Advice for Ectomorph Gains
mattyice1989
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I'm 6'6" and generally fluctuate between 219-222 lbs., lifting 4-5 times/wk averaging about 45 min. in duration each. Almost always a very short jog pre-workout to 'get the blood pumping'. Eating a fair amount but could likely force myself to have more: 3 solid meals and two smaller 'snacks' peppered in on a daily basis. Short-term goal is to maintain 220 but would like to reach a healthy 225 in the near future.
Would love any advice on how to maintain and periodically gain weight as an ectomorph given what I do now. Granted there are various theories/suggestions including the infamous JUST EAT MORE mantra, I'd be curious to hear any lifting techniques, eating habits, etc. that may have helped others with a slim build.
Thanks!
Would love any advice on how to maintain and periodically gain weight as an ectomorph given what I do now. Granted there are various theories/suggestions including the infamous JUST EAT MORE mantra, I'd be curious to hear any lifting techniques, eating habits, etc. that may have helped others with a slim build.
Thanks!
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Eating more is obvious but I wouldn't go daft. If you decide to bulk a few pounds, I'd limit it to 400-500 surplus so you're not piling on too much fat.
I have no theories on lifting routines, I'm relatively new to this game and just stuck to the same routine I'd used while cutting. Second time round I might switch it up but I'm still researching
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@3laine75, thank you for your response. Do you have any suggestions for meals/snacks that are calorie-heavy but aren't too unhealthy? I know I do have trouble getting my calorie count up.
In regards to routine, something I've been doing recently has been to significantly up weight and lower the reps (3 sets x 8 reps generally for a given exercise). I assume this is pretty standard knowledge for 'gaining' but I had never really applied it until a few months ago and it's definitely helping. Some element of muscle confusion seems to help too i.e. when I come back around to back/bis in a week (3 day rotation) I will focus back and then super-set exercises with curls whereas the first time around it was vice versa, focusing bis with a back super-set.0 -
Reduce workout frequency to 3 times per week. Stick with compound movements (deadlifts, squats etc). Perform lower reps higher weight with more rest between sets. Keep upping your food intake until you start to gain weight.0
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Just some quick info first: Somatotypes are a myth. They were created by a psychologist to categorize people based on behaviors.
With that aside, you want to gain size here's what you do:
Volume training: More sets in the range of 16 per body part
Progress resistance: Up the weights when you can
Calorie surplus: Can't gain without adding calories
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Wouldn't necessarily increase size, but strength here. Getting stronger doesn't always result in getting bigger.Reduce workout frequency to 3 times per week. Stick with compound movements (deadlifts, squats etc). Perform lower reps higher weight with more rest between sets. Keep upping your food intake until you start to gain weight.
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@3laine75, thank you for your response. Do you have any suggestions for meals/snacks that are calorie-heavy but aren't too unhealthy? I know I do have trouble getting my calorie count up.
In regards to routine, something I've been doing recently has been to significantly up weight and lower the reps (3 sets x 8 reps generally for a given exercise). I assume this is pretty standard knowledge for 'gaining' but I had never really applied it until a few months ago and it's definitely helping. Some element of muscle confusion seems to help too i.e. when I come back around to back/bis in a week (3 day rotation) I will focus back and then super-set exercises with curls whereas the first time around it was vice versa, focusing bis with a back super-set.
from my understanding size gains happen best in an 8-12 rep range for upper body and 10-15 reps range for lower body (maybe with squats and deads 8 reps are good, but accessory lifts and isolation work at the higher reps) with high volume. But of course you will have to be in a caloric surplus0 -
Just some quick info first: Somatotypes are a myth. They were created by a psychologist to categorize people based on behaviors.
With that aside, you want to gain size here's what you do:
Volume training: More sets in the range of 16 per body part
Progress resistance: Up the weights when you can
Calorie surplus: Can't gain without adding calories
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correct me if I am wrong but I thought it was more sets like you suggest for the larger muscle groups, but less for smaller ones (i.e. biceps, assuming you don't count back work as targeting biceps)?0 -
So I just started my bulk a few days into August.....so about 1 month in now.
What I have done so far is this::
1 week at 2800 cals (what I believe to be my maintenance)
Then bumped to 3200 cals and been there for the past 3 weeks.
Going to 3500 on this Sunday (09/07/14)...will do that for a couple weeks and see how I progress weight wise.
For training I am doing this....
I am doing Layne Norton's PHAT program with my own tweaks to it.....
So 1 Upper Heavy Day, 1 Lower Heavy Day
Then 3 hypertrophy days.....
2 rest days
Oh and I am 6'1" and ~172lb right now.0 -
@212019156, I like your concise advice and have been pretty much adhering to that the past few months minus limiting to 3 days/wk. What’s your logic for that aside from the obvious of allowance for more rest?
@erickirb, I hadn’t realized that more reps were generally better for lower body so I’ll look into that and most likely apply that to my leg workouts. Thanks for the tip.
@MityMax96, forgive the naivety but can you elaborate on what a ‘hypertrophy day’ entails?0 -
I've done 2 bulks. 165>180, and 170>186. I'm currently cut back down to 165. I gained 1 lb. per week eating 3,000-3,300 cals both times. First bulk was 'clean' food and 2nd bulk was IIFYM. No difference in results. Gained plenty of fat both times. I followed a very simple SL5x5 routine on the 2nd bulk with some additional accessory work and saw some good strength gains. Can you share some pics? 6'6" 220 sounds pretty solid to me.
....and ice cream works great for adding in the extra calories.0 -
Where your rep range is >8 - 10 reps
I have some exercises I do for 15 - 20 reps......
The heavy days will be a rep range of 3 - 5.....
So for hypertrophy, you are trying to get the muscle to take in more fluid.....so it gets that size you want.....so you do higher reps
For strength gains, you are just trying to cause an overload on the muscle to stimulate it....so that is why you do 3 - 5 reps heavy.0 -
@MityMax96, ah that makes sense, thanks for elaborating.
@NRBreit, I do love me some ice cream haha. And yea I'll see what I can muster up later this evening for a pic. In all seriousness I think I need to just start tracking my calorie intake to see what I manage to put down each day and then adjust from there.. at this moment I can only guess and surely it wouldn't be accurate. I bet I don't get upwards of 3k if that.0 -
welcome
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Progressive overload with a caloric surplus mate, i'd stick to training 4 days a week instead of 5. dedicate each sessions to one of the big lifts, bench, squat etc.0
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I've done 2 bulks. 165>180, and 170>186. I'm currently cut back down to 165. I gained 1 lb. per week eating 3,000-3,300 cals both times. First bulk was 'clean' food and 2nd bulk was IIFYM. No difference in results. Gained plenty of fat both times. I followed a very simple SL5x5 routine on the 2nd bulk with some additional accessory work and saw some good strength gains. Can you share some pics? 6'6" 220 sounds pretty solid to me.
....and ice cream works great for adding in the extra calories.
A "clean" bulk just means a more conservative calorie surplus, not "clean" foods. You can do a "clean" or a "dirty" bulk on completely whole foods or on pizza, beer, and ice cream. Only difference is surplus.0 -
Something I would like to try at some point (would help w/ a partner) is German Volume Training......
Looks interesting0 -
Something I would like to try at some point (would help w/ a partner) is German Volume Training......
Looks interesting
I have a friend who did that--he got amazing results.0 -
Something I would like to try at some point (would help w/ a partner) is German Volume Training......
Looks interesting
I have a friend who did that--he got amazing results.
How long did he do it for?
It really intrigues me and I would like to do it....
But I know I need a partner0 -
Something I would like to try at some point (would help w/ a partner) is German Volume Training......
Looks interesting
I have a friend who did that--he got amazing results.
How long did he do it for?
It really intrigues me and I would like to do it....
But I know I need a partner
He did it for 12 weeks. I just asked him about his gains...he did it a number of years ago and his response was "I'm not sure exactly, but I remember I gained a lot of volume and strength. I remember that I looked bigger."0 -
Ok, good to know.
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Reduce workout frequency to 3 times per week. Stick with compound movements (deadlifts, squats etc). Perform lower reps higher weight with more rest between sets. Keep upping your food intake until you start to gain weight.
I kind of second this, but a good compromise would be a legs/push/pull split.
I like wendlers - it's 4 days with the main lifts (compound) being in the strength rep range and the assistance, whatever you like- I do 3x8 one week then 3x10 the next then 3x12 then I up the weight and go back to 8. Again though, I'm just finding my feet.
As to the 'healthy' snacks - screw that, I hit my protein and fat macros then have whatever I like (within cals). But healthyish: apple and peanut butter, cottage cheese or Greek yoghurt with oats and berries - far more fun is some Ben n jerry's or a snicker or whatever.0 -
Ok, good to know.
Thanks
I was thinking about trying it come bulk time (have 3.5 lbs to lose before I start again)0 -
Ok, good to know.
Thanks
I was thinking about trying it come bulk time (have 3.5 lbs to lose before I start again)
Ok, I need a partner, so come workout with me. :laugh: :laugh:0 -
Ok, good to know.
Thanks
I was thinking about trying it come bulk time (have 3.5 lbs to lose before I start again)
Ok, I need a partner, so come workout with me. :laugh: :laugh:
Pfft....YOU come up here and work out with ME!0 -
Ok, good to know.
Thanks
I was thinking about trying it come bulk time (have 3.5 lbs to lose before I start again)
Ok, I need a partner, so come workout with me. :laugh: :laugh:
Pfft....YOU come up here and work out with ME!
LOL
I like my gym though0 -
I've done 2 bulks. 165>180, and 170>186. I'm currently cut back down to 165. I gained 1 lb. per week eating 3,000-3,300 cals both times. First bulk was 'clean' food and 2nd bulk was IIFYM. No difference in results. Gained plenty of fat both times. I followed a very simple SL5x5 routine on the 2nd bulk with some additional accessory work and saw some good strength gains. Can you share some pics? 6'6" 220 sounds pretty solid to me.
....and ice cream works great for adding in the extra calories.
A "clean" bulk just means a more conservative calorie surplus, not "clean" foods. You can do a "clean" or a "dirty" bulk on completely whole foods or on pizza, beer, and ice cream. Only difference is surplus.
Correct. I consider both of my previous bulks as 'clean' bulks where I gained 1 lb. per week on average (even though I ate ice cream, etc.).0 -
There is a bit of disagreement on here regarding rep ranges for size gains. For a natural with poor genetics for size gains what is more important than high reps vs. low reps is consistent long term gradual increase in weight lifted. If you want to go higher reps (8 to 12) knock yourself out, but ultimately it is the consistent increases in weight over time that will do it for you. Getting stronger will make you bigger flat out.0
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Thanks to all for the input. I realized that I do actually take-in somewhere in the range of 3k calories per day but do want to up that.
What is the general opinion about pre-workout mixes? I've been taking a supplement called C4 and not sure if it's even worth it.0 -
Eat healthy proteins...lean chicken, nuts, add olive oil to your foods, etc.0
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Something I would like to try at some point (would help w/ a partner) is German Volume Training......
Looks interesting
I have a friend who did that--he got amazing results.
How long did he do it for?
It really intrigues me and I would like to do it....
But I know I need a partner
I've done GVT several times and it's one of the worst hypertrohpy routines imo. Never will I do it again. It's hardly high volume and doesn't lend itself to progression
Then again, 10 sets of 10 reps is NOT what I consider volume. Volume to me is 14-24 sets, rep ranges between 5-20 reps. drop sets, rest pausing, forced stretching, supersetting, etc.
OP. You are eating in the 3000 Calorie range? There is your problem. For a man at your size, that is CUTTING consumption. I would lose 2-4 lbs a week doing that and you weigh slightly more than me. You have a large frame....I'd say 4000 minimum for a 6'6" guy to look muscular. And that's on the low end.
preworkout mixes are mostly good. Don't go crazy with it. It's a stimulant, know your body and heart health first.0
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