How important is it to "eat clean"

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  • _John_
    _John_ Posts: 8,643 Member
    IN...for ridiculous hypotheticals
  • BigT555
    BigT555 Posts: 2,067 Member

    Except there's no mention that it only holds true for short-term. Insulin resistance will effect energy utilization and can therefore cause reductions in weight loss.

    Reference:

    http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/10/5/563.full.pdf
    that article is for diabetes type 2 patients, which is a separate case entirely.

    when you start talking about insulin resistance in any form things get really mucky since it differs so much from one person to another, but generally speaking it wont have a great effect on weight loss unless your eating a ridiculous amount of sugar on a daily basis
  • SugaryLynx
    SugaryLynx Posts: 2,640 Member
    I just like food.
  • itodd4019
    itodd4019 Posts: 340 Member

    Except there's no mention that it only holds true for short-term. Insulin resistance will effect energy utilization and can therefore cause reductions in weight loss.

    Reference:

    http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/10/5/563.full.pdf
    that article is for diabetes type 2 patients, which is a separate case entirely.

    when you start talking about insulin resistance in any form things get really mucky since it differs so much from one person to another, but generally speaking it wont have a great effect on weight loss unless your eating a ridiculous amount of sugar on a daily basis

    Or drinking you A&& off.

    I think many of these posts re disquises for drinkers.

    SO- if you are drinking your calories, it's really hard to keep an honest measure of cals in vs out

    just my .02
  • conqueringsquidlette
    conqueringsquidlette Posts: 383 Member
    One of these days they'll figure out how to inject beer with a perfect blend of nutrition and we'll never have to eat healthy things ever again.
  • dayone987
    dayone987 Posts: 645 Member
    Just because something is low in calories/fat doesn't mean it is inherently healthy.

    This.

    If you mean 300 calories of a sandwhich is "better" for you in the sense that you'll lose weight faster, that is true. Losing weight is all about calories in vs calories out. Overall health is not. You could lose weight on 1200 calories of ice cream a day. Is it healthy? No.
    http://www.geekosystem.com/twinkie-diet/

    I cannot believe the number of people that reference this diet in the MFP forums...

    I've personally analyzed Prof. Haub's results and spoken with him about the experiments. First off the "Twinkie Diet" is a misnomer that was given by the media to hype the story. If you actually look at his food logs only about 30% of his calories came from sweets/desserts. Prof. Haub also ate a couple servings of fruit and vegetables every day to include a large variety over the course of the experiment - which is more than the average American consumes. He also took multivitamins, drank caffeine, and consumed protein powders. The diet was far from a "Twinkie Diet" and actually a step above the average American diet.

    Additionally Prof Haub never got blood work done at the end of the experiment to ascertain health impact from this diet - kind of a big deal. And even bigger of a deal Prof Haub doesn't recommend anyone do this diet. All he wanted to do was prove that calories was the short term drive to weight loss and you could lose weight with a far from optimal diet.

    Whenever I have see the Twinkie diet referenced on MFP, it generally is to emphasize the point that weight loss happens when CI< CO
    I can't recall anyone here ever saying it was the healthiest way to lose weight.
  • kittyhorn
    kittyhorn Posts: 112 Member
    I prefer eating clean but it's a personal preference. I feel healthier eating clean and perform better with work and in the gym. Moderation is key.
  • endermako
    endermako Posts: 785 Member
    The way I feel when I eat clean is completely different than if I had mcdonalds. I feel lighter and have more energy but I still feel satisfied. With mcdonalds i ate it. Felt bloated and gassy, and sometimes even light headed and dizzy and I would be hungry very soon afterwards. I choose to eat Fairly clean because of this. Even my "junk" food is healthy for the most part. I try to eat dark chocolate and desserts with very few ingredients
  • BigT555
    BigT555 Posts: 2,067 Member

    Except there's no mention that it only holds true for short-term. Insulin resistance will effect energy utilization and can therefore cause reductions in weight loss.

    Reference:

    http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/10/5/563.full.pdf
    that article is for diabetes type 2 patients, which is a separate case entirely.

    when you start talking about insulin resistance in any form things get really mucky since it differs so much from one person to another, but generally speaking it wont have a great effect on weight loss unless your eating a ridiculous amount of sugar on a daily basis

    How is insulin resistance and Type 2 a separate case? Type 2 is a degree of insulin resistance. That's like saying loosing weight with a 500 calorie deficit is a separate case than losing weight with a 1,000 calorie deficit. In studies it's beneficial to look at the more dramatic results because it emphasizes the results, but things don't go from 0 - 60 instantly so you know somewhere between insulin resistance and Type 2 diabetes measurable impact to weight loss will occur. Not to mention that 35% of the nation is prediabetic.

    So no... This is far from a completely separate issue.
    i wasnt comparing insulin resistance to type 2 diabetes, i was comparing people with insulin resistance to people who dont have such issues

    any time you talk about someone with a medical issue that effects weight loss it IS a separate case, people with insulin resistance is a special case. their bodies react differently and therefore store fat differently when exposed to excess sugar amounts, so its kinda like comparing apples and oranges.
  • tmauck4472
    tmauck4472 Posts: 1,785 Member
    I eat as clean as I can, just because I feel it has helped me with cravings. And it's cut my sodium waaaaay down. So now the only sodium I get is what I add instead of adding it on top of what was in my meal to begin with. Figure out if it feels better for you. Some people say it makes no difference, but I think they've never tried it so without trying it you don't know how you feel or how it works for you. BTW I feel better when I don't eat processed foods. Remember that everyone is different, find what works for you. Eat clean if you want, and if you don't want to then don't. I also know that for me this time around, I've eaten cleaner and I've been more motivated and able to keep it off and keep going longer than I ever have before, so it's helped me.
  • tmauck4472
    tmauck4472 Posts: 1,785 Member
    Why don't you just try mindful eating and pay attention to how you FEEL after eating certain things and then you'll know what's important for you and what isn't.

    Eleventy billion people say they feel "better" eliminating grains.
    I just feel hungry and cranky when I do that. So I eat grains and I feel just fine, despite the fact that according to the gospel of the internet, they aren't currently considered "clean".

    When I drink liquid milk, a medium-sized nuclear war happens in my stomach, so I avoid it. Not because it isn't "clean" but because I'm lactose intolerant.

    I know a lot of "clean" eaters who still drink beer, frequently. Hops gives me a migraine. I learned this by carefully paying attention to what I was eating when I got a headache, and doing some elimination trials. But I would never presume to suggest that other people eat the way I do or don't eat.

    Don't worry so much about what the "rules" are. Eat stuff, write it down, pay attention to how you feel immediately, a few hours later, the next day. Recognize patterns. Adjust.

    ^THIS
  • BusyRaeNOTBusty
    BusyRaeNOTBusty Posts: 7,166 Member
    Not very. Hit your calorie goals. Pay attention to macro and micro nutrients. Try to eat "mostly" whole foods. Profit.
  • in_the_stars
    in_the_stars Posts: 1,395 Member
    i wasnt comparing insulin resistance to type 2 diabetes, i was comparing people with insulin resistance to people who dont have such issues

    any time you talk about someone with a medical issue that effects weight loss it IS a separate case, people with insulin resistance is a special case. their bodies react differently and therefore store fat differently when exposed to excess sugar amounts, so its kinda like comparing apples and oranges.

    Again, 35% of the American public is prediabetic so it already applies to a large portion of people trying to lose weight. Additionally eating refined sugar causes insulin resistance which is my big overall point. That's why you can't blindly say that eating a 25% of your calories from refined sugar (what the average American does) will produce the same results because it's likely this diet if continued will at minimum lead to increased insulin resistance.


    Might be that if they were not overweight they would not be diabetic?
  • kgeyser
    kgeyser Posts: 22,505 Member
    i wasnt comparing insulin resistance to type 2 diabetes, i was comparing people with insulin resistance to people who dont have such issues

    any time you talk about someone with a medical issue that effects weight loss it IS a separate case, people with insulin resistance is a special case. their bodies react differently and therefore store fat differently when exposed to excess sugar amounts, so its kinda like comparing apples and oranges.

    Again, 35% of the American public is prediabetic so it already applies to a large portion of people trying to lose weight. Additionally eating refined sugar causes insulin resistance which is my big overall point. That's why you can't blindly say that eating a 25% of your calories from refined sugar (what the average American does) will produce the same results because it's likely this diet if continued will at minimum lead to increased insulin resistance.

    I think we've reached the point in the thread where you're going to need to start producing some peer-reviewed scientific evidence to support your claims. From journals, not blogs. If you don't have any, you might want to prepare yourself for the onslaught of gifs.
  • BigT555
    BigT555 Posts: 2,067 Member
    i wasnt comparing insulin resistance to type 2 diabetes, i was comparing people with insulin resistance to people who dont have such issues

    any time you talk about someone with a medical issue that effects weight loss it IS a separate case, people with insulin resistance is a special case. their bodies react differently and therefore store fat differently when exposed to excess sugar amounts, so its kinda like comparing apples and oranges.

    Again, 35% of the American public is prediabetic so it already applies to a large portion of people trying to lose weight. Additionally eating refined sugar causes insulin resistance which is my big overall point. That's why you can't blindly say that eating a 25% of your calories from refined sugar (what the average American does) will produce the same results because it's likely this diet if continued will at minimum lead to increased insulin resistance.
    35% of the american population, not the world. im not american, and if im not mistaken america has the highest rates of diabetes so that would be a worst case scenario if we're talking a general population standpoint

    but in any case i do see your point, although im not inclined to agree insulin resistance is so easily achieved
  • 12skipafew99100
    12skipafew99100 Posts: 1,669 Member
    We actually need lots of fat in our diets. The good fats are from tree nuts, seeds, avocados, olive oil, fish oils just to name a few off the top of my head. MUFA's (monounsaturated fatty acids) at every meal and PUFA's (polyunsaturated fatty acids) should be a 1/4 of your meal calories. These fats make you feel satisfied and are good for your body.

    Still for weight loss its all about eating less calories then you burn.
  • BigT555
    BigT555 Posts: 2,067 Member
    I generally don't like it when someone calls other people stupid, but OMG it's no f***ing wonder that people all over the word are becoming increasingly overweight!
    I am no saint when it comes to cookies and cakes, but I am very well aware that they hold no nutritional value for me, and I only eat them in limited amounts if I feel like a treat. Pre-processed foods, fast foods and pretty much anything that is full of e-number is just **** you stuff into your systems that will do you absolutely no good EVER! Anyone who says anything else should consider if they have been living unhealthy for so long that their brain has starter to deteriorate. And yes that will happen according to the latest studies in neuroscience.
    I thought this forum was for people who wanted to improve their lives and live better, not bully others (and yes I know I will get shot for this post by all the ignorant ****** that think they know better) because they don't sit down with a bag of chips and claim they eat well because they eat within their calorie limit, COME ON, how stupid are you!?
    I think I'm done with the forum now, nothing but utter idiocy around here.....
    lol where did this come from
  • TheVirgoddess
    TheVirgoddess Posts: 4,535 Member
    Why don't you just try mindful eating and pay attention to how you FEEL after eating certain things and then you'll know what's important for you and what isn't.

    Eleventy billion people say they feel "better" eliminating grains.
    I just feel hungry and cranky when I do that. So I eat grains and I feel just fine, despite the fact that according to the gospel of the internet, they aren't currently considered "clean".

    When I drink liquid milk, a medium-sized nuclear war happens in my stomach, so I avoid it. Not because it isn't "clean" but because I'm lactose intolerant.

    I know a lot of "clean" eaters who still drink beer, frequently. Hops gives me a migraine. I learned this by carefully paying attention to what I was eating when I got a headache, and doing some elimination trials. But I would never presume to suggest that other people eat the way I do or don't eat.

    Don't worry so much about what the "rules" are. Eat stuff, write it down, pay attention to how you feel immediately, a few hours later, the next day. Recognize patterns. Adjust.

    Yes, this.

    I can't handle a huge intake of sugar, for example. A piece of cake will jack me up for two days. Other people can handle said cake just fine.

    Just listen to your body - not in the sense that your body wants you to eat an entire bag of chips so you should do it, but in the sense of how foods make you feel.
  • Shropshire1959
    Shropshire1959 Posts: 982 Member
    calories in vs calories out for weight loss, everything else is for general health. if you eat 500 cals of candy vs 500 cals of chicken and broccoli you would lose the same amount of weight, but the chicken and broccoli will be more filling and give you more nutrients

    You know this for a FACT do you? or are you trotting out the standard MFP mantra?
  • MissSarahAllison315
    MissSarahAllison315 Posts: 263 Member
    Why don't you just try mindful eating and pay attention to how you FEEL after eating certain things and then you'll know what's important for you and what isn't.

    Eleventy billion people say they feel "better" eliminating grains.
    I just feel hungry and cranky when I do that. So I eat grains and I feel just fine, despite the fact that according to the gospel of the internet, they aren't currently considered "clean".

    When I drink liquid milk, a medium-sized nuclear war happens in my stomach, so I avoid it. Not because it isn't "clean" but because I'm lactose intolerant.

    I know a lot of "clean" eaters who still drink beer, frequently. Hops gives me a migraine. I learned this by carefully paying attention to what I was eating when I got a headache, and doing some elimination trials. But I would never presume to suggest that other people eat the way I do or don't eat.

    Don't worry so much about what the "rules" are. Eat stuff, write it down, pay attention to how you feel immediately, a few hours later, the next day. Recognize patterns. Adjust.

    ^^^THIS!!!

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