Running a 5k without headphones?? WTF?????
robbienjill
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So I plan to run my fist 5K in Myrtle Beach in February and seen that they have a "no headphone policy." Then I read online that there was now a rule in place for marathons etc: USA Track & Field, the national governing body for running, this year banned the use of headphones and portable audio players like iPods at its official races. The new rule was created to ensure safety and to prevent runners from having a competitive edge. How am I suppose to run and stay motivated after using this device to train with to begin with?? How do other runners feel about this rule?? And how do you expect to train in the future??
I plan to eventually work my way up to a 10k and so forth, but mannnn I NEED music!!
I plan to eventually work my way up to a 10k and so forth, but mannnn I NEED music!!
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Are you actually running the race in an attempt to win or place in one of the top positions? Or are you simply running for your health and just to see how well you do personally? Unless you are there to actually try to win, I wouldn't worry about it. I have seen similar rules around here for quite awhile, but for the most part people ignore it. When I run, I'm not out there to come in first place or win one of the top prizes. I'm basically out there competing against myself and my previous times. So I end up bringing my headphones. And I'm not the only one. I see quote a few people with them. Actually, in my last 5k I saw two people with rollerblades! I'm pretty sure those are banned too
In other words, It's a rule that may make a difference if you are there to compete and win. But they aren't going to say that you can't run or anything just because you have them with you. Or at least I have never seen that happen.0 -
I started running with headphones, but have since stopped because I got tired of messing with the cords while running. Sometimes if I'm running during a ball game I want to keep track of, I'll run with them on. But it's the exception rather than the rule.
I can see where they have a point. In a race there are people all around you, and part of your situational awareness is being able to hear the people around you.
Those are only officially sanctioned races. I know there are plenty of races around here that do allow head phones. I even found a 5K in march that isn't even keeping official timing.0 -
I don't run as much anymore. I have moved on to other activities for my exercise. But I used to run 6 days a week averaging about 18-20 miles a week. Never once used a iPod or the like. I loved the silence actually. That said I can understand how some people might really enjoy music while running.
I can see "banning headphones" as a safety issue ... distracted runners and the like. But as far as giving a competitive edge, seems like it would be just the opposite. Perhaps the ban on headphones is also to ensure that people don't run with cell phones where they might have outside help calling in their times and letting them know where their competition was with respect to them. That's the only way I can see a competitive edge using headphones.
Regardless, I suggest you try running without the tunes and see it you can alleviate your NEED for music while running. May take a little getting used to, but you might find you enjoy running just as much without the music.
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I am going to be running a marathon in Oct with no headphones. I am going to train with them but my thought is that the day of the race you are going to be so ready to run, motivated by the people around you, the crowd, and the adrinaline rush.0
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But as far as giving a competitive edge, seems like it would be just the opposite. Perhaps the ban on headphones is also to ensure that people don't run with cell phones where they might have outside help calling in their times and letting them know where their competition was with respect to them. That's the only way I can see a competitive edge using headphones.
This is going to sound really stupid, lol. But I think that for some people, like myself, it definitely gives a competitive edge. I run outside alone a lot. Not extremely long distances or anything. I try to run a 5k to a 10k two to three times a week at a moderate pace. Maybe a 9-min mile or so. But unless I have someone to talk to, I absolutely HAVE to have headphones. Without them, I find that I struggle.
Listening to music I enjoy seems to give me energy. I crank the volume and don't hear anything around me. I find myself almost singing the song in my head and pushing forward. And here's where it get's weird. Obviously there's a pause between songs. During that short pause, all of a sudden I can hear myself breathing heavy. I can also hear my feet hitting the ground. All of a sudden that seems to break my concentration or remind me that I am running and it sucks! lol.
As weird as it sounds, the music seems to almost take my mind elsewhere while my body does what it needs to do. It feels like it gives me energy and pushes me to run harder. To put it to a real world number.... We have to do a physical fitness test twice a year. Part of that test is a 1.5 mile run. With headphones I can sometimes make the run in just under 10 minutes. Not always, but I'm usually very close. However, without headphones, My times are mid to low 11s.
Again, I know it's stupid and I know it's all in my head. But it does indeed give me a slight edge. I suppose for me it's like that personal trainer that pushes you to do one more rep that I wouldnt have done otherwise.0 -
That rule by USATF has been around for a few years now... I ran my first half marathon with no earphones (it wasn't too bad- I'll explain in a min) but I ran my marathon and the other half with earphones. I've ran every shorter distance race with earphones.
If you are trying to place or win, I think the earphones could invalidate your results but if you aren't aiming to do either of those things (like me) I don't think it is going to get you in trouble or anything.
A few pointers though: don't wear both earphones at the start or the finish, or where there is a lot of congestion. The reason for that is someone might come up behind you or quickly cut in front of you and you can't hear them with both in. That's where runner safety comes into play. I usually keep one in an ear and one tucked into my shirt, volume low, until the pack settles into their paces and the cluster kinda disperses a bit. Then I'll put both in.
Sometimes though with races there's so much going on that you will be amazed that you might not need the music. For that first half, there were crowds of people cheering us on. Also, I focused on the rhythm of my breath, the sound of runners' feet hitting the pavement, the cool air, the warmth of the sun, anything that causes you to be in the moment. Sometimes that can be just as rewarding/ encouraging as a cool song.
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But as far as giving a competitive edge, seems like it would be just the opposite. Perhaps the ban on headphones is also to ensure that people don't run with cell phones where they might have outside help calling in their times and letting them know where their competition was with respect to them. That's the only way I can see a competitive edge using headphones.
This is going to sound really stupid, lol. But I think that for some people, like myself, it definitely gives a competitive edge. I run outside alone a lot. Not extremely long distances or anything. I try to run a 5k to a 10k two to three times a week at a moderate pace. Maybe a 9-min mile or so. But unless I have someone to talk to, I absolutely HAVE to have headphones. Without them, I find that I struggle.
Listening to music I enjoy seems to give me energy. I crank the volume and don't hear anything around me. I find myself almost singing the song in my head and pushing forward. And here's where it get's weird. Obviously there's a pause between songs. During that short pause, all of a sudden I can hear myself breathing heavy. I can also hear my feet hitting the ground. All of a sudden that seems to break my concentration or remind me that I am running and it sucks! lol.
As weird as it sounds, the music seems to almost take my mind elsewhere while my body does what it needs to do. It feels like it gives me energy and pushes me to run harder. To put it to a real world number.... We have to do a physical fitness test twice a year. Part of that test is a 1.5 mile run. With headphones I can sometimes make the run in just under 10 minutes. Not always, but I'm usually very close. However, without headphones, My times are mid to low 11s.
Again, I know it's stupid and I know it's all in my head. But it does indeed give me a slight edge. I suppose for me it's like that personal trainer that pushes you to do one more rep that I wouldnt have done otherwise.
Good point actually. I never used headphone, so I just think of music as a distraction. But I can see how you could use it to keep your pace up. When I used to run for speed on short runs, if I could keep thinking to myself "faster, faster, faster" I would make better time. If my mind wandered at all which is what I always envision with listening to music, my pace would slow. I would try to concentrate on shortening my stride and increasing my turnover rate and the better I did that the faster my pace. So I guess I can see how you could use some sort of audio feedback as a way to keep your pace up.
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I think you can get used to anything. When I was younger and ran more seriously, I never used any type of headphone. Studies that have been done on runners show that one of the characteristics of elite runners was that instead of dissociating during their training, they concentrated more on being "in the moment" -- paying attention to body sensations, staying relaxed, monitoring splits, etc. That was pretty much my approach. Oddly enough, when I did take something to listen to, more often than not it was news talk shows rather than music.
I use an iPod pretty regularly now, but I have also noticed that, on days where I forget it it, there is no difference in performance. I have had some excellent, "record-setting" (for me) workouts with music and without. There are definite times when a certain song will provide motivation to push harder, but I also find that, given the right circumstances, I can summon an equal effort without any music.
I don't know if anyone has any more recent data, but IIRC, the studies I saw 15-20 years ago suggested that listening to music did not have any appreciable effect as a performance enhancer. However, these studies tend to be done by lower-level graduate students so I am not sure how valid they were.
Personally, I can't imagine being that hung up about feeling a "need" to listen to music during a 5K or 10K race. If the challenge of the event and being with the other runners isn't enough to get you fired up, then it would almost make me wonder why you are running at all.0 -
Personally, I can't imagine being that hung up about feeling a "need" to listen to music during a 5K or 10K race. If the challenge of the event and being with the other runners isn't enough to get you fired up, then it would almost make me wonder why you are running at all.
Like I said, I'm a bit weird about things like that. My problem is that I do not consider myself a distance runner. I have always been a sprinter and will probably always be a sprinter. I have great explosiveness, and a fast, long, quick stride. My best runs are anything from a 40yd sprint to a 200yd sprint. It also translated well to other sports, where I had good speed and a good vertical leap. Basically, I have always been a sprinter.
However, I also am wise enough to know that long distance running has its place. It's a great way to burn extra calories and work on my cardiovascular health. Especially if I can slowly increase my pace over distance and time. That doesn't necessarily mean that I enjoy it. On the contrary, most of the time I hate running. But I do it and I'm fine with it once I get started. Liekwise, I really don't like squats, but at the same time I love them. I hate them because they are tough. I love them because they work!
So why do I run at all? Because I know that it will benefit me in the long run. If listening to music makes it that much easier for me, then I don't see a problem with it. I'm not running for fun or personal enjoyment. I'm running to get and stay fit.0 -
:flowerforyou: Thanks for the feedback. This will be my first 5K sooooo the crowd may indeed be JUST enough to fire me up and give me energy if I am not allowed to use my ipod. However, I do not have that same crowd at home with me cheering me along the way as I run outside or on my treadmill. Thats why I am use to my ipod. I agree with the person who stated that he can hear his footsteps and breathing between songs. I do the same. The continous play of the music drives me to push forward and reminds just how much I DO love running and inspires me to want to put more time and effort into the sport so that I may grow and challenge myself with larger goals. So to answer one response: I run because I like it, because it makes me feel good, and it reduces stress from a highly stressful job that I come home from everyday. I run because I love the way it makes my body feel and look. I run because it makes me STRONG inside and out...there for I RUN!!!! Thanks Guys!!! I apppreciate all the thoughts that you all have put into my question. All are valued!! Keep Running!!!0
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Personally, I can't imagine being that hung up about feeling a "need" to listen to music during a 5K or 10K race. If the challenge of the event and being with the other runners isn't enough to get you fired up, then it would almost make me wonder why you are running at all.
Like I said, I'm a bit weird about things like that. My problem is that I do not consider myself a distance runner. I have always been a sprinter and will probably always be a sprinter. I have great explosiveness, and a fast, long, quick stride. My best runs are anything from a 40yd sprint to a 200yd sprint. It also translated well to other sports, where I had good speed and a good vertical leap. Basically, I have always been a sprinter.
However, I also am wise enough to know that long distance running has its place. It's a great way to burn extra calories and work on my cardiovascular health. Especially if I can slowly increase my pace over distance and time. That doesn't necessarily mean that I enjoy it. On the contrary, most of the time I hate running. But I do it and I'm fine with it once I get started. Liekwise, I really don't like squats, but at the same time I love them. I hate them because they are tough. I love them because they work!
So why do I run at all? Because I know that it will benefit me in the long run. If listening to music makes it that much easier for me, then I don't see a problem with it. I'm not running for fun or personal enjoyment. I'm running to get and stay fit.
That's a good explanation.
From what I read of your comments, you seem to be very methodical and focused in your training so it makes sense that you might choose an activity that you did not instinctively enjoy because of an important perceived benefit.
And it always sounds harsher when you say it in written form, but I didn't mean that remark as criticism to the OP or those who are adamant about "needing" music to get through a run. I was just wondering why someone would continue to do an activity that it sounded like they had to force themselves to do. In my younger days (aka "the dawn of time") people forced themselves to run because there were not many other choices--or because they had to run away from mastodons and other like creatures.
But your answer makes sense. It's hard for me to relate because I have always loved running. Above and beyond any fitness or health benefits, I simply enjoy the physical sensation. It's why I keep pushing myself to do it, regardless of the setbacks.0 -
awww and we all get along!! lol Super
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I ran my first 5k in December and yeah, there is something to being in the moment with the crowd. However, I ran WITH headphones! I need music in my life daily. I listen to it when I'm doing the 30 mile commute to work and back and I listen to it when I'm working on reports. I cannot imagine working out at the gym without it. So darlin' I am right there with ya! I have yet to see those rules in any future race I am planning to run but if the rule exists you can wage your bets that I will be ignoring them.0
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I think the key thing came out right at the end... most of your running isn't "real world" so you use the ipod to distract you from the tedium of the treadmill.
If you run 5k in your neighbourhood you are so busy looking around you, comparing how you felt at this hill last time, doing time checks, looking at how the renovations on that house are going etc that a short run like that just flies by. (marathons are another thing altogether I imagine!!!)
If I cycle on a wind trainer I can barely last 45 minutes before everything hurts too much but I'll go out and ride hard for 4 hours on the road no problem. Its just so different when you are actually going places.
So, when you get to these events and you have the buzz and the crowds and it's only a 5k race I wouldn't fret about the music. You won't even miss it.0 -
thx:happy:0
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Regardless of the bio feedback or safety issues, I can see why you would ban headphones in a sanctioned race. No matter how you look at it, music has a beat and a beat is a timing device. For most, that just means it keeps you motivated...but if you are a competitive athlete who has done the math, you can customize your ipod music selections to provide distinctive pacing throughout your race....in fact you can even buy those types of music training packages already. Taking it a step further (pardon the pun ) now that you can get the ipod inserts for your shoes, not only do you have pace management but actual time/distance feedback right in your headphones.
For the average, "just get me to the finish line" runner, this may not make a whole lot of difference, but it would be an extremely unfair advantage for two guys duking it out to be first at the finish line, with one having technical support and one running 'naked'.
I don't run, but most sports have banned any sort of timing device for racing and I think this is just recognizing how technology is evolving.0 -
paddlemom. thx 4 the input...nice way to think about it I guess...
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All good points. I love to run and I love music. I combine the two for that reason. I hate to do dishes and I love music. I combine the two for that reason. It just makes sense to me. I run to keep my head on straight, and music helps that as well. I'm signed up for three races and I haven't seen any rules about headphones, but I was looking forward to my Nike+ and my music, if only in just one ear. I'll deal if I can't though. I ran part way of my longest run this far with no music because I heard some strange dog/coyote/mammal and wanted to keep my eyes/ears peeled. I can do it, but it's like cake without icing.
I just read a really cool article about Kara Goucher in runner's world- about how her confidence is the key to her performance. My music drowns out the voices in my head that say I'm a chubby girl who can't run, that I'm slow, that I should stop, that I look strange, and that tights should have been outlawed for folks like me. I could probably stand to learn to do that drowning out for myself, but so far me and my playlists have been doing just fine.
I run outside exclusively. By myself. I am aware of what's happening around me, and notice things like changes in decorations around houses and which dogs have gotten used to me and which still lunge at the fences, but I do it with a soundtrack- like most things in my life.0 -
All good points. I love to run and I love music. I combine the two for that reason. I hate to do dishes and I love music. I combine the two for that reason. It just makes sense to me. I run to keep my head on straight, and music helps that as well. I'm signed up for three races and I haven't seen any rules about headphones, but I was looking forward to my Nike+ and my music, if only in just one ear. I'll deal if I can't though. I ran part way of my longest run this far with no music because I heard some strange dog/coyote/mammal and wanted to keep my eyes/ears peeled. I can do it, but it's like cake without icing.
I just read a really cool article about Kara Goucher in runner's world- about how her confidence is the key to her performance. My music drowns out the voices in my head that say I'm a chubby girl who can't run, that I'm slow, that I should stop, that I look strange, and that tights should have been outlawed for folks like me. I could probably stand to learn to do that drowning out for myself, but so far me and my playlists have been doing just fine.
I run outside exclusively. By myself. I am aware of what's happening around me, and notice things like changes in decorations around houses and which dogs have gotten used to me and which still lunge at the fences, but I do it with a soundtrack- like most things in my life.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I COULD HAVE WRITTEN THIS POST!!!!0 -
I started running Jan 2009 with an IPOD. I recently joined a half marthon training group and our instructor said "leave the music at home; why did you join a group to be solo".
Fair enough!
So, I am learning to run without music and at first it really sucked, I love to hear the music to get me up a hill! Now, I'm learning, but the silence along with listening to my body and my breathing is getting easier. I'm finding it peaceful!
You can do it, you have lost weight and have gotten healthier so anything can be accomplished at this point!0 -
Merv I guess your instructor really did make sense when he said "why did you join a group to be solo?" Never really thought about it like that!! Thx 0
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I've always run with music, it never occurred to me not to I guess as I am so used to needing to drown out traffic. I've currently got vestibular damage/ balance issues and very loud tinnitus which makes me nauseous - until I put music on, it doesn't have to be loud just enough to have a rhythm to take away from the constant high pitched squeal I hear 24/7 (it's like how you can hear electrical items sometimes until you unplug them).
I would not sign up to a race with a headphone ban as I normally run distances for charities and it helps me to breathe to the beat so i don't hyperventilate from the crowds, noise and distractions of people nattering away to each other (drives me crazy hearing Beryl and Betty discussing when they are next going on a cruise...)
I'm choosing to run for a charity on runs that are closed off to traffic and are clearly marked out - and I've paid to be there - so I really don't understand why they want to stop you from running in a way that is comfortable to you... if they say about not being able to hear, what do they do about deaf and hard of hearing runners?
To me, it's as ridiculous as imposing a ban on running trousers it's so strange. I'm not competing in the Olympics and so unless you are someone who is in the 'elite athletes group' I find it a very odd thing to impose - I'm fairly certain the elite athletes can run through any conditions either way!
I also find it weird they are banning it because something that is far more dangerous is what I see on the roads daily - people on bikes with no fluoro gear and big massive Beats headphones on!?
So will be reading the fine print on races in the future - I can't wear my headphones, I can't run so therefore that event loses my money and endorsement. Or I'll set up my own headphone only run - from what I read into the American running info on this is that they are worried they won't get insurance and will be sued by runners that run into traffic.... how ridiculous.....
In regards to people who don't get out of the way, I'm normally overtaking people without headphones (Beryl and Betty again) chatting so they have no idea I am trying to run past them.
I am still able to hear, so imposing a blanket ban is ridiculous, it should just be advised that you keep the music low to hear the announcements and traffic if there is any. If you are daft enough to have it louder or wander into traffic, it's your own fault. Besides, I'm fairly certain you sign some sort of waiver against injuries sustained during races, at least I have in the past, for being responsible for yourself.
Guess I will have to set up a headphones only charity race if they keep getting banned. It really does pass the time better when I have a good beat instead of panting and wheezing women who only run once a year.... ah the joys of running for good causes...
As for the 'keeping your pace etc' ban Garmins... it tells you too much info and I can't afford one... so ban them all...
Like I said, I'm not trying to win anything - they should have separate categories 'elites' and 'running for me' - elites can have headphone bans and the rest of us can just do our own thing.... seems very unfair you can get disqualified for listening to music.
We should also ban laces... health and safety... those bad boys come undone and it's a tripping hazard.... also drinking.... there is a higher rate of aspiration from drinking water than more viscous liquids.... so we must not drink....
Also, we should have a weight and height requirement - if you're too short you'll get trampled, too tall and you'll trip over 'average sized people.... overweight people are more likely to have a heart attack, so we are not insured for that either.... and exceedingly skinny people may just keel over from exhaustion.... so they are banned too....
Wow I am getting good at this banning malarky.... hmmm... oh and ban anyone over 35 from wearing those god awful 'short-shorts' I do not need to see wrinkly man thighs or anything residing between them.... and fluorescent running gear.... causes migraines...
Now sunglasses... they should also be banned as they actually limit your vision.... you may not see the cars coming at you....
Considering I have not died on the road yet and have been running for many years with earphones in, can we get a bit of common sense back.... and would it kill you to tap someone on the shoulder to get them to move out the way? Really?
The more I think on this, the more crazy it all sounds...0 -
I wish all races would enforce the no headphones rule more often. If they are such a crutch that you need to run, then don't sign up for races if you can't run without them. If your thing is plugging in the music and going for a nice run, have at it. But I think its pretty sad that such fuss is made when you aren't allowed to wear them for a race.0
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Well that sucks! I'm not a runner but I like to bike. I use wireless headset. My music went dead on me one time, I thought I was gonna die trying to keep cadence at a normal pace. So yea, music does indeed help kick up it up a notch.
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I've tried running without my music. I don't like it so much. I get to a certain point and if I don't have music to distract me I hit a wall and end up stopping. I could do with an MP3 play with volume control though! I've been using my swimming one which is one volume only!0
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that crazytalk. I could not do it. I would not do it!0
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I ran my first 5K earlier this spring and I trained with headphones. On the day of the race, I was so preoccupied that I forgot them and didn't even realize it til it was too late. I was really bummed out but once the race started, I had so much fun running with different terrain, scenery, tons of people around, I didn't even care about the music at that point. I found that I naturally found my own pace without the music and I even got a better time.0
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I prefer to run with music, but it's no big deal to run without. Try it a few times before the race.
And really, if you cant find the motivation from within, to run for just 5k, for a race, maybe you don't really like running all that much.0 -
I wish all races would enforce the no headphones rule more often. If they are such a crutch that you need to run, then don't sign up for races if you can't run without them. If your thing is plugging in the music and going for a nice run, have at it. But I think its pretty sad that such fuss is made when you aren't allowed to wear them for a race.
this. for anyone whos ever run in races you know that you definitely need to hear what's going on around you so you dont crash into other people. plus i've run some really poorly put together courses where you needed to pay attention to verbal cues the race volunteers were shouting.
i train with music but during races i dont listen andi dont really need to.i find that my pace is faster during races anyway, so it's not like i need to be reminded to not slow down0 -
LOL!! Our Society is doomed. :ohwell:0
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