Butter makes your pants fall off?
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If you like the taste of butter and coconut oil in your coffee, and that combination, along with your total calorie intake for the day, falls at or below your calorie goal, you will lose weight. Unless you have a medical condition, as long as you are eating at a calorie deficit, you will lose weight. That's not to say that you will be at optimum health. Butter and coconut oil are both saturated fats, and eating a diet heavy in saturated fats without the necessary fiber to keep your cholesterol low could lead to heart disease.
Not true. Fats do not cause heart related disease. Diets high in fat and low in carbs have proven to reduce Triglycerides and higher HDL better than current drugs on the market. LDL-P also vastly improves though total cholesterol could go up (not a good marker for heart risk).
erm....no. I said saturated fats and low in fiber. I also said nothing about using drugs to reduce said cholesterol. Balancing saturated fat intake with healthy mono- and polyunsaturated fats will keep risk of heart disease low. keeping fiber intake at a healthy level also keeps risk of heart disease down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2zoDsVimyw
People who eat diets in high in sat fat have lowered risk of heart disease.
It absolutely depends on their fiber intake, their activity level, genetics, and intake of monounsaturated fats. You can't just make a blatant statement like that about the general population. It's dangerous.0 -
Down 70 pounds in 6 months on the low carb high fat lifestyle. It's not bull**** and it's not a fad.
Congratz on a calorie deficit.0 -
Down 70 pounds in 6 months on the low carb high fat lifestyle. It's not bull**** and it's not a fad.
Congratz on a calorie deficit.
No, actually. I have a medical condition that requires it. Thanks for playing.0 -
Down 70 pounds in 6 months on the low carb high fat lifestyle. It's not bull**** and it's not a fad.
Congratz on a calorie deficit.
No, actually. I have a medical condition that requires it. Thanks for playing.
It's still a calorie deficit. Your medical condition may require you to be low carb for optimal weight loss but it's still a calorie deficit that controls weight loss. I love playing0 -
If you like the taste of butter and coconut oil in your coffee, and that combination, along with your total calorie intake for the day, falls at or below your calorie goal, you will lose weight. Unless you have a medical condition, as long as you are eating at a calorie deficit, you will lose weight. That's not to say that you will be at optimum health. Butter and coconut oil are both saturated fats, and eating a diet heavy in saturated fats without the necessary fiber to keep your cholesterol low could lead to heart disease.
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I read that. Or at least, I tried to read it. It was literally painful to read. I'd like to call his understanding of nutrition of poor, but really, it doesn't even exist.
A lot of what he was saying is what is being found in current research. Nutrition over the past 30-40 years has never been based on science but anecdotal evidence. We still have a problem today of science trying to link correlation with causation which in most cases, misleads a lot of people including people the with money for the research as they end up going down the wrong road away from what they actually wanted to learn. Atkins was on the right tack.
Our body's are complex machines, the fact that people still believe the whole calorie is a calorie is ludicrous. Metabolism isn't some furnace you are feeding with energy that 'burns' what you eat. Hormones are what play the largest part in weight control, not how much you eat. Insulin causes more problems than people realise. For starters, insulin is inflammatory and causes all kinds of problems within the body. One of the biggest reasons to go vlc is due to the fact you just don't need to count calories in the lack of presence of insulin. Insulin is a hormone that acts as a gatekeeper to all the cells in your body. If you eat more energy than is needed, Insulin stores that energy as fat no matter which source it is from. Remove Insulin from the picture and those cell doors don't even open up meaning you can eat energy dense foods such as fat and your body will just pass the excess fat.
The TYPE of macronutrient is more important than the number of calories. Each macro has a different metabolic pathway and are broken down by the body in totally different ways. Carbs and Proteins force an insulin response and Fat forces a leptin response. It goes a lot deeper than that but most people here are too close minded to even bother reading research or watch lectures.
If you want to carry on eating the way you want to, that's your choice. However, the science is there and it's going to change how we all eat.
Our body's what? Or did you mean our bodies, as in the plural sense? A calorie is a unit of heat, so yes, a calorie is just a calorie. Perhaps what you meant is that macro balance is also important.
Yes, to a degree. However the whole calorie in calorie out is what people seem to misunderstand. I don't know why people think it's really as simple as that because it just isn't. Even though a calorie is a unit of energy, the way the body processes the calorie from different macronutrients is totally different and excess energy consumed does not equate to just fat storage.
I used to be a calorie counter on the traditional diet because I didn't know any better. I used to go on all the health forums and use their calculators and formulas. I used to pour hours into building a 'healthy' menu and strictly following it while working out. I never lost much and it just came back when I got bored. I then read about nutritional ketosis and spents 2-3 months doing my own reading and researching the topic. I have never felt better in my life, it has totally changed me and the troubles I had with my body. I have also found it very sustainable because I like fatty foods and I don't crave sugar or carbs like a lot of people do. Won't work for everyone but I think that's more a mental thing than a physical thing. If ketosis is done properly by anyone, you are 100% guaranteed to shed the weight no matter who you are. People who fail VLC diets tend to not understand them fully and don't follow them strictly which has to be done. Once you are in full swing of things, that's when people notice the benefits.0 -
If you like the taste of butter and coconut oil in your coffee, and that combination, along with your total calorie intake for the day, falls at or below your calorie goal, you will lose weight. Unless you have a medical condition, as long as you are eating at a calorie deficit, you will lose weight. That's not to say that you will be at optimum health. Butter and coconut oil are both saturated fats, and eating a diet heavy in saturated fats without the necessary fiber to keep your cholesterol low could lead to heart disease.
Not true. Fats do not cause heart related disease. Diets high in fat and low in carbs have proven to reduce Triglycerides and higher HDL better than current drugs on the market. LDL-P also vastly improves though total cholesterol could go up (not a good marker for heart risk).
erm....no. I said saturated fats and low in fiber. I also said nothing about using drugs to reduce said cholesterol. Balancing saturated fat intake with healthy mono- and polyunsaturated fats will keep risk of heart disease low. keeping fiber intake at a healthy level also keeps risk of heart disease down.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2zoDsVimyw
People who eat diets in high in sat fat have lowered risk of heart disease.
It absolutely depends on their fiber intake, their activity level, genetics, and intake of monounsaturated fats. You can't just make a blatant statement like that about the general population. It's dangerous.
How is it dangerous when the science is there to back it up? There is actually zero science behind fats causing heart disease. If you want to learn more, watch the video I linked. Otherwise I'll take your understanding of it as word of mouth or listening to government advice which the majority of the time favors who ever is lobbying for the products to get pushed through government channels.0 -
Oh, my. Referring someone to Google without advising them to stick to well-defined medical sites is no different than telling them to take the advice of every person's opinion right here on MFP. Google will give them a myriad of foolish sites, Dr. Oz's at the top, no doubt.
There are some gems out there that lead into a network of solid websites containing papers, lectures and podcasts.0 -
Oh, my. Referring someone to Google without advising them to stick to well-defined medical sites is no different than telling them to take the advice of every person's opinion right here on MFP. Google will give them a myriad of foolish sites, Dr. Oz's at the top, no doubt.
There are some gems out there that lead into a network of solid websites containing papers, lectures and podcasts. If you can't tell between a blog that is someones opinion and an article that is backed up by scholarly papers then that's just stupidity.
there are a lot of people on this site who are naive and don't know that much about the world of nutrition, so calling them stupid for not being experts at internet browsing is pretty rude.0 -
If you like the taste of butter and coconut oil in your coffee, and that combination, along with your total calorie intake for the day, falls at or below your calorie goal, you will lose weight. Unless you have a medical condition, as long as you are eating at a calorie deficit, you will lose weight. That's not to say that you will be at optimum health. Butter and coconut oil are both saturated fats, and eating a diet heavy in saturated fats without the necessary fiber to keep your cholesterol low could lead to heart disease.
Not true. Fats do not cause heart related disease. Diets high in fat and low in carbs have proven to reduce Triglycerides and higher HDL better than current drugs on the market. LDL-P also vastly improves though total cholesterol could go up (not a good marker for heart risk).
erm....no. I said saturated fats and low in fiber. I also said nothing about using drugs to reduce said cholesterol. Balancing saturated fat intake with healthy mono- and polyunsaturated fats will keep risk of heart disease low. keeping fiber intake at a healthy level also keeps risk of heart disease down.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2zoDsVimyw
People who eat diets in high in sat fat have lowered risk of heart disease.
It absolutely depends on their fiber intake, their activity level, genetics, and intake of monounsaturated fats. You can't just make a blatant statement like that about the general population. It's dangerous.
How is it dangerous when the science is there to back it up? There is actually zero science behind fats causing heart disease. If you want to learn more, watch the video I linked. Otherwise I'll take your understanding of it as word of mouth or listening to government advice which the majority of the time favors who ever is lobbying for the products to get pushed through government channels.
You should take my understanding of it as advice from medical experts and my own research.0 -
If you like the taste of butter and coconut oil in your coffee, and that combination, along with your total calorie intake for the day, falls at or below your calorie goal, you will lose weight. Unless you have a medical condition, as long as you are eating at a calorie deficit, you will lose weight. That's not to say that you will be at optimum health. Butter and coconut oil are both saturated fats, and eating a diet heavy in saturated fats without the necessary fiber to keep your cholesterol low could lead to heart disease.
Have you a source to back-up this claim?
A registered dietician, and my GI doctor. As well as my GP. And my own research. I think a healthy balance of saturated fats in any diet is fine, just not a diet heavy in saturated fats. Especially without the fiber needed.0 -
I'm just going to leave this here. Quoting from the website:
Calories Are Not the Issue
Listen and let me tell you something you already know:
Fat people handle food differently than thin people.
We all know people who are fat and we say they’re fat because they eat to much.
But on the other hand, We all know people who eat like horses and they’re slim and trim and never gain weight.
But you know what, why don’t we say the skinny person is skinny BECAUSE they eat too much?
When the fat guy eats too much it’s automatically the reason he’s fat.
You know, If it’s just calories, if getting fat is just a simple math problem.
1 + 1 = 2 , then if you eat too much you ought to get fat, period.
And if you don’t eat a lot, you ought to get thin, period.
You know – the question of why some of us get fat is not about calories – we all know it can’t be just calories because some people just don’t get fat.
The real question is why do some people collect fat and stay hungry, and why do other people not collect fat and stay full of energy, slim and trim?
What causes people like me and you to store more of the food we eat as fat, instead of burning that food for energy?
The key to why “Butter Makes Your Pants Fall Off”.
See, the person who stores what he eats as fat has got a problem and that problem is what doctors call “insulin resistance”.0 -
I'm just going to leave this here. Quoting from the website:
Calories Are Not the Issue
Listen and let me tell you something you already know:
Fat people handle food differently than thin people.
We all know people who are fat and we say they’re fat because they eat to much.
But on the other hand, We all know people who eat like horses and they’re slim and trim and never gain weight.
But you know what, why don’t we say the skinny person is skinny BECAUSE they eat too much?
When the fat guy eats too much it’s automatically the reason he’s fat.
You know, If it’s just calories, if getting fat is just a simple math problem.
1 + 1 = 2 , then if you eat too much you ought to get fat, period.
And if you don’t eat a lot, you ought to get thin, period.
You know – the question of why some of us get fat is not about calories – we all know it can’t be just calories because some people just don’t get fat.
The real question is why do some people collect fat and stay hungry, and why do other people not collect fat and stay full of energy, slim and trim?
What causes people like me and you to store more of the food we eat as fat, instead of burning that food for energy?
The key to why “Butter Makes Your Pants Fall Off”.
See, the person who stores what he eats as fat has got a problem and that problem is what doctors call “insulin resistance”.
Please tell me we're not going down this path again.....0 -
The ladies of MFP are on a roll.
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Naw, I don't want to be on a roll. Put dat butter on it instead and I'll eat it.The ladies of MFP are on a roll.
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Down 70 pounds in 6 months on the low carb high fat lifestyle. It's not bull**** and it's not a fad.
Congratz on a calorie deficit.
Why would you automatically assume it's a calorie deficit?0 -
Oh goodie. I was running out of fun threads to follow.Down 70 pounds in 6 months on the low carb high fat lifestyle. It's not bull**** and it's not a fad.
Congratz on a calorie deficit.
Why would you automatically assume it's a calorie deficit?0 -
The ladies of MFP are on a roll.
I prefer a croissant.0 -
In for the fun!
I want to hear more about someone losing weight despite no caloric deficit.0 -
Looks like an article on low-carb eating aimed at people who don't do science articles. Goes over abdominal fat and insulin resistance, then presents low-carb as the solution. The only reason any of this comes across as shocking or crazy is because the wording is that plain and easy to understand.0
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Absolutely right, eating more fat diet means you feel less hunger and it cuts down your calorie intake.Basically eating a high fat diet has high satiety meaning you're hungry less. It all comes down to calorie intake though. There are a million different diets and ways to spin it, but if you're eating a lower calorie intake than you're burning you will lose weight. He is right about the fact that dietary fat does not in and of itself make you fat. No individual macronutrient makes you fat. It's all context in your total dietary intake.0 -
Down 70 pounds in 6 months on the low carb high fat lifestyle. It's not bull**** and it's not a fad.
Wouldn't waste my breath. People on here hate low-carb, or at least have a distaste for it so deep that they just HAVE to comment negatively. Just roll your eyes and move forward. That's what I do, unless I'm PMSing. Then the gloves come off. lol0 -
People on here don't hate low-carb any more than anything else. What they disagree with is the notion than simply reducing/ cutting out carbs will result in weight loss, regardless of how many calories you ingest. What causes ruffled feathers is stating that you can eat as much protein and fat as you want and still lose weight, without regard for your overall caloric intake (regardless of the source). It's an important distinction.Down 70 pounds in 6 months on the low carb high fat lifestyle. It's not bull**** and it's not a fad.
Wouldn't waste my breath. People on here hate low-carb, or at least have a distaste for it so deep that they just HAVE to comment negatively. Just roll your eyes and move forward. That's what I do, unless I'm PMSing. Then the gloves come off. lol
ETA - I can sense your eyeroll....stop it! :laugh:0 -
I can only speak for myself, and I tend to avoid most of those types of threads (cause I'm mostly here for the cat gifs) but I don't, and I don't think most people do. What they DO have a hate and distaste for is misinformation and bad science. And that link was filled with epically bad information.Down 70 pounds in 6 months on the low carb high fat lifestyle. It's not bull**** and it's not a fad.
Wouldn't waste my breath. People on here hate low-carb, or at least have a distaste for it so deep that they just HAVE to comment negatively. Just roll your eyes and move forward. That's what I do, unless I'm PMSing. Then the gloves come off. lol
Low carb works for some people, especially those with PCOS and insulin/blood sugar issues. Fat isn't bad, it's actually pretty important. And it's satiating. If it works well for keeping adherence, by all means, follow a LCHF diet!
But there is absolutely no NEED to follow that diet. And it's no better for weight loss (barring the aforementioned issues). And if you are going to claim that skinny people are skinny because they are somehow special snowflakes and not that they eat within their TDEE, that fat people are not fat because they eat too many calories, and that you can eat at a caloric surplus and not gain weight, then yeah, you can bet there will be negative comments on that.0 -
If you like the taste of butter and coconut oil in your coffee, and that combination, along with your total calorie intake for the day, falls at or below your calorie goal, you will lose weight. Unless you have a medical condition, as long as you are eating at a calorie deficit, you will lose weight. That's not to say that you will be at optimum health. Butter and coconut oil are both saturated fats, and eating a diet heavy in saturated fats without the necessary fiber to keep your cholesterol low could lead to heart disease.
Have you a source to back-up this claim?
A registered dietician, and my GI doctor. As well as my GP. And my own research. I think a healthy balance of saturated fats in any diet is fine, just not a diet heavy in saturated fats. Especially without the fiber needed.
So...no. I was really thinking more along the lines of a peer-reviewed research study, not word of mouth from supposed experts. Pray tell, what did you own research entail? My "research" has uncovered that the recommended amounts of fiber in the SAD are only required because we are so low-fat crazy that there's nothing else to grease the works. Eat some fat. And a whole lot of leafy greens. That'll keep things moving.
As far as the low-carb vs. calories in-and-out debate, I must agree that calories matter. But it is much easier to maintain a deficit when one is not riding the carb roller-coaster. Losing 35 pounds without once feeling like I was deprived or going to chew off my arm is a freaking miracle, as far as I am concerned.0 -
Okay, here you go with a scientific study. As I was saying, I don't support eating a lot of refined carbohydrates in place of fats. I support eating a healthy amount of saturated fats, supplemented by monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats. This is the combination that keeps cholesterol levels down, as supported by this article.If you like the taste of butter and coconut oil in your coffee, and that combination, along with your total calorie intake for the day, falls at or below your calorie goal, you will lose weight. Unless you have a medical condition, as long as you are eating at a calorie deficit, you will lose weight. That's not to say that you will be at optimum health. Butter and coconut oil are both saturated fats, and eating a diet heavy in saturated fats without the necessary fiber to keep your cholesterol low could lead to heart disease.
Have you a source to back-up this claim?
A registered dietician, and my GI doctor. As well as my GP. And my own research. I think a healthy balance of saturated fats in any diet is fine, just not a diet heavy in saturated fats. Especially without the fiber needed.
So...no. I was really thinking more along the lines of a peer-reviewed research study, not word of mouth from supposed experts. Pray tell, what did you own research entail? My "research" has uncovered that the recommended amounts of fiber in the SAD are only required because we are so low-fat crazy that there's nothing else to grease the works. Eat some fat. And a whole lot of leafy greens. That'll keep things moving.
As far as the low-carb vs. calories in-and-out debate, I must agree that calories matter. But it is much easier to maintain a deficit when one is not riding the carb roller-coaster. Losing 35 pounds without once feeling like I was deprived or going to chew off my arm is a freaking miracle, as far as I am concerned.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fats-full-story/0 -
Butter and saturated fat do not lead to heart disease. Its the sugar in your diet in the form of excess carbs that keeps the fat in your bloodstream instead of using it for energy. Is the guy crazy? No! He is living proof that this kind of eating regime works to lose excess weight and without experiencing hunger or cravings! Those of you that think this is poor nutrition need to do their homework!!0
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CarlaMomOf4 wrote: »Has anyone seen this post? Just wondering if this guy is a crack pot or if it might add up somehow...
http://www.buttermakesyourpantsfalloff.com/butter-makes-your-pants-fall-off/
Floor is open, tell me your thoughts.....
I can relate to the article all too well. He describes my weight loss experience and cholesterol profile control to a T.
Basically using a similar strategy as this guy, my weight loss was so rapid that my pants actually were falling off. It made being at work a bit awkward. And the wallet hurt for a while b/c I had to buy all new clothes.0 -
Butter and saturated fat do not lead to heart disease. Its the sugar in your diet in the form of excess carbs that keeps the fat in your bloodstream instead of using it for energy. Is the guy crazy? No! He is living proof that this kind of eating regime works to lose excess weight and without experiencing hunger or cravings! Those of you that think this is poor nutrition need to do their homework!!
Agreed. And those who have done it are living proof to themselves.0 -
That's just Harvard's opinion based on the Nurses Health Study, which is their own data base from where they draw their conclusions, all of which is epidemiology based and no RCT's....Also Harvard has been biased against saturated fat (animal products) from the get go and still live it based on this editorial (opinion).
Okay, here you go with a scientific study. As I was saying, I don't support eating a lot of refined carbohydrates in place of fats. I support eating a healthy amount of saturated fats, supplemented by monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats. This is the combination that keeps cholesterol levels down, as supported by this article.If you like the taste of butter and coconut oil in your coffee, and that combination, along with your total calorie intake for the day, falls at or below your calorie goal, you will lose weight. Unless you have a medical condition, as long as you are eating at a calorie deficit, you will lose weight. That's not to say that you will be at optimum health. Butter and coconut oil are both saturated fats, and eating a diet heavy in saturated fats without the necessary fiber to keep your cholesterol low could lead to heart disease.
Have you a source to back-up this claim?
A registered dietician, and my GI doctor. As well as my GP. And my own research. I think a healthy balance of saturated fats in any diet is fine, just not a diet heavy in saturated fats. Especially without the fiber needed.
So...no. I was really thinking more along the lines of a peer-reviewed research study, not word of mouth from supposed experts. Pray tell, what did you own research entail? My "research" has uncovered that the recommended amounts of fiber in the SAD are only required because we are so low-fat crazy that there's nothing else to grease the works. Eat some fat. And a whole lot of leafy greens. That'll keep things moving.
As far as the low-carb vs. calories in-and-out debate, I must agree that calories matter. But it is much easier to maintain a deficit when one is not riding the carb roller-coaster. Losing 35 pounds without once feeling like I was deprived or going to chew off my arm is a freaking miracle, as far as I am concerned.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fats-full-story/
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