Chip Timing?

congruns · July 2014

I am running in the Huntington Beach Big 8K on Sunday and the wife is running in the 2K with dog. I didn't realize that the starts are 2 hours are apart, so I want to run with my wife and dog in the 2K, but I don't want to pay a 2nd entry fee for the 2K because I am cheap and race entries are starting to pile up. If I run with my bib from the 8K, will this overwrite my 8K results. Or is it better to just take the bib off. I figure its such a big event, I can just join the crowd because I don't care about being timed in the 2K.

Feel free to not answer the question also and post unsolicited judgements. forums work well that way

126siany · July 2014

Please don't do this unless you are actually purchasing entries for both races.

ThickMcRunFast · July 2014

As a general rule, banditing races is poor form.

3dogsrunning · July 2014

As a general rule, banditing races is poor form.

x 2.
If you do go against this advice, please do not enter the finish line area in the race you are not registered for.

AdventureFreak · July 2014

so much hate for the race drop in. These things are expensive. I don't blame the guy for considering it. Have none of you ever seen two movies for the admission price of one?

3dogsrunning · July 2014

so much hate for the race drop in. These things are expensive. I don't blame the guy for considering it. Have none of you ever seen two movies for the admission price of one?

I don't blame him for considering it but as someone who volunteers as a race director, I see the other side of the coin as well.

126siany · July 2014

so much hate for the race drop in. These things are expensive. I don't blame the guy for considering it. Have none of you ever seen two movies for the admission price of one?

I don't blame him for considering it but as someone who volunteers as a race director, I see the other side of the coin as well.

Exactly. It's also no picnic for the people who DID PAY and now have an overly crowded field due to banditing.

congruns · July 2014

so much hate for the race drop in. These things are expensive. I don't blame the guy for considering it. Have none of you ever seen two movies for the admission price of one?

no biggie, I knew folks would say much about righteousness. i think i might be able to rob someone for the 2nd entry fund.

if i cared about my 1.2 mile time, I would pay the feel, but a rich man once said, its not about how much you make, its about how much you save.

at the very least, people could have said, "i don't know all the details about chip timing.
I am lucky to find smaller race groups that allow me to volunteer for a race one weekend and then race the next weekend.

ThickMcRunFast · July 2014

so much hate for the race drop in. These things are expensive. I don't blame the guy for considering it. Have none of you ever seen two movies for the admission price of one?

no biggie, I knew folks would say much about righteousness. i think i might be able to rob someone for the 2nd entry fund.

if i cared about my 1.2 mile time, I would pay the feel, but a rich man once said, its not about how much you make, its about how much you save.

at the very least, people could have said, "i don't know all the details about chip timing.
I am lucky to find smaller race groups that allow me to volunteer for a race one weekend and then race the next weekend.

I do know the details of chip timing. I also know the details of being a race director. Its about more than you and your mile time. There are logistics that go into it, based on how many people have registered for the race. Sorry for not supporting your idea to steal some shiz from others. Wait, no, I'm not sorry.

3dogsrunning · July 2014

so much hate for the race drop in. These things are expensive. I don't blame the guy for considering it. Have none of you ever seen two movies for the admission price of one?

no biggie, I knew folks would say much about righteousness. i think i might be able to rob someone for the 2nd entry fund.

if i cared about my 1.2 mile time, I would pay the feel, but a rich man once said, its not about how much you make, its about how much you save.

at the very least, people could have said, "i don't know all the details about chip timing.
I am lucky to find smaller race groups that allow me to volunteer for a race one weekend and then race the next weekend.

Um, I did suggest that if you do choose to bandit the race to avoid the finish area. That pretty much elimintates the issue with the bib as well as avoids any conflict you may cause if the organizers have a back up timing system in place.

126siany · July 2014

so much hate for the race drop in. These things are expensive. I don't blame the guy for considering it. Have none of you ever seen two movies for the admission price of one?

no biggie, I knew folks would say much about righteousness. i think i might be able to rob someone for the 2nd entry fund.

if i cared about my 1.2 mile time, I would pay the feel, but a rich man once said, its not about how much you make, its about how much you save.

at the very least, people could have said, "i don't know all the details about chip timing.
I am lucky to find smaller race groups that allow me to volunteer for a race one weekend and then race the next weekend.

But you are "robbing someone". The paying participants of that race and the race organizers.

goldmay · July 2014

You'd probably only have results shown for the 8K, but I'm not sure if the 2K will overwrite anything. And a lot of places will pull you out if they see you running without a bib.

That being said, running both without paying for both is not cool.. especially since it's a charity race for fallen troops.

lyrics09 · July 2014

Feel free to not answer the question also and post unsolicited judgements. forums work well that way

Are you mad because they aren't saying what you wanted to hear? Stealing isn't very nice and why do all the other people have to pay entry fees but you don't? The race fee encompasses more than just the finish line rewards and timing; all the money spent on setting up, materials, safety precautions, man power, etc etc. They're saying that it isn't fair that you want to skip contributing just because you don't want to pay for that but you paid for another one. The race also has a limited number of entries, more than likely, since its probably a set total they limit so that everyone that paid to race has enough space and their safety is ensured. Now crowd that all up with a bunch of bandits lol that's not the experience others paid for.

Its sweet you want to run with your wife and dog, but can you plan that a bit better next time? Or pick another race down the road to do it together? Or why not just run on your own together somewhere amazing like a day-trip. No ones calling you names, they're just saying you're not so special that you don't have to pay any fees and get to do what you want without SOME judgement.

Achrya · July 2014

so much hate for the race drop in. These things are expensive. I don't blame the guy for considering it. Have none of you ever seen two movies for the admission price of one?

Um. No? Is that a common thing in your social circle?

brianpperkins · July 2014

The fact you don't want judgments posted shows you know what you are considering is wrong. The erosion of basic civility continues as evidenced by the OP and his supporter.

ThickMcRunFast · July 2014

I missed that this was to benefit the families of fallen soldiers. OP, you'd have to be a real d-bag to bandit this race.

PikaKnight · July 2014

I am running in the Huntington Beach Big 8K on Sunday and the wife is running in the 2K with dog. I didn't realize that the starts are 2 hours are apart, so I want to run with my wife and dog in the 2K, but I don't want to pay a 2nd entry fee for the 2K because I am cheap and race entries are starting to pile up. If I run with my bib from the 8K, will this overwrite my 8K results. Or is it better to just take the bib off. I figure its such a big event, I can just join the crowd because I don't care about being timed in the 2K.

Feel free to not answer the question also and post unsolicited judgements. forums work well that way

And it's a charity race for families of fallen soldiers?

jofjltncb6 · July 2014

so much hate for the race drop in. These things are expensive. I don't blame the guy for considering it. Have none of you ever seen two movies for the admission price of one?

No, I haven't. Should I?

However, maybe I will the next time the local theater has a charity fundraiser.

brianpperkins · July 2014

OP,
Tell a wounded warrior you're too cheap to pay to do the 2k with your wife ... or a Gold Star Mother ... I guarantee you'll get a less kind reaction then you've seen here.

SonicDeathMonkey80 · July 2014

I'm sorry that you're cheap - get a second job. I'm also sorry that you're an *kitten* - can't fix that, unfortunately.

George_Baileys_Ghost · July 2014

For a charity run? And you also have the balls to scold people for not patting you on the back over it. Be sure to shove slower people down while you're doing it. You wouldn't want anyone thinking that you're only half a ****.

Cranquistador · July 2014

Alluminati · July 2014

Eta: someone already said this above me.

I gotta go now, cause the smell of massengill is strong upon you, OP.

Otterluv · July 2014

For a charity run? And you also have the balls to scold people for not patting you on the back over it. Be sure to shove slower people down while you're doing it. You wouldn't want anyone thinking that you're only half a ****.

^^^ this

It's a jerk move, OP, there's no way to nice it up.

Derp_Diggler · July 2014

A Charity Event for fallen soldiers, and you're choosing to chinz out on the entry fee because it's too expensive? Is the irony of the fact that this is to benefit those who paid the ULTIMATE price for you to have the privilege to run in such a race lost on you?

You're special OP. Real special.

DavPul · July 2014

so much hate for the race drop in. These things are expensive. I don't blame the guy for considering it. Have none of you ever seen two movies for the admission price of one?

Yes, it is perfectly okay to consider stealing all things that one deems expensive. Races, diamonds, cocaine, that nice lcd TV that you hung in your living room. Anyone that pays money for things is a sucker.

AMORALITY FOR EVERYONE

davemunger · July 2014

To answer the original poster's question without making a moral judgment, I am a race timer and unless the timer is an idiot, the number will not wipe out the time from the previous event.

Timing systems are built to handle the runner crossing the line more than once. They understand that the first time the runner crosses is the "real" finish. Many runners return to cheer on their friends, etc. If we overwrote the runners' time every time that happened, we'd have a LOT of unhappy customers.

3dogsrunning · July 2014

To answer the original poster's question without making a moral judgment, I am a race timer and unless the timer is an idiot, the number will not wipe out the time from the previous event.

Timing systems are built to handle the runner crossing the line more than once. They understand that the first time the runner crosses is the "real" finish. Many runners return to cheer on their friends, etc. If we overwrote the runners' time every time that happened, we'd have a LOT of unhappy customers.

I was under the impression that the 2k was first and his bib is for the 8k.

To add - not that it applies here, but for less sophisticated timing systems, runners crossing the line more than once can create havoc and headaches. BTDT.

davemunger · July 2014

To answer the original poster's question without making a moral judgment, I am a race timer and unless the timer is an idiot, the number will not wipe out the time from the previous event.

Timing systems are built to handle the runner crossing the line more than once. They understand that the first time the runner crosses is the "real" finish. Many runners return to cheer on their friends, etc. If we overwrote the runners' time every time that happened, we'd have a LOT of unhappy customers.

I was under the impression that the 2k was first and his bib is for the 8k.

Then unless the timer is doing something very unusual (aka stupid), it still wouldn't override the 8k. Generally a timing system works by populating the race database with the names of runners and matching them to their pre-registered numbers. He's not registered for the 2k, so therefore the number would not match up to his name.

Same principle. It's perfectly legit for a runner to stand at the finish and cheer his friend on, then run in his event later that day. If timers credited runners with these "accidental" reads they would soon be run out of business.

edit to respond to above edit:

To add - not that it applies here, but for less sophisticated timing systems, runners crossing the line more than once can create havoc and headaches. BTDT.

Yes, that can happen and does happen. But it is usually the timer's fault, and is easily corrected if the timer knows what s/he is doing (which often they do not). And it is much more unusual in cases like this where you actually have two separate events.

3dogsrunning · July 2014

To answer the original poster's question without making a moral judgment, I am a race timer and unless the timer is an idiot, the number will not wipe out the time from the previous event.

Timing systems are built to handle the runner crossing the line more than once. They understand that the first time the runner crosses is the "real" finish. Many runners return to cheer on their friends, etc. If we overwrote the runners' time every time that happened, we'd have a LOT of unhappy customers.

I was under the impression that the 2k was first and his bib is for the 8k.

Then unless the timer is doing something very unusual (aka stupid), it still wouldn't override the 8k. Generally a timing system works by populating the race database with the names of runners and matching them to their pre-registered numbers. He's not registered for the 2k, so therefore the number would not match up to his name.

Same principle. It's perfectly legit for a runner to stand at the finish and cheer his friend on, then run in his event later that day. If timers credited runners with these "accidental" reads they would soon be run out of business.

The way I read it I thought you meant it takes your first time across.

I know the new system we use here doesn't overwrite if someone were to cross twice but I was unsure how it worked with the registering in different races.
We do use a different type of chip for this timing system.

Yes, that can happen and does happen. But it is usually the timer's fault, and is easily corrected if the timer knows what s/he is doing (which often they do not). And it is much more unusual in cases like this where you actually have two separate events.

Unfortunately here we rely on volunteers which can make it much more challenging. It is simple in theory, yet somehow never plays out that way. I've seen some serious nightmares and piecing together times.
Fortunately, as I mentioned, we have a new chip timing system that alleviates this.

davemunger · July 2014

The way I read it I thought you meant it takes your first time across.

I know the new system we use here doesn't overwrite if someone were to cross twice but I was unsure how it worked with the registering in different races.
We do use a different type of chip for this timing system.

Yes, it takes your first time across. But if you are not registered for the event it doesn't matter because you are not registered; you're not going to be listed in the results. Then it resets for the next event.

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