Dr has recommended the Ideal Protein diet...
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Why did your doctor want you to lose weight so quickly? Is there a health threat involved like high blood pressure, or high diabetes numbers? Usually if they want you to lose that fast it's because you are at risk for a stroke or heart attack and they need to lower your weight quickly to get you out of that danger zone.0
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I think I might know him!
Is your Doctors name by chance....... dr Oz??:huh:0 -
That is a diet plan that they offer here at the hospital I work for. I know 5-6 people that went on it when the department first started, they were employee's that received extreme discounts for doing it and to be able to show how it worked.
They all lost alot of weight, however, only 2 of them have kept it off once they returned to eating real food. The other's have gained it back and then some. One has since had Gatric Bypass Surgery.
BTW, have you tasted Ideal Protein? It's absolutely horrible, there is no way that I would have been able to choke the drinks down. Yes they are that bad!! And give you horrible horrible breathe. lol
One of my good friends went on Ideal Protein and I went on a low carb diet at the same time. I actually lost more weight than she did and I was eating real food. It is a low carb, low calorie diet so of course it's going to work but who's going to continue eating that way!! And it's not cheap either.
FYI this is just my opinion and what I have observed, so to those that have done Ideal Protein and it worked you deserve many KUDOS!!!! I couldn't have done it.0 -
I went on the IP diet because others I knew had great success. It is hard and very strict but it works and I felt absolutely amazing on it! I had energy and was healthy. Didn't get the normal winter cold or sinus infection. I liked that it was so strict because I needed someone telling me exactly what to eat and how much. I am 56 and was taking BP medicine twice a day and my Dr. wanted to put me on cholesterol medicine. My BP is now normal and my lipid panel is all well within the normal range. After I reached my goal I started working out more and being more conscious of what I eat. I still allow myself 'fun' days but get back at it and am keeping the weight off. I went from a size 16 to a size 9. I started early Nov and reached my goal in April.
And I agree that some of the food is bad. But I found three shakes I loved and stuck to those three things.0 -
... I would not listen to the general "eat what you like, IIFYM!" advice given that your doctor is telling you your body struggles with a high carb intake, and that's likely to just lead you down a road to frustration.
Eat what you like within the guidelines of a carb restricted diet, not IIFYM. No need for protein shakes and the like or diet books.
You prefer real food and so do I. What foods do you like to eat that fall within the guidelines? Chicken, fish, eggs, lean meats?
Work each meal around a protein food, some fat and then add carbs like veggies and berries.
You're more likely to stick with the program eating foods you like.0 -
Eat real food - everyone i know who has done IP has gained it back quickly after they go off it. Plus, the IP stuff is pricer than just eating real foods. Is there any reason for your Dr. to want you to drop the weight quickly?
I am officially pre-diabetic with possible glucose or is it insulin intolerance; I need to have some more testing done. So I know I need to reduce my carbs and increase proteins but I'm not sure what the guidelines for that is.
I prefer real food. :bigsmile:
Personally, I would suggest other options... maybe talk with a nutritionist. Does your medical plan cover nutritionists? I was pre-diabetic, progressed to full on type 2diabetes and reversed my diagnosis by simply cutting out refined sugar, lowering carbs, reducing calorie intake and in general reading nutritional labels on products. With the help of MFP to track my daily food consumption, my doctor touts me as an example to her other patients how it can be done. I have been in maintenance mode for over a year now... weight loss can be achieved with determination.
Great hopes in your success... regardless of the route you take to get there!0 -
... I would not listen to the general "eat what you like, IIFYM!" advice given that your doctor is telling you your body struggles with a high carb intake, and that's likely to just lead you down a road to frustration.
Eat what you like within the guidelines of a carb restricted diet, not IIFYM. No need for protein shakes and the like or diet books.
You prefer real food and so do I. What foods do you like to eat that fall within the guidelines? Chicken, fish, eggs, lean meats?
Work each meal around a protein food, some fat and then add carbs like veggies and berries.
You're more likely to stick with the program eating foods you like.
I think we're saying the same thing, just in slightly different ways.0 -
"You should diet on as many calories as possible." - Layne Norton - PhD
Go on YouTube and watch Layne's video titled Metabolic Damage Part 2 and the go find a licensed Dietician (not nutritionist, there's a difference).0 -
Eat real food - everyone i know who has done IP has gained it back quickly after they go off it. Plus, the IP stuff is pricer than just eating real foods. Is there any reason for your Dr. to want you to drop the weight quickly?
I am officially pre-diabetic with possible glucose or is it insulin intolerance; I need to have some more testing done. So I know I need to reduce my carbs and increase proteins but I'm not sure what the guidelines for that is.
I prefer real food. :bigsmile:
Everybody is going to be different so the guidelines will vary. I was diagnosed T2 diabetic in January with an A1C of 7.2 (generally, between 6 and 7 is prediabetic so I was just over the line) and a weight of 311 lb (5'7"). My doctor told me to eat no more than 180 gr. of carbs and aim for a loss of 1 lb a week. My last appointment with her, I had an A1C of 5.6 and I have lost 48 lb. I have done this by eating real foods that fit in with my macros and taking a very low dose of a diabetes med which I expect to be off by the end of summer.
If you are not happy with your doctor's recommendations and there is not a medical reason for losing so fast, I would get a second opinion from another doctor.0 -
It sounds like your doctor is a quack if they suggest anything other than moderation and exercise.0
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If possible, I think it would be a good idea to discuss your concerns with your doctor. If they are not receptive, it may be a good idea to seek another medical opinion. You don't necessarily want to go "doctor shopping" by looking for someone who will only tell you what you want to hear but, on the other hand, it's important that you participate in your own treatment and have good communications with those medical professionals who are trying to help. Just my opinion.0
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"You should diet on as many calories as possible." - Layne Norton - PhD
Go on YouTube and watch Layne's video titled Metabolic Damage Part 2 and the go find a licensed Dietician (not nutritionist, there's a difference).
Metabolic damage as advocated by Layne hasn't really been proven nor is his theory widely accepted. Not to mention you need to put that quote in proper context; Layne is almost certainly giving advice for bodybuilders looking to cut weight and retain lean muscle mass, and not someone who is obese, at risk for diabetes and whose doctor is telling them to lose weight and lose it fast. Bodybuilding is not about improving health (or even healthy as a general matter), and likewise bodybuilding advice is not really appropriate for someone looking to improve their health.0 -
Hi! I don't know anything about this diet, but what I would say is that if you have concerns you need to do one of a few things. First, talk to your doctor about your concerns and ask about other options. Second, if talking to your doctor doesn't make you feel comfortable with the plan, or if they refuse to offer alternatives, find a different doctor. See a dietician who specializes in weight loss and work with them. The same thing doesn't work for everyone and your doctor needs to be willing to help you find something that works for you AND that you're comfortable with. If that doesn't work, then just start experimenting. Use MFP as the tool it was meant to be and follow the meal plan they set up for you and see what happens. Eat as healthfully as you can and the rest will fall in place.
I am a firm believer that healthy eating is the way to go. I am an insulin dependent diabetic and after 2 years, had only lost a fraction of the weight I wanted to lose. I met with a diabetes specialist and she and I worked out a plan that I was happy with. She recommended starting with the least extreme and most healthy option and if that fails, then you consider other options.
Hope this helps. Wishing you the best of luck and please feel free to friend request me if you'd like support along the way!0 -
I have not done Ideal Protein, but I know people who have done the diet, and I know people who promote/sell the program and its products.
Personally, I don't think it's a great thing. It does work, and if you can stick to the program, you will lose a lot of weight in a short period of time, but as you said earlier in the thread, it doesn't really teach you portion control or how to eat a normal diet with appropriate serving sizes.
From what I understand, there are 4 phases to the program. The first phase is very restrictive and requires that you eat around 800 calories a day, which is why physical exertion is prohibited. It's also very, very low carb, and in order to successfully adhere to the program, you pretty much have to buy their pre-packaged food products (many of which are 0 calorie 0 carb... I accidentally bought a 0 calorie salad dressing at the store once and it was nasty, but that's just me). It can get expensive. If you're the only one you have to buy food for, then I guess the food expenses might even out, but if you have a family that you have to continue to feed regular food, you might find it very pricey.
Aside from being very low calorie, which I personally am not in favor of, it seems to be one of those diets that you kind of have to stay on forever. People who lose their desired amount of weight and make it to goal often find themselves gaining weight very rapidly once they reach the maintenance phase. From my understanding, the diet recommends that everyone re-do phase 1 once a year to maintain their weight.
I understand that because you're pre-diabetic, it might be better for you to eat a lower-carb diet. Perhaps you would benefit from seeing a licensed dietitian who can help you figure out a low-carb way of eating regular food that's less aggressive and easier to adhere to.0 -
"You should diet on as many calories as possible." - Layne Norton - PhD
Go on YouTube and watch Layne's video titled Metabolic Damage Part 2 and the go find a licensed Dietician (not nutritionist, there's a difference).
Metabolic damage as advocated by Layne hasn't really been proven nor is his theory widely accepted. Not to mention you need to put that quote in proper context; Layne is almost certainly giving advice for bodybuilders looking to cut weight and retain lean muscle mass, and not someone who is obese, at risk for diabetes and whose doctor is telling them to lose weight and lose it fast. Bodybuilding is not about improving health (or even healthy as a general matter), and likewise bodybuilding advice is not really appropriate for someone looking to improve their health.
It has not been completely proven, but neither have many scientific beliefs that we maintain, nothing wrong with scientific theories supported by results. If you listen to his videos and even those of his peers in the fitness industry; there is credible evidence that it does exist. It becomes further apparent when you meet people as described as having metabolic damage and you see it first-hand. 100% proven, nope. Results support the theory, absolutely.0 -
This sounds like a diet that you pay your dr to be on?
If so, you are advised not to exercise so that you lose muscle weight as well as fat - so as long as you're seeing the scale moving downwards you'll keep paying the money. They usually sell vitamins/supplements (that you can get cheaper elsewhere) to prevent hair loss etc.
I know from experience
this diet will work to help you lose weight. You might not keep it off long term and you could probably get better results (body composition wise) using this site with a lower deficit adding strength training to maintain LM and cardio for heart health and more food 
You can set this up to whatever macro balance suits you, so you can do high protein if you want. Good luck whatever you decide. Don't want to scare mongrel too much - a low cal diet like this shouldn't do you any harm, health wise, if you have a lot to lose and the doctor is monitoring everything properly.
^This. Especially if the doctor is practicing at a bariatrics clinic. They have a vested interest in you seeing the scale drop quickly, so that they can make as much money as possible in a small amount of time. Plus, the faster you see the weight come off, the less likely you are to quit coming to them.0 -
I have a friend who did Medifast, lost an amazing amount of weight, and has kept it off. It worked for her because it was structured and easier than having to worry about what to eat. She also took up kickboxing and still does it.
It is not something I would recommend to most people since I prefer to focus on making sustainable healthy lifestyle changes even if the weight doesn't come off as fast.
Some people may do better with that initial boost of weight loss to get them going. For others it will be a waste of money, especially if you go back to old habits that made you overweight to begin with. If it takes all your willpower to stay on the diet and you have to choke down the food while craving something else, you probably won't last long.
It all depends on your personality and priorities.0 -
A lot of studies have shown health benefits after losing just 5-10% of total weight, which sounds like what your doctor wants you to achieve. Maybe use his diet until you achieve the 10%, then switch to using MFP with higher protein and lower carb macronutrient goals?
Personally, I could just about stick to a short term plan (although the whining would be awe inspiring lol), with the promise of "normality" further on. Achieving your goal weight will not happen overnight, so why not eat food you like and move in ways you enjoy as well as learning lots of interesting stuff about yourself in the meantime?0 -
"You should diet on as many calories as possible." - Layne Norton - PhD
Go on YouTube and watch Layne's video titled Metabolic Damage Part 2 and the go find a licensed Dietician (not nutritionist, there's a difference).
Metabolic damage as advocated by Layne hasn't really been proven nor is his theory widely accepted. Not to mention you need to put that quote in proper context; Layne is almost certainly giving advice for bodybuilders looking to cut weight and retain lean muscle mass, and not someone who is obese, at risk for diabetes and whose doctor is telling them to lose weight and lose it fast. Bodybuilding is not about improving health (or even healthy as a general matter), and likewise bodybuilding advice is not really appropriate for someone looking to improve their health.
It has not been completely proven, but neither have many scientific beliefs that we maintain, nothing wrong with scientific theories supported by results. If you listen to his videos and even those of his peers in the fitness industry; there is credible evidence that it does exist. It becomes further apparent when you meet people as described as having metabolic damage and you see it first-hand. 100% proven, nope. Results support the theory, absolutely.
What's been shown is a metabolic slowdown from eating a caloric deficit, but that came around long before Layne's theory of metabolic damage. But the bigger problem is you're trying to take contest prep. advice from a bodybuilder and apply it to someone who's trying to lose weight due to health complications - it just does not work. Look outside youtube and bodybuilding advice (again, a sport that is not even remotely about health) and you'll find doctors recommending aggressive caloric deficits because they understand the health risks of obesity. With more obese patients, VLCD's are not altogether uncommon recommendations for the same reasons. They're dealing with health; Layne is dealing with contest prep (and even then, others would argue Layne's theory on this issue can be explained with inaccurate logging from bodybuilders and fluctuations in water weight). Cutting as slowly as possible may be great when you're trying to preserve your gains, but it's irresponsible advice to give to someone whose doctor is warning them about diabetes.0 -
"You should diet on as many calories as possible." - Layne Norton - PhD
Go on YouTube and watch Layne's video titled Metabolic Damage Part 2 and the go find a licensed Dietician (not nutritionist, there's a difference).
Metabolic damage as advocated by Layne hasn't really been proven nor is his theory widely accepted. Not to mention you need to put that quote in proper context; Layne is almost certainly giving advice for bodybuilders looking to cut weight and retain lean muscle mass, and not someone who is obese, at risk for diabetes and whose doctor is telling them to lose weight and lose it fast. Bodybuilding is not about improving health (or even healthy as a general matter), and likewise bodybuilding advice is not really appropriate for someone looking to improve their health.
It has not been completely proven, but neither have many scientific beliefs that we maintain, nothing wrong with scientific theories supported by results. If you listen to his videos and even those of his peers in the fitness industry; there is credible evidence that it does exist. It becomes further apparent when you meet people as described as having metabolic damage and you see it first-hand. 100% proven, nope. Results support the theory, absolutely.
What's been shown is a metabolic slowdown from eating a caloric deficit, but that came around long before Layne's theory of metabolic damage. But the bigger problem is you're trying to take contest prep. advice from a bodybuilder and apply it to someone who's trying to lose weight due to health complications - it just does not work. Look outside youtube and bodybuilding advice (again, a sport that is not even remotely about health) and you'll find doctors recommending aggressive caloric deficits because they understand the health risks of obesity. With more obese patients, VLCD's are not altogether uncommon recommendations for the same reasons. They're dealing with health; Layne is dealing with contest prep (and even then, others would argue Layne's theory on this issue can be explained with inaccurate logging from bodybuilders and fluctuations in water weight). Cutting as slowly as possible may be great when you're trying to preserve your gains, but it's irresponsible advice to give to someone whose doctor is warning them about diabetes.
Well, Layne and others that also believe in this concept do largely deal with contest prep but they also deal with healthy every day individuals struggling with weight loss. Layne was just a more visible individual that discusses this. If I mentioned my professor or others that have discussed this concept people would be like, who the hell are you talking about. I'm a MS student so I definitely look at stuff holistically outside the realm of figure athletes, but the concept makes sense. I personally know somebody that is dealing with this issue and is dealing with it as some of the solutions presented for the concept of Metabolic Damage. Maybe it's not applicable to the OP, but I would still recommend that she goes to a licensed dietitian for specific advice about her situation as a GP is not always the most knowledgeable resource. I may have miscommunicated my initial point as well. I'm not implying that's what she has, but rather be careful of highly restrictive calorie diets. Especially something that she can't commit to in the long-term. I completely agree with what you said about eating food she likes. She needs to set herself up for success by sticking to something that is manageable long-term.0
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