super confused! Please help/second opinion needed
siddhartha0782
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Ok.
I'm female, 5 feet 10. 231lb. Goal end weight range 145-160lb. Today my fitness trainer did my measurements for the first time and it turned out my Lean Body mass is already 156lb, and so he suggests that i should shoot for 190lb instead, which is honestly depressing and demotivating. Would it be damn near impossible for me to reach 160lb and still be healthy/decent-looking? My PT saysit's pretty unlikely, citing ungodly amounts of cardio I'd have to do.
I'm female, 5 feet 10. 231lb. Goal end weight range 145-160lb. Today my fitness trainer did my measurements for the first time and it turned out my Lean Body mass is already 156lb, and so he suggests that i should shoot for 190lb instead, which is honestly depressing and demotivating. Would it be damn near impossible for me to reach 160lb and still be healthy/decent-looking? My PT saysit's pretty unlikely, citing ungodly amounts of cardio I'd have to do.
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Shoot for 190 to start and then see how you feel. Best of luck to you. Don't give up!0
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Thanks for the comment
I'm not planning on giving up either way, I've been to the gym everyday this summer, constanly eating under the deficit, lost 24lb since April. Put on crap load of muscle. Also, i once lost weight via starvation diet, got as low as 167lb and still had some chub.
So i just don't get the #s.
190lb is just a depressing final weight. I want my hubby to be able to pick me up, etc. I wanna be a girl that's light on my feet. Is being skinny fat and losing muscle mass the only path to a lower number?0 -
Take a look at yourself when you get to 190. I think you are going to look great. Based on your height, I don't know if you need to go too much lower.0
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Ok.
I'm female, 5 feet 10. 231lb. Goal end weight range 145-160lb. Today my fitness trainer did my measurements for the first time and it turned out my Lean Body mass is already 156lb, and so he suggests that i should shoot for 190lb instead, which is honestly depressing and demotivating. Would it be damn near impossible for me to reach 160lb and still be healthy/decent-looking? My PT saysit's pretty unlikely, citing ungodly amounts of cardio I'd have to do.
Find a new fitness trainer. 160lbs is possible and you shouldn't be doing ungodly amounts of cardio. I'd more suggest a balance between cardio and strength training, although of course it depends on your goals. But either way..find a new trainer.0 -
Listen to your trainer.0
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I'm female, 5 feet 10. 231lb. Goal end weight range 145-160lb. Today my fitness trainer did my measurements for the first time and it turned out my Lean Body mass is already 156lb, and so he suggests that i should shoot for 190lb instead, which is honestly depressing and demotivating.
He's doing it wrong. Very very wrong. That's more LBM than a 6'1 185 pound man at 15% body fat.
Fire him and get somebody competent and with a bit of common sense.0 -
I had a trainer act like my goal weight was crazy, even though I'd weighed significantly less in the past. it was a little weird, and I have a new coach now.
However, take my comment with a grain of salt: I'm an ultra-runner, so I do an insane amount of cardio. :P0 -
190 does sound high but let that be your initial goal. Once you get to that weight you can make new goals if needed. Don't stress yourself out over this. Just keep moving forward. God Bless!!! :flowerforyou:0
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190 with 156 LMM is actually going to look very thin and well defined. A month ago I found I had 213 LMM with a total weight of 290 and my goal was 220 with 7%. He said unless I lost LMM I could not reach that so to aim for 235-240 and I would still look how I want.
You can still reach your goal but it would require you cutting back on the weight training. Do this though once you reach that 190, see how you look then if not happy cut down the weights and increase the cardio. It is better to have that LMM while cutting weight because it aids in burning calories(more muscle = more calories used up doing minimal work).
My question is did the trainer have a clear understanding of your goals(both weight and bf%)? Personally, it shouldnt be about the number you see on the scale but how you look and that you LIKE how you look. If when you hit 190 and you say damn i look good, then why put yourself thru hell? If you dont think you look good, think about if being 160 will make you happy or is it a body image thing? Many people lose weight get down to relatively skinny weight and still see the old person in the mirror. Just something to think about. Whatever you do it should be about becoming healthy and happy about the results.0 -
190 with 156 LMM is actually going to look very thin and well defined. A month ago I found I had 213 LMM with a total weight of 290 and my goal was 220 with 7%. He said unless I lost LMM I could not reach that so to aim for 235-240 and I would still look how I want.
You can still reach your goal but it would require you cutting back on the weight training. Do this though once you reach that 190, see how you look then if not happy cut down the weights and increase the cardio. It is better to have that LMM while cutting weight because it aids in burning calories(more muscle = more calories used up doing minimal work).
My question is did the trainer have a clear understanding of your goals(both weight and bf%)? Personally, it shouldnt be about the number you see on the scale but how you look and that you LIKE how you look. If when you hit 190 and you say damn i look good, then why put yourself thru hell? If you dont think you look good, think about if being 160 will make you happy or is it a body image thing? Many people lose weight get down to relatively skinny weight and still see the old person in the mirror. Just something to think about. Whatever you do it should be about becoming healthy and happy about the results.
I disagree with this. I would up the strength training in order to minimize muscle mass loss. I do agree with another poster that said not to focus on the scale # because she could be 170 and look smaller. Either way, 160 is an attainable goal depending on her preferences and what her aesthetic goal is...again, though, let go of the scale # and focus on either body fat % or just the clothes/look you want.0 -
You might want to give this website a try:
http://whatwillilooklike.com/#1rulb0
You're tall. 5'10". At 190 lbs.... you're gonna look good.0 -
You're tall. 5'10". At 190 lbs.... you're gonna look good.
She's going to look 30 pounds overweight.0 -
I'm female, 5 feet 10. 231lb. Goal end weight range 145-160lb. Today my fitness trainer did my measurements for the first time and it turned out my Lean Body mass is already 156lb, and so he suggests that i should shoot for 190lb instead, which is honestly depressing and demotivating.
He's doing it wrong. Very very wrong. That's more LBM than a 6'1 185 pound man at 15% body fat.
Fire him and get somebody competent and with a bit of common sense.
Yeah....unless shes a former IFBB pro I'd be skeptical about those numbers, lol.0 -
Guys/gals! Thank you so much for your opinions/support. This is a big deal to me.
Some contradictory info in the comments. Still not certain if I should up the cardio or strength for a smaller bod. I do water classes 6d/week, full circuit 3 times a week (17 machines) and cardio machines 2-3 times/week 30 min each.
The big thing about this is I remember being 167lb in 2009 and still being super fat (
starvation diet, no muscle). Then when the weight crept up to 190lb i remember feeling like an utter blob. I can't possibly be happy at 190lb.0 -
Thanks for the comment
I'm not planning on giving up either way, I've been to the gym everyday this summer, constanly eating under the deficit, lost 24lb since April. Put on crap load of muscle. Also, i once lost weight via starvation diet, got as low as 167lb and still had some chub.
So i just don't get the #s.
190lb is just a depressing final weight. I want my hubby to be able to pick me up, etc. I wanna be a girl that's light on my feet. Is being skinny fat and losing muscle mass the only path to a lower number?
Im sure first and foremost your husband wants you to be healthy. Your trainers no. is probably off, but either way, maintaining lean body mass is in your best interest. People who don't maintain lbm are more likely to put the original weight back on and more. Eat sensibly and get a consistent exercise routine (yes, you should strength train), and you'll move towards your goals.0 -
Please explain to Me, the noob, whatcha mean?0
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What i am saying is can you explain to me your skepticism about my numbers? Do you have a reliable formula i can u recrunchthe #s on my own for better accuracy.I'm female, 5 feet 10. 231lb. Goal end weight range 145-160lb. Today my fitness trainer did my measurements for the first time and it turned out my Lean Body mass is already 156lb, and so he suggests that i should shoot for 190lb instead, which is honestly depressing and demotivating.
He's doing it wrong. Very very wrong. That's more LBM than a 6'1 185 pound man at 15% body fat.
Fire him and get somebody competent and with a bit of common sense.
Yeah....unless shes a former IFBB pro I'd be skeptical about those numbers, lol.0 -
What i am saying is can you explain to me your skepticism about my numbers? Do you have a reliable formula i can u recrunchthe #s on my own for better accuracy.I'm female, 5 feet 10. 231lb. Goal end weight range 145-160lb. Today my fitness trainer did my measurements for the first time and it turned out my Lean Body mass is already 156lb, and so he suggests that i should shoot for 190lb instead, which is honestly depressing and demotivating.
He's doing it wrong. Very very wrong. That's more LBM than a 6'1 185 pound man at 15% body fat.
Fire him and get somebody competent and with a bit of common sense.
Yeah....unless shes a former IFBB pro I'd be skeptical about those numbers, lol.
Basically they are saying that unless you are a professional body builder, your trainer is bad at math.
We don't have enough information to estimate your LBM. If you want an estimate, you can post pics in this thread:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/826435-bodyfat-estimation-thread0 -
Did this trainer tell you that you must do insane amounts of cardio? as far as your weight goes, why not just keep going and see how you look/feel when you get to 190, then you can re evaluate then. ( I'm 5"8 tall, weigh 135 lbs and only have @109 lbs of lean body mass)0
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Thank you. This is a huge relief.
Definitely not a body builder. Mounds of jiggly fat
Now I can go to sleep in peace.0 -
There's almost no way your LBM is 160 lbs.
I'm not the bulkiest guy in the world by any means, but I'm currently 5'10" with an LBM of 158 lbs. I would sincerely doubt that you're carrying more muscle weight than I am.
I would say that your trainer has no clue what he's talking about, and you should find someone else to measure it for you. You can even spend about $35 to get a basic scale which will estimate your body fat and lean body mass for you. It's clearly going to do a better job than your trainer did.
Your goal is obviously to lose weight. That's going to mean:
1) Maintaining a calorie deficit with your diet. I would recommend using the MFP goals with "1 lb/week" as an initial setting.
2) Mostly cardio workouts. Your priority has to be burning calories at this point.
3) Some resistance training. You'll want to avoid losing muscle mass in the process - which a combination of low protein, overly rapid weight loss, and lack of resistance training can cause.
As you get closer to your goal weight, you'll switch from majority cardio to majority resistance training. But that time isn't today
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What i am saying is can you explain to me your skepticism about my numbers? Do you have a reliable formula i can u recrunchthe #s on my own for better accuracy.I'm female, 5 feet 10. 231lb. Goal end weight range 145-160lb. Today my fitness trainer did my measurements for the first time and it turned out my Lean Body mass is already 156lb, and so he suggests that i should shoot for 190lb instead, which is honestly depressing and demotivating.
He's doing it wrong. Very very wrong. That's more LBM than a 6'1 185 pound man at 15% body fat.
Fire him and get somebody competent and with a bit of common sense.
Yeah....unless shes a former IFBB pro I'd be skeptical about those numbers, lol.
I gave an example of what 160-ish pounds of LBM generally looks like - 6'1" male, 185 pounds, 15% body fat. That ain't you.
Your original goal of 160 is extremely reasonable - my suggestion is to stay on that track. Count your calories, do your cardio, get some resistance training into the mix.
You can totally rock this! :drinker:0 -
Thanks to everyone who contributed to this discussion, helping me sort it out. I will have to learn to love cardio, gotcha, but stick with the weights too.
Once i get to 190lb, i'll post a pic of me here to see if people think i'm still overweight-looking.0 -
Quick update: got caliper measurements #s from the trainer: bicep 6, tricep 14, subscapula 24, iliac 25. Recrunched the #s. Looks like his 156 LBM number was correct after all.
A question arises: is it possible to drop significant lean body mass without losing too much strength? Can it be done in a healthy way?0 -
How do you know that? I'm taller and weigh less and I look fluffy.You might want to give this website a try:
http://whatwillilooklike.com/#1rulb0
You're tall. 5'10". At 190 lbs.... you're gonna look good.0 -
I would ditch the trainer...losing some muscle mass and strength for a more svelte appearance seems to be a reasonable trade-off... but what do I know... I run ultras and do insane amounts of cardio0
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How do you know that? I'm taller and weigh less and I look fluffy.
Lol.... you don't look fluffy to me....0 -
I'm female, 5 feet 10. 231lb. Goal end weight range 145-160lb. Today my fitness trainer did my measurements for the first time and it turned out my Lean Body mass is already 156lb, and so he suggests that i should shoot for 190lb instead, which is honestly depressing and demotivating.
He's doing it wrong. Very very wrong. That's more LBM than a 6'1 185 pound man at 15% body fat.
Fire him and get somebody competent and with a bit of common sense.
This. It's likely a totally bogus number. One of my pet peeves is fitness people and "trainers" just reading off numbers w/out actually looking at the person standing in front of them to see if they make sense, or who have such a shallow knowledge base that they don't even realize when a number is well outside the range of reality.0 -
What i am saying is can you explain to me your skepticism about my numbers? Do you have a reliable formula i can u recrunchthe #s on my own for better accuracy.I'm female, 5 feet 10. 231lb. Goal end weight range 145-160lb. Today my fitness trainer did my measurements for the first time and it turned out my Lean Body mass is already 156lb, and so he suggests that i should shoot for 190lb instead, which is honestly depressing and demotivating.
He's doing it wrong. Very very wrong. That's more LBM than a 6'1 185 pound man at 15% body fat.
Fire him and get somebody competent and with a bit of common sense.
Yeah....unless shes a former IFBB pro I'd be skeptical about those numbers, lol.
There is no formula. I know it's BS because I've done over 10,000 body fat measurements over the past 30 years.
Lean body mass is not measured directly unless you have very sophisticated equipment. What is being measured/estimated is body fat %. Scale weight is multiplied by BF % to calculate fat lbs. Then fat lbs are subtracted from scale weight to estimate LBM. So if have body fat measurement gets screwed up (which it did in your case), it throws off the other numbers as well. Any fitness professional with a modicum of training and ounce of common sense would have known instantly that something was way off and remeasured or asked addl ??? --like how did you look/feel when you weighed 190 or 167 before? Someone 5'10" tall is going to have a LBM in the 105-112 range for an average frame with average muscle. The only woman I ever saw even close to a LBM in the 140s was a 6'2" Div I volleyball player with legs like tree trunks.0 -
Quick update: got caliper measurements #s from the trainer: bicep 6, tricep 14, subscapula 24, iliac 25. Recrunched the #s. Looks like his 156 LBM number was correct after all.
A question arises: is it possible to drop significant lean body mass without losing too much strength? Can it be done in a healthy way?
No - he wasn't correct. Seriously.
Just because those are the calliper number's he got doesn't mean he took them correctly. 156lbs is an insane amount of LBM for a woman with no history of serious weight training. Did you use to be a body builder?
Listen to the people on here - do a full body strength training routine to keep what muscle you actually do have, do some cardio, have a moderate deficit and decent protein. Re-assess when you get to 190lbs
DO NOT try to lose LBM now - you do NOT know that you have 156lbs of it and if you don't losing some could mean even at 160lbs you look fluffy.
Wait until you get closer to your goal weight before doing something so drastic. Odds are you'll lose a little LBM anyway - don't help, you want to keep as much as possible. :flowerforyou:0
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