NHS very low calorie diet help

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  • maria0104
    maria0104 Posts: 64 Member
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    If you really are struggling I would dump the dietician and the NHS doc and go to another one. Practices have people who specialise in certain areas- change your practice and try a new doc and dietician? I live on the border to a city and changed NHS trust to the city, not rural, NHS trust recently and it has been profoundly better.

    However if it is bothering you so I would suggest a private opinion. I respect doctors highly but from personal experience private working doctors are much better than just NHS working doctors and actually help get to the bottom of the issue. I was fobbed off by the brilliant NHS doctors one too many times and ended up nearly dying last year before a private doctors better skills, knowledge and sympathy saved my life. I hope you have had full blood work to bar out PCOS etc done by your doctor?

    Best of luck
  • 3laine75
    3laine75 Posts: 3,070 Member
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    Find a new dietician.
    With 65lbs to lose, there is no reason to eat that little.

    THis^^ x1000

    Responses like this always amaze me. Did you read the thread? If the OP swears she's not losing at 1200 calories per day over a sufficiently lengthy period of time such that fat loss could not be masked by water retention, why would eating more ever produce better results in terms of weight loss? That's just illogical. What's more likely is that due to inaccuracy in logging, the OP's 1200 calories is not truly 1200 calories. Just because I log 1200 calories doesn't mean that I didn't eat 1600 or 1800 calories, and telling me to start eating more just exacerbates this problem (e.g., I log 1600 and eat 2200). What's also a very real possibility is that all of these diets the OP has tried haven't lasted long enough for the OP to see results. Yoyo'ing between various diets with breaks of uncontrolled eating in between and not sticking with any of them long enough to see results is a great recipe for getting bigger over time. But if that's the case, eating more during the diet phase of the yoyo will just make things worse. And there's always the possibility that the OP is 100% accurate and is dealing with an undiagnosed medical issue or a side-effect of a drug she's taking, but if that's the case, telling her to eat more is again just going to exacerbate the problem. In short, there's almost never a situation where eating more will break a long-term plateau or will stop long-term weight gain as we're seeing here.

    This is a bit of a rant on my part at this point, but weight loss goes beyond just plugging numbers into a calculator and getting a calorie target. That simply gives you a rough estimate for your starting point and going forward you should be adjusting your targets around the results you're seeing. If you're not losing at the rate you should be over a lengthy period of time, drop the calories ~10%. If you're losing too fast over a lengthy period of time, up the calories. But it needs to be based on results, not just ballpark estimates based on someone's stats.

    Just my $0.02, but the OP's doctor is probably putting her on "meal replacement" products because it's a controlled environment. I can log 1200 calories but that doesn't mean I actually ate 1200 calories, and if I'm not weighing my foods and/or preparing my own foods, it can be difficult to get a very accurate estimate. On the other hand, "meal replacement" products are fairly well controlled. A shake is always going to be around X calories, a prepackaged meal will always be around Y calories, and so on. I suspect they're recommending that sort of diet plan to see whether the OP truly can't lose at 1000 calories or if perhaps the reason for the lack of loss was inaccurate tracking. But in any event, I just can't understand all the posts saying "your doctor is a quack, eat more!"


    Couldn't agree more. People haven't read the thread or diary - OP has an answer for everything and not many sound plausible.

    This may sound harsh. But it 100% (still) sounds like you aren't logging accurately and consistently. And as above poster has said, probably jumped from diet to diet with periods of overeating in between. I hadn't heard of NHS dieticians recommending slimfast but it could be for the reasons above I suppose.

    OP try giving this diet your best effort for more than a few weeks and if you are tempted to binge (I'd find it very hard to believe that you didn't occasionally especially if you have been depressed about your appearance and you are using such restrictive diets) then log every single thing - at least then you can look back and say, 'okay I had 3 days were I blew my calories by 1000, that explains that 1lb gain' - surely that would be better than logging 600-800 calories and saying you don't understand why you have 65 or 80 lb (depending on which was accurate) to lose and it's not happening.

    If you did that, I think you would get a better take on how this works and could then probably deal with a more sensible deficit. I hope you get a handle on it and it works for you this time.
  • davidbernstein148
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    Thanks for the info adding it to the suggestions log i'm creating ^_^ , it's causing problems in my day to day, I don't like how I look, I can't find clothes that fit, It's giving me back problems as well.

    Those are all perfectly valid reasons to want to lose weight too, just so long as you're doing it for you and not to make a doctor happy about some magic number that may or may not actually matter for you in the grand scheme of things.
  • DebbieLyn63
    DebbieLyn63 Posts: 2,650 Member
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    Did your dr specifically recommend Slimfast? Or just suggest any meal replacement? Slimfast is very high in sugar and low in protein. I would ask if you could use a protein shake that has higher protein and less sugar.

    I have heard of people having good results with Medifast as well, altho they generally gain it back after they go back to real food. But at least you could see if you could lose weight with a strictly regimented calorie plan, which is what it sounds like your doctor is trying to find out.

    You say you tried Atkins and it didn't work. Did you count calories as well as carbs? Most people who fail on Atkins are simply eating too many calories. If you eat low carb on a strict 1200 cals, you SHOULD lose weight. But you still have to be very accurate in your measuring/weighing and logging. Most people who cant seem to lose weight, even on lower calorie diets, are insulin resistant and need to go lower carb as well as lower calorie.
  • missomgitsica
    missomgitsica Posts: 496 Member
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    Find a new dietician.
    With 65lbs to lose, there is no reason to eat that little.

    Agree.
  • asciident
    asciident Posts: 166 Member
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    Regardless of whether your doctor is giving you sound advice or not, I've checked your diary and I think you're eating more calories than you think you are.

    Accurate logging means weighing your solid foods. From your lunch today:
    Broccoli - Raw, 0.25 bunch
    Napolina - Chopped Tomatoes - Canned, 25 g (did you weigh this?)
    Aldi Quixo - Vegetable Stock Cube, 0.25 cube
    Medium - Yellow Onion, 0.25 medium
    Slim-Fast - Summer Strawberry Milshake Powder, 2 scoops (heaping or level?)

    From last Sunday:
    Homemade - Ratatouille, 1 cup (did you make this recipe in the recipe maker?)

    Your diary shows a lot of estimation, which works only if you're very good at estimating as evidenced by weight loss. That's not the case here, so I think you need to start using a food scale religiously.
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
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    I've been given a diet by my dietitian for twelve weeks, I was hoping people could help me find ways to makes this diet less of a strain, e.g. vegetable recipes i.e. soups/stews/roasted etc.

    -Can add spices/herbs/stock
    -1000 Calories max per day.
    - 2 Fruit portions 50 calories max each
    -Skimmed milk allowance = 1/2 pint
    -2 Portions of veg [no potatoes] = 75 calories max
    -No other foods allowed.


    The diet:
    Breakfast: 1 meal replacement + Tea/coffee with skimmed milk allowance

    Mid-Morning: Tea/Coffee or low calorie drink

    Lunch: Serving of salad/vegetables + 1 portion of fruit.

    Mid-Afternoon: 1 meal replacement

    Evening Meal: Serving of vegetables/ Salad

    Bed-Time: 1 meal replacement.

    Is this from a State Registered Dietitian? Or a Nutritionist? Either way...get a 2nd opinion from a or another state registered dietitian. Wow. That's crazy.
  • stuart160
    stuart160 Posts: 1,628 Member
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    I run a Health and Wellness Center and if any of my dietitians gave out a diet like that they wouldn't be working for me much longer. Find a new dietitian and make sure they are actually an RD and not someone who took some courses and is passing themselves off as one.
  • MonaLisaLianne
    MonaLisaLianne Posts: 377 Member
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    Find a new dietician.
    With 65lbs to lose, there is no reason to eat that little.

    THis^^ x1000

    Responses like this always amaze me. Did you read the thread? If the OP swears she's not losing at 1200 calories per day over a sufficiently lengthy period of time such that fat loss could not be masked by water retention, why would eating more ever produce better results in terms of weight loss? That's just illogical. What's more likely is that due to inaccuracy in logging, the OP's 1200 calories is not truly 1200 calories. Just because I log 1200 calories doesn't mean that I didn't eat 1600 or 1800 calories, and telling me to start eating more just exacerbates this problem (e.g., I log 1600 and eat 2200). What's also a very real possibility is that all of these diets the OP has tried haven't lasted long enough for the OP to see results. Yoyo'ing between various diets with breaks of uncontrolled eating in between and not sticking with any of them long enough to see results is a great recipe for getting bigger over time. But if that's the case, eating more during the diet phase of the yoyo will just make things worse. And there's always the possibility that the OP is 100% accurate and is dealing with an undiagnosed medical issue or a side-effect of a drug she's taking, but if that's the case, telling her to eat more is again just going to exacerbate the problem. In short, there's almost never a situation where eating more will break a long-term plateau or will stop long-term weight gain as we're seeing here.

    This is a bit of a rant on my part at this point, but weight loss goes beyond just plugging numbers into a calculator and getting a calorie target. That simply gives you a rough estimate for your starting point and going forward you should be adjusting your targets around the results you're seeing. If you're not losing at the rate you should be over a lengthy period of time, drop the calories ~10%. If you're losing too fast over a lengthy period of time, up the calories. But it needs to be based on results, not just ballpark estimates based on someone's stats.

    Just my $0.02, but the OP's doctor is probably putting her on "meal replacement" products because it's a controlled environment. I can log 1200 calories but that doesn't mean I actually ate 1200 calories, and if I'm not weighing my foods and/or preparing my own foods, it can be difficult to get a very accurate estimate. On the other hand, "meal replacement" products are fairly well controlled. A shake is always going to be around X calories, a prepackaged meal will always be around Y calories, and so on. I suspect they're recommending that sort of diet plan to see whether the OP truly can't lose at 1000 calories or if perhaps the reason for the lack of loss was inaccurate tracking. But in any event, I just can't understand all the posts saying "your doctor is a quack, eat more!"

    This has to be the most logical, well-reasoned post in this thread so far. Thank you for not being a dogmatic jerk!
  • MKEgal
    MKEgal Posts: 3,250 Member
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    Read this post, as many times as it takes to sink in:
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1080242-a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants
    If fewer calories are taken in than are burned, the person will lose weight.
    Weigh &/or measure everything.
    5 foot 2 inches
    weight: 109kg
    Activity: 30 minutes a day total aerobic and strength exercises, moderate activity rest of day.
    OK, so you're 240 lb and a healthy weight range is 105-130. (48-59 kg) http://www.shapeup.org/bmi/bmi6.pdf
    To maintain your current weight, you'd need to eat 2400 cal per day. (TOTAL, not net. Ignore net.)
    To lose 2 lb per week, drop 1000 cal per day, so 1400 cal.
    You might even lose more than that, because you have so much weight to lose.

    Exercise is a bonus, but to _maintain_ a certain weight, do at least 150 minutes of moderate activity per week, which it sounds like you're doing. To lose weight, you might need to do twice that.
    "Most weight loss occurs because of decreased caloric intake. However, evidence shows the only way to maintain weight loss is to be engaged in regular physical activity."
    http://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/physical_activity/index.html


    Meal replacements are a bad idea, because you're not learning how to eat healthfully and as soon as you run out of money to buy their crap you'll be eating real food & not know how to handle it. Also, as others have already pointed out, many have high sugar. If you're going to try this crazy plan, find some whey protein that's high in protein and low (or no) sugar.

    your problem is probably Prozac. Anti-depressants are notorious for weight gain. The longer you stay on them, the more weight you put on. It can be very difficult to lose weight while on anti-depressants.
    If fewer calories are taken in than are burned, the person will lose weight.
    I've been pretty successful at losing weight despite being on drugs for a brain chemical imbalance.
    So has my ex-BF and usual workout partner.
    Depression lowers motivation, so the person is more likely not to exercise.
    Depression lowers self-esteem, so the person is more likely to overeat to self-medicate.
  • CloudyMao
    CloudyMao Posts: 258 Member
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    Has your doctor considered / tested you for metabolic syndrome? I've read that can stop people from losing weight even when they are exercising and eating right.

    Depends is that the same as hypothyroidism?

    ETA: You don't 'test' for metabolic syndrome - you fit into a criteria, it is usually used to describe a person's hightened risk of complications like CVD. Mostly it's a combination of diabetes, high blood pressure, and obesity. So rather than an actual thing in itself it's a term to describe a cluster of conditions in one individual. - Metabolic syndrome is not a "thing" that would effect your weight, as it's not an individual condition, however along the same lines - insulin resistance /// pre-diabetes is something that can make it very difficult for someone to lose weight, it's very hard to diagnose as it basically has little/un-noticable symptoms if any are present at all.

    Insulin resistance and pre-diabetes are not hard to diagnose.

    You can be diagnosed through a simple blood test or mixed meals test.

    It is more that it's not often caught before it's already developed into type 2 diabetes, because of the little-no symptoms thing, which I already explained.
  • kurtistime
    kurtistime Posts: 22 Member
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    Seems quite dangerous. Hope you are no longer doing this
  • gothomson
    gothomson Posts: 215 Member
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    I have to say that sounds like a really unhealthy weight loss regime. Plus you'd have to have the will power of a saint to stick to it. You really dont need to eat that little to lose the amount you want to lose.
  • parrrp
    parrrp Posts: 14 Member
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    Hey, didn't read the whole thread so sorry if this has already been said...

    There's a history of thyroid probs in my family, my blood tests all always came back normal and I was in a similar situation to you, eating well, exercising and my body would NOT drop weight. People didn't believe me and I was told it was just a case of calories in vs calories out, I was eating too much. I do loads of sport and ate better than I do now, until my thyroid stuff was sorted the weight would not shift.

    So I did some reading. the NHS has a HUGE 'normal' range for TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone), which rises to ask your body to produce thyroxine. If your TSH is between 1 and 5 you are normal, by having a range that size they admit that everyone is different. I happen to feel 'right' at 1, so my TSH was 4.5 and I couldn't get treated, whereas if I'd been 'right' at 5 then my TSH would have been 8.5 and I would have been treated straight away. Grr.

    Anyway, long story short, I argued until I was blue in the face, eventually my GP agreed to put me on a trial of thyroxine on the condition that I would drop the subject when I found that it didn't help. His face when I was a billion times better on it was amusing, but he never admitted he was wrong (although he did continue prescribing).

    Not saying your problem is thyroid, but it can be a sneaky one, you can look up symptoms online, depression and anxiety is one of them - ask your surgery for the actual results and the range and pop them over to me if you like and I can tell you what it looks like to me, also see if you can get tested for free t3 and free t4 - your thyroid produces t4 (thyroxine) which it converts to t3 which your body can use. In my case my t4 levels were a bit low but the main problem was that I wasn't converting properly so my t3 was on the floor...
  • Meikakiri
    Meikakiri Posts: 44
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    Couldn't agree more. People haven't read the thread or diary - OP has an answer for everything and not many sound plausible.

    This may sound harsh. But it 100% (still) sounds like you aren't logging accurately and consistently. And as above poster has said, probably jumped from diet to diet with periods of overeating in between. I hadn't heard of NHS dieticians recommending slimfast but it could be for the reasons above I suppose.

    OP try giving this diet your best effort for more than a few weeks and if you are tempted to binge (I'd find it very hard to believe that you didn't occasionally especially if you have been depressed about your appearance and you are using such restrictive diets) then log every single thing - at least then you can look back and say, 'okay I had 3 days were I blew my calories by 1000, that explains that 1lb gain' - surely that would be better than logging 600-800 calories and saying you don't understand why you have 65 or 80 lb (depending on which was accurate) to lose and it's not happening.

    If you did that, I think you would get a better take on how this works and could then probably deal with a more sensible deficit. I hope you get a handle on it and it works for you this time.

    The log is accurate and I find it really disrespectful to assume that I'm cheating on this diet, my original question has nothing to do with my previous weight loss attempts, I am asking for nothing more than recipes that fit within my diet. You should not make assumptions that because I have depression which is exasperated by my weight that I over eat, depression is mental health issue and it doesn't always produce behaviours that link to the problem.
  • parrrp
    parrrp Posts: 14 Member
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    I found this lentil soup recipe in The Guardian a while ago, it's super filling and low calorie:
    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/oct/27/readers-favourite-photographs-songs-recipes
    too many lentils can be Interesting if you're not used to them, be warned ;)
  • Meikakiri
    Meikakiri Posts: 44
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    Is the 1000 a day net calories, or total calories consumed?
    So are you allowed to eat back the calories burned? Cause if not, then my first tought about this is that you are eating too low! And that's the reason you gain weight. I actually have had something similair in the past, eating at a 700 a day for 10 weeks and i gained 5 kg.
    This was before MFP but i did weight everything i ate.

    Last year i actually started to do it better by eating 1600 calories a day and eat back my exercises.
    Lost about 5 kg in the first month

    It's total you're expected to eat 1000 and then burn some off.
  • flimflamfloz
    flimflamfloz Posts: 1,980 Member
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    You can see the rating of your GP surgery by other people here - the people you are seeing do not seem very competent:
    http://www.nhs.uk/service-search

    I also doubt that reducing your daily intake by an additional 200 cals will suddenly solve all your problems, especially as you are supposed to reduce your intake the more you lose weight - you will probably end up on (minus) -100 calories (which is physically impossible).
  • janatarnhem
    janatarnhem Posts: 669 Member
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    that's a dumb *kitten* dietitian...

    this!
  • Meikakiri
    Meikakiri Posts: 44
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    Hey, didn't read the whole thread so sorry if this has already been said...

    There's a history of thyroid probs in my family, my blood tests all always came back normal and I was in a similar situation to you, eating well, exercising and my body would NOT drop weight. People didn't believe me and I was told it was just a case of calories in vs calories out, I was eating too much. I do loads of sport and ate better than I do now, until my thyroid stuff was sorted the weight would not shift.

    So I did some reading. the NHS has a HUGE 'normal' range for TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone), which rises to ask your body to produce thyroxine. If your TSH is between 1 and 5 you are normal, by having a range that size they admit that everyone is different. I happen to feel 'right' at 1, so my TSH was 4.5 and I couldn't get treated, whereas if I'd been 'right' at 5 then my TSH would have been 8.5 and I would have been treated straight away. Grr.

    Anyway, long story short, I argued until I was blue in the face, eventually my GP agreed to put me on a trial of thyroxine on the condition that I would drop the subject when I found that it didn't help. His face when I was a billion times better on it was amusing, but he never admitted he was wrong (although he did continue prescribing).

    Not saying your problem is thyroid, but it can be a sneaky one, you can look up symptoms online, depression and anxiety is one of them - ask your surgery for the actual results and the range and pop them over to me if you like and I can tell you what it looks like to me, also see if you can get tested for free t3 and free t4 - your thyroid produces t4 (thyroxine) which it converts to t3 which your body can use. In my case my t4 levels were a bit low but the main problem was that I wasn't converting properly so my t3 was on the floor...

    Thank you for this advice I'll ask if they will do the test again and if I can have the results, we have a long history of thyroid issues in the women in our family which I don't think has missed any of them, my mother included having to get regular treatment for hers, except apparently me according to the blood tests.