So you want a nice stomach
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Thankyou for this post. So black and white. And so is fat loss...0
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Thankyou for this post. So black and white. And so is fat loss...
Using the ellipsis I'm not sure if you are serious or snarky. I think people over complicate the entire process. There are some people with medical conditions that have special conditions to be met, but for the majority of people they try to make it too complicated. Often when they get back to simply being accurate with tracking intake they start seeing results.0 -
Thankyou for this post. So black and white. And so is fat loss...
Using the ellipsis I'm not sure if you are serious or snarky. I think people over complicate the entire process. There are some people with medical conditions that have special conditions to be met, but for the majority of people they try to make it too complicated. Often when they get back to simply being accurate with tracking intake they start seeing results.
My observation which could be wrong is that people often confuse "simply" with "easy". Fat loss/weight loss should be a simple concept but it's not easy.1 -
That's the problem. You said:
What about it? There's nothing wrong with cardio. I suggested no more than an hour total for a week.I really really want to give you a thumbs up but your number 4 is making me cringe.
No, 1 hour of walking isn't going to do much toward calorie burn (or cardiovascular health).I like cardio once or twice a week for 30 minutes. It's good for the heart and lungs.
It doesn't add much to the calorie burn for the week
That's why the recommendation from the CDC / NIH is 2.5 hours per week (30 minutes 5 days per week).
Extended moderate-intensity exercise will help burn fat, which will eventually help in flattening the stomach.
Don't try to claim cardio "doesn't add much to the calorie burn".
Today I did 45 minutes on the elliptical. I'm working my way up from 30 min every day.
The machine said I burned 501 cal, MFP says I burned 730 cal.
501 x 6 days per week = 3006, or 6/7 of a pound (not quite 14 oz) of fat gone _just_ from exercise.
To compare to weightlifting, yesterday I did 30 min on the elliptical (487 cal) and 35 min of weightlifting (189 cal).
So the elliptical is about 2.5 x more efficient at burning calories than the weightlifting you're touting.
And exercise has other benefits than simply maintaining weight loss.
"[P]hysical activity reduces risks of cardiovascular disease and diabetes beyond that produced by weight reduction alone"
"To maintain your weight: work your way up to 150 minutes of moderate-intensity aerobic activity, 75 minutes of vigorous-intensity aerobic activity, or an equivalent mix of the two each week."
(The page explains moderate & vigorous.)
http://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/physical_activity/index.htm
It still isn't a necessity for attaining "an aesthetic midsection". All it does is create a larger calorie deficit.
I'm not quite sure what you're attempting to prove by quoting "Physical activity reduces risks of cardiovascular disease and diabetes beyond that produced by weight reduction alone". Physical activity isn't cardiovascular specific.1 -
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4. Cardio. I like cardio once or twice a week for 30 minutes. It's good for the heart and lungs. It doesn't add much to the calorie burn for the week, but it helps even things out in case you haven't been completely accurate weighing food.
Err... what? Cardio sessions do not add "much" to the calorie burn for the week? Hard to take the OP seriously after reading that0 -
4. Cardio. I like cardio once or twice a week for 30 minutes. It's good for the heart and lungs. It doesn't add much to the calorie burn for the week, but it helps even things out in case you haven't been completely accurate weighing food.
Err... what? Cardio sessions do not add "much" to the calorie burn for the week? Hard to take the OP seriously after reading that
Then let me put your mind at ease.
Context. Within the context of the original post, the statement is very valid.
However, feel free to choose a different route if you disagree. Different things work for different people for a variety of reasons. I get exactly what she's saying. My husband, also an ex-marine, is an old power lifter from the 80's.
Back in those days, they'd say 'I don't do cardio cause cardio steals my gains' :laugh:
Hint: operative word; powerlifter.
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4. Cardio. I like cardio once or twice a week for 30 minutes. It's good for the heart and lungs. It doesn't add much to the calorie burn for the week, but it helps even things out in case you haven't been completely accurate weighing food.
Err... what? Cardio sessions do not add "much" to the calorie burn for the week? Hard to take the OP seriously after reading that
Then let me put your mind at ease.
Context. Within the context of the original post, the statement is very valid.
So the statement 'Cardio does not add much to the calorie burn for the week' might be true depending on 'context'?
I guess the only thing left to do is to call the Nobel Prize committee and tell them to lock in this years Nobel Prize for Physics as the OP and your good self have found a way to violate the Laws of Thermodynamics. Congrats on your amazing discovery :-)
I look forward to your announcement of the first ever working perpetual motion machine!0 -
4. Cardio. I like cardio once or twice a week for 30 minutes. It's good for the heart and lungs. It doesn't add much to the calorie burn for the week, but it helps even things out in case you haven't been completely accurate weighing food.
Err... what? Cardio sessions do not add "much" to the calorie burn for the week? Hard to take the OP seriously after reading that
Would you like to know why I said I personally only do a limited amount of cardio?
It's because my entire life I have been told that the way to lose weight is to go run. I was never told to eat less, just go run. As I have learned it's impossible to out run a bad diet. Even more than that if you are carefully monitoring food intake (like you would on a calorie counting website such as this) then cardio is great for the heart, but absolutely unnecessary for fat loss because you can create a calorie deficit through diet alone.
This post is to show others that they don't have to go run every day to get a nice stomach or lose belly fat. The main objectors to the point about cardio and enjoying some treats are women in their 40's or 50's who have been lead to believe that cardio and clean eating is essential for fat loss.
I'm not saying that we don't burn calories doing cardio, but monitoring our intake is FAR more important.2 -
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4. Cardio. I like cardio once or twice a week for 30 minutes. It's good for the heart and lungs. It doesn't add much to the calorie burn for the week, but it helps even things out in case you haven't been completely accurate weighing food.
Err... what? Cardio sessions do not add "much" to the calorie burn for the week? Hard to take the OP seriously after reading that
Would you like to know why I said I personally only do a limited amount of cardio?
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I'm not saying that we don't burn calories doing cardio, but monitoring our intake is FAR more important.
I agree that diet and exercise are both required in order to succeed in the weight loss. Furthermore you are absolutely correct that monitoring your diet far more important.
However that is completely besides the point, which is that the OP is factually incorrect and is essentially spouting broscience "Cardio killz gainz lolz" nonsense.
I do 5 x 1hour elliptical per week and the remaining two days I go for a nice walk just to get the heart rate going a bit. That's approx. 6000 calories in just cardio per week for me. It is ludicrous to suggest that is an insignificant amount of calories.
I stand by my statement that it's hard to take the OP seriously when I know for a fact that his point 4 is just broscience wrong.
Also it is worth noting that the current accepted math is 1 pound of muscle burns 6-10 calories per day at rest. So if you gained 20 pounds of muscle you would burn an extra ~120-200 calories per day. You understand how hard it is to gain 20 pounds of muscle naturally? I just laugh out at the stupidity.
Please everyone take the OP with a grain of salt and keep doing your cardio.0 -
4. Cardio. I like cardio once or twice a week for 30 minutes. It's good for the heart and lungs. It doesn't add much to the calorie burn for the week, but it helps even things out in case you haven't been completely accurate weighing food.
Err... what? Cardio sessions do not add "much" to the calorie burn for the week? Hard to take the OP seriously after reading that
Would you like to know why I said I personally only do a limited amount of cardio?
It's because my entire life I have been told that the way to lose weight is to go run. I was never told to eat less, just go run. As I have learned it's impossible to out run a bad diet. Even more than that if you are carefully monitoring food intake (like you would on a calorie counting website such as this) then cardio is great for the heart, but absolutely unnecessary for fat loss because you can create a calorie deficit through diet alone.
This post is to show others that they don't have to go run every day to get a nice stomach or lose belly fat. The main objectors to the point about cardio and enjoying some treats are women in their 40's or 50's who have been lead to believe that cardio and clean eating is essential for fat loss.
I'm not saying that we don't burn calories doing cardio, but monitoring our intake is FAR more important.
I agree that diet and exercise are both required in order to succeed in the weight loss. Furthermore you are absolutely correct that monitoring your diet far more important.
However that is completely besides the point, which is that the OP is factually incorrect and is essentially spouting broscience "Cardio killz gainz lolz" nonsense.
I do 5 x 1hour elliptical per week and the remaining two days I go for a nice walk just to get the heart rate going a bit. That's approx. 6000 calories in just cardio per week for me. It is ludicrous to suggest that is an insignificant amount of calories.
I stand by my statement that it's hard to take the OP seriously when I know for a fact that his point 4 is just broscience wrong.
Also it is worth noting that the current accepted math is 1 pound of muscle burns 6-10 calories per day at rest. So if you gained 20 pounds of muscle you would burn an extra ~120-200 calories per day. You understand how hard it is to gain 20 pounds of muscle naturally? I just laugh out at the stupidity.
Please everyone take the OP with a grain of salt and keep doing your cardio.
I am the OP (I am also a woman, not a man as you indicated) and just because you don't agree with one point (in which I said I personally) doesn't mean that any of my post is invalid. Feel free to do more cardio. That point was about how I personally do things and had success with. I have gone from obese to competitive bodybuilder and I personally do not do more than an hour of cardio total in a week (which comes out to a total of around 500 calories since my body has become efficient at cardio).
Also, most people don't have an hour to spend doing cardio 5 days a week like you do. In general many people have 30-45 minutes 4-5 days a week to workout. If they just do cardio and no resistance training they will be losing lean body mass in the long run. I don't say that because "cardio kills gains" as you put it, but as you lose weight you lose fat mass and lean mass (generally the body is organ sparing, so we can assume that a large portion of that lean mass is muscle). The greater your calorie deficit (through diet or cardio) the more likely you are to burn lean mass. Resistance training assists in retaining lean mass.
Nowhere in my post did I claim that someone who is lifting weights will gain 20 pounds of lean mass (I have achieved 20 pound lean mass gains in the last two years naturally as a woman). Although people won't gain tons of muscle, they will spare their muscle through resistance training. Why is that important? Because when you get closer to your goal body composition matters. You aren't there yet, but when you get to your goal and maintain it for over a year I'd like to have this talk again.
Edited to paste the rest of what I wrote back into my above reply since he edited it out and I feel that it is important.2 -
What the Hell's going on here?!? Nah forget all that
usmcmp I just wanted to say Congrats on the sticky! Great post, WHAT!! 0 -
What the Hell's going on here?!? Nah forget all that
usmcmp I just wanted to say Congrats on the sticky! Great post, WHAT!!
Thank you! I wrote it back in January and was shocked to find out it was a sticky this morning!0 -
I love you, OP. You were one of the instrumental people on this website who inspired me to lift. ♡ I'm thankful there are strong people in this world like you who encourage and inspire others. You're much more than a grain of salt to me. You're a pretty big piece of what I've become after a year of finding myself.
For the nice stomachs!!! And lifting PRs... Those are fun too!
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Along with exercise you should try The PHE Slimming Belt. It gives you curves and a slimmer waist. Consistent use and being active will change the shape of your body. its great! I have the black one but they also have ones for workout.
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I raise with a Hell no.0 -
4. Cardio. I like cardio once or twice a week for 30 minutes. It's good for the heart and lungs. It doesn't add much to the calorie burn for the week, but it helps even things out in case you haven't been completely accurate weighing food.
Err... what? Cardio sessions do not add "much" to the calorie burn for the week? Hard to take the OP seriously after reading that
Would you like to know why I said I personally only do a limited amount of cardio?
It's because my entire life I have been told that the way to lose weight is to go run. I was never told to eat less, just go run. As I have learned it's impossible to out run a bad diet. Even more than that if you are carefully monitoring food intake (like you would on a calorie counting website such as this) then cardio is great for the heart, but absolutely unnecessary for fat loss because you can create a calorie deficit through diet alone.
This post is to show others that they don't have to go run every day to get a nice stomach or lose belly fat. The main objectors to the point about cardio and enjoying some treats are women in their 40's or 50's who have been lead to believe that cardio and clean eating is essential for fat loss.
I'm not saying that we don't burn calories doing cardio, but monitoring our intake is FAR more important.
I agree that diet and exercise are both required in order to succeed in the weight loss. Furthermore you are absolutely correct that monitoring your diet far more important.
However that is completely besides the point, which is that the OP is factually incorrect and is essentially spouting broscience "Cardio killz gainz lolz" nonsense.
I do 5 x 1hour elliptical per week and the remaining two days I go for a nice walk just to get the heart rate going a bit. That's approx. 6000 calories in just cardio per week for me. It is ludicrous to suggest that is an insignificant amount of calories.
I stand by my statement that it's hard to take the OP seriously when I know for a fact that his point 4 is just broscience wrong.
Also it is worth noting that the current accepted math is 1 pound of muscle burns 6-10 calories per day at rest. So if you gained 20 pounds of muscle you would burn an extra ~120-200 calories per day. You understand how hard it is to gain 20 pounds of muscle naturally? I just laugh out at the stupidity.
Please everyone take the OP with a grain of salt and keep doing your cardio.
I am the OP (I am also a woman, not a man as you indicated) and just because you don't agree with one point (in which I said I personally) doesn't mean that any of my post is invalid. Feel free to do more cardio. That point was about how I personally do things and had success with. I have gone from obese to competitive bodybuilder and I personally do not do more than an hour of cardio total in a week (which comes out to a total of around 500 calories since my body has become efficient at cardio).
Also, most people don't have an hour to spend doing cardio 5 days a week like you do. In general many people have 30-45 minutes 4-5 days a week to workout. If they just do cardio and no resistance training they will be losing lean body mass in the long run. I don't say that because "cardio kills gains" as you put it, but as you lose weight you lose fat mass and lean mass (generally the body is organ sparing, so we can assume that a large portion of that lean mass is muscle). The greater your calorie deficit (through diet or cardio) the more likely you are to burn lean mass. Resistance training assists in retaining lean mass.
Nowhere in my post did I claim that someone who is lifting weights will gain 20 pounds of lean mass (I have achieved 20 pound lean mass gains in the last two years naturally as a woman). Although people won't gain tons of muscle, they will spare their muscle through resistance training. Why is that important? Because when you get closer to your goal body composition matters. You aren't there yet, but when you get to your goal and maintain it for over a year I'd like to have this talk again.
Edited to paste the rest of what I wrote back into my above reply since he edited it out and I feel that it is important.
(sorry I didn't realise you were the OP)
Now you are backtracking and trying to qualify your blanket point 4 with many if-then-butts. Now you are bringing up things like
1) Me personally
2) Time poor
3) Greater calorie deficit = more lean mass loss (what??)
4) Body gets efficient
None or some or all may apply to random Joe. Your blanket statement to avoid or minimize cardio is absurd. Most people who could loose weight could also stand to get fitter. If walking from the car park to the mall gets you out of breath - Do cardio as much as possible. Get your heart rate up.
You are misleading people. I followed your advice I would be lose about 5000 calories burnt each week (if I restricted myself to 1 hours of cardio a week). That's about a pound and a half or almost a kilogram of weight loss less per week. No thank you.1 -
She is not backtracking in the slightest. She does other activities, like weightlifting that not only burn calories but also add muscle which burns more calories at rest.
You need to get over yourself if you think your way is the only way to do something.
Assuming that if you followed her plan you would lose (not loose) 4500 calories is only valid if she did nothing else but the one hour of cardio1
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