Childhood Obesity= CHILD ABUSE
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So my mom abused me by not preventing me from stuffing my face when I got depressed and not making me go outside to face my bullies to exercise. Okee dokie then. Inb4 the delete!
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And time. And energy.
Yep. Very minimal. Less than a single TV show. People just have to spend a little time on the health of their family.
Such a stunning and unusual sacrifice, I know.
Let me just quote the comment below yours:Now, on the other side of that, I work with you and in my line of work, most of my clients are on SNAP and TANF and have funds for foods. The problem comes in when mom has to work 3 jobs to make ends meet and it is much easier to throw a microwave dinner in to feed the kids versus plan meals and cook. Perhaps the problem isn't in access to foods, but within the society we live in. Until there is equality in wages and access to education and jobs, we are going to continually face this problem.
Exactly. Its EASIER to throw some crap in the microwave and then feed children crap.
This is NOT an excuse, however, its just noise. Do something BETTER instead of EASIER.
Yes. It would have taken a whole 15 minutes to chop up a potato, some carrots, a cheap piece of meat, and toss it all into a crockpot so theres a healthy, nutritious meal read for dinner that evening, like my mother used to before she took off working her 16 hour days my entire childhood.
I grew up in a poor, single parent household, and I was not fed crap. My mother cooked on the weekends so she could heat things up for us on demand. She couldn't give us everything we wanted, but she damn well made sure we had what we needed...and what we needed wasn't a boxed dinner that really isn't much faster and definitely wasn't cheaper than real food, and that was only going to destroy our health.
So you were not 238 pounds overweight when you left the nest?0 -
It is not a fallaciious argument. Yes, a non-parent may in fact know a lot about parenting either thru experience as daycare, nanny, sibling, babysitter or due to education and career. But, in most cases (not all), 21 year old single adults with no kids do NOT have a ton of life experience to draw on and my recolelction fo being in my early 20s was that I gained a lot of wisdom over that period of time but spent a lot of time thinking I knew everything when I was actually quite naive
If we had to wait on "life experience" to learn things, we'd not bother with education and all be morons until we turned 40.
It doesn't matter if your 21. If you don't know how to feed yourself or your kids...READ A BOOK AND LEARN!0 -
So my mom abused me by not preventing me from stuffing my face when I got depressed and not making me go outside to face my bullies to exercise. Okee dokie then. Inb4 the delete!
Here is a gif of a kitten.
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I work for juvenile court and closely with CSD. Let me tell you something....you don't know the first thing about child abuse.
And you don't think feeding a 5 year old so much food that they weight 140lbs is abuse?
Would you say that a 5 year old weighing 140lbs is on par with a 5 year old being traded back and forth between adults for sex?
Would you say that a 5 year old weighing 140 lbs is on par with a 5 year old being kept in a locked room and beaten and tortured?
Children and Youth services is overburdened as it is. The foster care system isn't filled with ideal parents.
People who want to take obese kids from otherwise loving homes are unbelievably naive.0 -
I work for juvenile court and closely with CSD. Let me tell you something....you don't know the first thing about child abuse.
And you don't think feeding a 5 year old so much food that they weight 140lbs is abuse?
You are reaching with the 140lbs comment. What is the age and height of said child you are speaking of? My child is five and underweight for her age, yet tall and healthy. So as she is technically underweight, I must starve her correct? Which is legitimate abuse. You are reaching for a line in the sand as to at which weight it stops being irresponsible and is something more morbid. Would you like to see what child abuse looks like? I have a case load a mile long with stories it you'd like. Irresponsible parenting is a far cry from abuse.
It was in the original article. I still don't think it compares with extinguishing cigarettes on a child's arms for fun because you are high, but what do I know.0 -
I was a fat kid and completely agree with this. All arguments contrary to this topic/position can be dismissed with one phrase- who is the child and who is the parent in the situation. I won't dare do to my kids what my parents did to me. That being stated- I love obese cats and enjoy over feeding mine.0
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It is not a fallaciious argument. Yes, a non-parent may in fact know a lot about parenting either thru experience as daycare, nanny, sibling, babysitter or due to education and career. But, in most cases (not all), 21 year old single adults with no kids do NOT have a ton of life experience to draw on and my recolelction fo being in my early 20s was that I gained a lot of wisdom over that period of time but spent a lot of time thinking I knew everything when I was actually quite naive
If we had to wait on "life experience" to learn things, we'd not bother with education and all be morons until we turned 40.
It doesn't matter if your 21. If you don't know how to feed yourself or your kids...READ A BOOK AND LEARN!
There are other factors at play. You might want to take that advice about sitting down with a book.0 -
And time. And energy.
Yep. Very minimal. Less than a single TV show. People just have to spend a little time on the health of their family.
Such a stunning and unusual sacrifice, I know.
Let me just quote the comment below yours:Now, on the other side of that, I work with you and in my line of work, most of my clients are on SNAP and TANF and have funds for foods. The problem comes in when mom has to work 3 jobs to make ends meet and it is much easier to throw a microwave dinner in to feed the kids versus plan meals and cook. Perhaps the problem isn't in access to foods, but within the society we live in. Until there is equality in wages and access to education and jobs, we are going to continually face this problem.
Exactly. Its EASIER to throw some crap in the microwave and then feed children crap.
This is NOT an excuse, however, its just noise. Do something BETTER instead of EASIER.
Yes. It would have taken a whole 15 minutes to chop up a potato, some carrots, a cheap piece of meat, and toss it all into a crockpot so theres a healthy, nutritious meal read for dinner that evening, like my mother used to before she took off working her 16 hour days my entire childhood.
I grew up in a poor, single parent household, and I was not fed crap. My mother cooked on the weekends so she could heat things up for us on demand. She couldn't give us everything we wanted, but she damn well made sure we had what we needed...and what we needed wasn't a boxed dinner that really isn't much faster and definitely wasn't cheaper than real food, and that was only going to destroy our health.
So you were not 238 pounds overweight when you left the nest?
No. I certainly was not. I didn't start gaining weight until years after both college and military periods.
But, thanks for attacking me personally, rather than addressing the points. Way to be an adult, attacking someone's weight on MFP.0 -
I work for juvenile court and closely with CSD. Let me tell you something....you don't know the first thing about child abuse.
And you don't think feeding a 5 year old so much food that they weight 140lbs is abuse?
I will respond and quote my own post from a few minutes agoI lied. I can't bite my tongue.
Does anyone have any idea what real abuse looks like? What social services actually has to see....what they have to witness every. single. day.
Children that are being raped and beaten. Neglected. Being told that they are worthless, ugly, stupid. The kids that are being exposed to drugs first hand, prostitution, domestic violence. Little ones that see things that most of us CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE.
Do I agree that all parents should do their best to teach their children about fitness and nutrition? Absolutely. But as another individual pointed out, often the parents that aren't doing this is NOT because they are being "abusive". Education, environment, culture...all play a part. And to insinuate that those parents deserve the same treatment as a parent that is raping or beating or insert any of the other things I mentioned above to their kid/s is just ignorance at it's finest.
ETA....If I knew how to use the bold feature, rest assured that IGNORANCE would be in bold.
This happened in the uk which means that they would have had help and eduction etc before the child got taken away. They didn't reduce her weight so it is abuse.
Starving your children is abuse so why is over feeding them to the point of morbid obesity not abuse?0 -
It is not a fallaciious argument. Yes, a non-parent may in fact know a lot about parenting either thru experience as daycare, nanny, sibling, babysitter or due to education and career. But, in most cases (not all), 21 year old single adults with no kids do NOT have a ton of life experience to draw on and my recolelction fo being in my early 20s was that I gained a lot of wisdom over that period of time but spent a lot of time thinking I knew everything when I was actually quite naive
If we had to wait on "life experience" to learn things, we'd not bother with education and all be morons until we turned 40.
It doesn't matter if your 21. If you don't know how to feed yourself or your kids...READ A BOOK AND LEARN!
There is a vast difference between theory and application.0 -
Yes yes, there are children in drug homes and being abused or seriously neglected. But lets focus on over weight children and add more to 'the system.'
SMH.0 -
There is a vast difference between theory and application.
Not really, no. Making a pot of bean soup is not rocket science.0 -
I totally agree! Please don't forget the IQ test too. Good grounds for child rearing IMHO. Reasonably intelligent, capable of providing necessities and able to teach proper nutrition and physical fitness. People who breed with no consideration to their financial capabilities, physical/emotional and intellectual state need to stop. Every consecutive generation is getting dumber, fatter and unhealthier than the last, and yet people keep breeding..I think we should start licensing pregnancy, so only the people who can afford children and who are physically fit can reproduce.
What's really funny is that there is written evidence of people complaining about this at 1500 BC and yet, YOU are still smart and healthy.0 -
I think we should start licensing pregnancy, so only the people who can afford children and who are physically fit can reproduce.
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And time. And energy.
Yep. Very minimal. Less than a single TV show. People just have to spend a little time on the health of their family.
Such a stunning and unusual sacrifice, I know.
Let me just quote the comment below yours:Now, on the other side of that, I work with you and in my line of work, most of my clients are on SNAP and TANF and have funds for foods. The problem comes in when mom has to work 3 jobs to make ends meet and it is much easier to throw a microwave dinner in to feed the kids versus plan meals and cook. Perhaps the problem isn't in access to foods, but within the society we live in. Until there is equality in wages and access to education and jobs, we are going to continually face this problem.
Exactly. Its EASIER to throw some crap in the microwave and then feed children crap.
This is NOT an excuse, however, its just noise. Do something BETTER instead of EASIER.
Yes. It would have taken a whole 15 minutes to chop up a potato, some carrots, a cheap piece of meat, and toss it all into a crockpot so theres a healthy, nutritious meal read for dinner that evening, like my mother used to before she took off working her 16 hour days my entire childhood.
I grew up in a poor, single parent household, and I was not fed crap. My mother cooked on the weekends so she could heat things up for us on demand. She couldn't give us everything we wanted, but she damn well made sure we had what we needed...and what we needed wasn't a boxed dinner that really isn't much faster and definitely wasn't cheaper than real food, and that was only going to destroy our health.
So you were not 238 pounds overweight when you left the nest?
No. I certainly was not. I didn't start gaining weight until years after both college and military periods.
But, thanks for attacking me personally, rather than addressing the points. Way to be an adult, attacking someone's weight on MFP.
But, you see, you are judging people who are struggling to raise children for not doing things that you were unable to do with a lot less responsibility.0 -
It is not a fallaciious argument. Yes, a non-parent may in fact know a lot about parenting either thru experience as daycare, nanny, sibling, babysitter or due to education and career. But, in most cases (not all), 21 year old single adults with no kids do NOT have a ton of life experience to draw on and my recolelction fo being in my early 20s was that I gained a lot of wisdom over that period of time but spent a lot of time thinking I knew everything when I was actually quite naive
If we had to wait on "life experience" to learn things, we'd not bother with education and all be morons until we turned 40.
It doesn't matter if your 21. If you don't know how to feed yourself or your kids...READ A BOOK AND LEARN!
I agree that people should learn as best they can. I still stand behind that the 21 y.o single parentless OP wants to cast a lot of stones without a full understanding of the subject. Which was the point of the poster's comment on her age and on mine. The OP does not appear to have a whole lot of child rearing experience and appears to judge based on snapshots in time rather than the full picture. Which of course, I am now judging her based on the snapshots she has provided me with her posts LOL0 -
I work for juvenile court and closely with CSD. Let me tell you something....you don't know the first thing about child abuse.
And you don't think feeding a 5 year old so much food that they weight 140lbs is abuse?
You are reaching with the 140lbs comment. What is the age and height of said child you are speaking of? My child is five and underweight for her age, yet tall and healthy. So as she is technically underweight, I must starve her correct? Which is legitimate abuse. You are reaching for a line in the sand as to at which weight it stops being irresponsible and is something more morbid. Would you like to see what child abuse looks like? I have a case load a mile long with stories it you'd like. Irresponsible parenting is a far cry from abuse.
I'm not reaching. This was an actually case in England.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-252997640 -
And time. And energy.
Yep. Very minimal. Less than a single TV show. People just have to spend a little time on the health of their family.
Such a stunning and unusual sacrifice, I know.
Let me just quote the comment below yours:Now, on the other side of that, I work with you and in my line of work, most of my clients are on SNAP and TANF and have funds for foods. The problem comes in when mom has to work 3 jobs to make ends meet and it is much easier to throw a microwave dinner in to feed the kids versus plan meals and cook. Perhaps the problem isn't in access to foods, but within the society we live in. Until there is equality in wages and access to education and jobs, we are going to continually face this problem.
Exactly. Its EASIER to throw some crap in the microwave and then feed children crap.
This is NOT an excuse, however, its just noise. Do something BETTER instead of EASIER.
Yes. It would have taken a whole 15 minutes to chop up a potato, some carrots, a cheap piece of meat, and toss it all into a crockpot so theres a healthy, nutritious meal read for dinner that evening, like my mother used to before she took off working her 16 hour days my entire childhood.
I grew up in a poor, single parent household, and I was not fed crap. My mother cooked on the weekends so she could heat things up for us on demand. She couldn't give us everything we wanted, but she damn well made sure we had what we needed...and what we needed wasn't a boxed dinner that really isn't much faster and definitely wasn't cheaper than real food, and that was only going to destroy our health.
So you were not 238 pounds overweight when you left the nest?
No. I certainly was not. I didn't start gaining weight until years after both college and military periods.
But, thanks for attacking me personally, rather than addressing the points. Way to be an adult, attacking someone's weight on MFP.
But it begs the question, if you remove children from homes if they are obese because it's abusive, shouldn't we institutionalize obese people for abusing themselves -- at least for 72 psyche evaluations -- like we would if they were showing other signs of self harm?0 -
There is a vast difference between theory and application.
Not really, no. Making a pot of bean soup is not rocket science.
I'd LOVE to see you get my kids to eat bean soup.0 -
I disagree with you on this, but that's just me. I don't think someone should have their kid taken away and put into foster care just because they're fat.
I think it depends on how fat and what the parents are doing to help the child. It's a case by case decision not a blanket yes/no.
One child was recently taken away by social services in Wales and that seemed like a good decision as the patents had been given a lot of help but the child (11 / 15st) was not losing any weight and in fact getting bigger. He was seriously obese and the parents just kept making excuses.
Better that child get help now at that age than be allowed to continue down that path.
Oh GOD. I can only IMAGINE the body issues this child is going to have now.0 -
Oh yes. The good old MFP Bully excuse. Call something into question, it becomes an attack.
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There is a vast difference between theory and application.
Not really, no. Making a pot of bean soup is not rocket science.
I'd LOVE to see you get my kids to eat bean soup.
lol. right?
OH> But someone on the internet, without kids, says its no big deal.0 -
There is a vast difference between theory and application.
Not really, no. Making a pot of bean soup is not rocket science.
Getting a kid to eat that stuff is. What do you do then? Put a feeding tube in? Let them "not eat at all then" and then you are abusive for not feeding them enough? Until you have kids of your own don't talk to me about how to feed them.0 -
What's actually child abuse is raising your kids to be Red Sox fans.
Like a knife in the heart. Why? Why must you turn this ugly :sad:0 -
this whole thing just feels like fuel to the fire for stigmatizing being overweight
I had a family member who was a compulsive eater in the true sense since he was a toddler. His parents had to put locks on the fridge and cabinets and it was humiliating.....
Yet he STILL always found sources of food and would shovel it in like he was a starving child.
My Aunt n Uncle did all these can to keep it under control when he was with them.
Not always the parents fault
And also "child abuse" is a bit harsh, if anything at most i think it may be a form of neglect in severe cases. Im old enough to know and come from an era where a majority of kids got the ever loving crap beat out of them by there parents and im not talking about spanking. If it made a viable switch, it was used.0 -
But, you see, you are judging people who are struggling to raise children for not doing things that you were unable to do with a lot less responsibility.
No, in obvious point of fact I'm not. I'm judging people for failing their CHILDREN, as opposed to an individual with no dependents failing themselves.
Do you know what a tu quoque fallacy is? You should educated yourself on logical fallacies before debating. It helps.0 -
Do you have the luxury of stay at home with your children? Yes, I know, you dabble with your non-profit, but if I remember correctly from its web page you either home school or hope to. I am not bringing that up to be a jerk, but that kind of thing is an opportunity that a lot of women don't have. Which is why you, of all the people here, should understand the reality that equal access is kind of a thing.
The 21 year old bit of my quote, which this person removed from its context was referring to the OP, not adult children.
You don't have a very high opinion of me, do you?
Yes, I stay home. I run a non-profit and a small business, and I home school my kids. I'm incredibly lucky to be in the situation I am - and we work hard to keep it that way. I fully believe that every woman deserves the choices that I have - and more.
I did not realize your quote was taken out of context. I haven't had a chance to read the whole thread. But apparently I've upset you somehow, so I'll apologize.0 -
There is a vast difference between theory and application.
Not really, no. Making a pot of bean soup is not rocket science.
I'd LOVE to see you get my kids to eat bean soup.
Seriously, I couldn't even get my threenager to eat a peanut butter sandwich yesterday (which she likes btw)... and I refuse to shovel food into my child's mouth...0 -
There is a vast difference between theory and application.
Not really, no. Making a pot of bean soup is not rocket science.
I'd LOVE to see you get my kids to eat bean soup.
lol. right?
OH> But someone on the internet, without kids, says its no big deal.
I made my kids LASAGNE, with garlic toast and they chose to go hungry rather than eat it. I'm happy if the older one substitutes apple slices for whatever balance meal I've prepared for them.0
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