herbalife

There's a world of difference between, "I like this peanut butter better" and "this product makes false claims." You can pretend to ignore that all you'd like. Doesn't change the fact.

Not all products are equal, it's not up to everyone's personal preference.

Would you buy a chair with 4 legs or just one one on the corner that always falls over?

At the end of the day, if I like my shakes to be of the Herbalife variety rather than Body by Vi or Shakeology or whatever else, the actual product itself is neither here nor there. It IS my personal preference and quite frankly, none of your business. I shared with OP that I like the product, but that educating oneself on nutrition is important. I have the RIGHT to like the shakes, whether you think they are 1 legged chair or not. The end.

As far as Herbalife as a company, all I said was that it shouldn't be classified as a "scam" because at the end of the day it's a business - it manufactures a product which it trades to consumers for money. I never claimed that Herbalife salespeople had morals or that the high pressure sales approach was right. Do "independant distributors" and "wellness coaches" prey on the fat and ignorant? Sure. Are their claims of "I make so much money" and "I'm so healthy now, the shakes cured my cancer" a load of bull****? Absolutely. I could list a hundred other companies whose sales people use the same techniques, and who also prey on the ignorant. It's not a scam to sell something to someone. Morally, not the highest road to take, but not a SCAM.

As far as Herbalife as a company, all I said was that it shouldn't be classified as a "scam" because at the end of the day it's a business - it manufactures a product which it trades to consumers for money. I never claimed that Herbalife salespeople had morals or that the high pressure sales approach was right. Do "independant distributors" and "wellness coaches" prey on the fat and ignorant? Sure. Are their claims of "I make so much money" and "I'm so healthy now, the shakes cured my cancer" a load of bull****? Absolutely. I could list a hundred other companies whose sales people use the same techniques, and who also prey on the ignorant. It's not a scam to sell something to someone. Morally, not the highest road to take, but not a SCAM.

You also haven't answered me here either. Would like your thoughts.

Your "magic" shakes, which enhance weight loss/lower blood pressure/clear up skin/fight cancer are nothing special, and the claims made are nothing more than a sales pitch.

I absolutely agree.

So how exactly do you think that selling a product based on false pretenses and lies doesn't equal "scam"?

I tend to doubt the intelligence level of people who drop out of high school. If that makes me judgmental, so be it. Guess you can lump me in with most every employer, ever.

My employer wasn't judgemental, thankfully.
Now, thirty years down the road, I'm collecting a nice, fat pension.

Here's a flower for you. :flowerforyou:

Good for you. Sincerely.

Dropping out of 9th grade is still something I'm gonna put down in the "not wise decisions" column. As I'm sure you do too. I smoke. I really hope my daughter never starts. I'm willing to bet you didn't/hypothetically wouldn't tell your kids it's ok to drop out of school.

30 years ago is one thing...I'm thinking today it might be a different story. Just depends.

There's a world of difference between, "I like this peanut butter better" and "this product makes false claims." You can pretend to ignore that all you'd like. Doesn't change the fact.

Not all products are equal, it's not up to everyone's personal preference.

Would you buy a chair with 4 legs or just one one on the corner that always falls over?

At the end of the day, if I like my shakes to be of the Herbalife variety rather than Body by Vi or Shakeology or whatever else, the actual product itself is neither here nor there. It IS my personal preference and quite frankly, none of your business. I shared with OP that I like the product, but that educating oneself on nutrition is important. I have the RIGHT to like the shakes, whether you think they are 1 legged chair or not. The end.

As far as Herbalife as a company, all I said was that it shouldn't be classified as a "scam" because at the end of the day it's a business - it manufactures a product which it trades to consumers for money. I never claimed that Herbalife salespeople had morals or that the high pressure sales approach was right. Do "independant distributors" and "wellness coaches" prey on the fat and ignorant? Sure. Are their claims of "I make so much money" and "I'm so healthy now, the shakes cured my cancer" a load of bull****? Absolutely. I could list a hundred other companies whose sales people use the same techniques, and who also prey on the ignorant. It's not a scam to sell something to someone. Morally, not the highest road to take, but not a SCAM.

You can do what you like, no one ever disputed that. The big thing is that it is a scam. You came in here saying it's not and challenging that yet haven't proven how a company that has been challenged by the FDA because of the FALSE claims it makes towards a persons health isn't a scam. If it's not a scam, prove it.

If you sell something promising it'll do things it won't, knowing FULL WELL that it WON'T do those things, it's a scam.

I tried it.

Lost 14lbs in the first month when I don't weigh that much to begin with.
Gained everything right back when I started craving real food.
Now I have about 13 opened canisters in my closet that I can't return :grumble:

It's not worth it. Just eat real food at a deficit and you'll lose weight. Eat food at your maintenance calories, and you'll maintain your weight. Eat food at a surplus to gain weight. You don't need to drink shakes to reach any of these goals. Save your money.

Did the wellness coach, from who u bought the food, made you a program what to eat?

I eat 5 times a day, and it is not only shakes. My food includes, meat, vegetables, fruit, kernels, milk products etc. I removed the junk food and soda, white sugar, white salt and products made with white flour. I have a lots of energy and better dreams with this type of food.

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That does it. My all time favorite new claim. Improved dreams. That beats saying it cures cancer.

Sry mate, my English it's not ok. I wanted to say that I had problems before with falling a sleep and waking up from bed.

LOL Love the internets sometimes.

ready to throat punch babies for a chicken wing.

babies carry chicken wings?

High school was way to structured for me.I flourished in a university environment.

Too. I think you meant to type, "too structured for me".

High school was way to structured for me.I flourished in a university environment.

Too. I think you meant to type, "too structured for me".

Strong first post and violates the TOS to boot!

Strong first post and violates the TOS to boot!

TOS? I'm a newb and had no idea. But, come on. It was too easy.