldn't move each time for three days. Pt helped strengthen but got to a point where they couldn't help anymore. Ice,heat, and a Tens unite is what helps me the most these days. Meds also help but aren't the best obviously.

    If you have anymore questions, I'm an open book!
  • I have severe debilitating back pain to the point where I have to use a power scooter to get around for distances of more than a few feet. My leg goes numb down to my heel and I have a hard time lifting it do to my back and even sitting more than a short period causes excruciating pain. I saw a "back" specialist and he recommended that I get RFA (Radio Frequency Ablation and I am meeting with a pain specialist in regards to this. Nothing else has worked for me, but as a disabled RN, I would not think of having surgery. I have had many friends, past patients and acquaintances who have had it (including our next door neighbor who can never work again due to having surgery which made his back even worse) with negative results. I don't think that I have ever met anyone who had favorable results but that doesn't mean some don't, of course.

    Here is info on RFA in you are interested. IF I can ever get in to have it done, I will let you know how it worked for me. I have a contact who had it done and said it worked extremely well for her and lasted over 2 years with no pain. Two years without pain would be a miracle for me at this point!

    http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/radiofrequency-ablation
  • stanthom
    stanthom Posts: 13
    This site has excellent information for relieving back pain.

    http://www.drbookspan.com/BackPainArticle.html