Is weight lifting 4 weight loss becoming the new Myth?
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IMHO, it's like most other information about health and fitness and weight loss - someone grabs hold of a notion like a rabid dog and won't let go. They tout it to the masses like a new religion regardless of actual facts and figures and long term research.
Women should never have stayed away from weights. Someone somewhere decided that being athletic and muscular wasn't pretty so they told women not to do weights. Now we know that get gain bulk you need to put in serious work, not just in the gym but with your diet - it doesn't just happen from picking up 5 pound weights now and then. But unfortunately these ideas are still around. I've tried to convince my mother and aunt to pick up weights but they won't do it - or if they do, it's like 1 or 2 pounds.
We also thought eggs were the devil and now know that's wrong. I remember even hearing at one point there were questions about oatmeal for goodness sake. The point is, you can't take everything you hear too seriously. And pretty much any time you hear an opinion that is based on negating the benefits of something in particular, it's usually wrong - whether it's something dietary like carbs or something fitness related like walking.
And ultimately, as other wise folks on here have already pointed out, you only need a calorie deficit to lose weight. Exercise is a bonus for both a better physique and better health (not just muscles/metabolism but bone health, heart health, etc)0 -
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Can only speak to my personal experience.
I've done a lot of weight training without maintaining a calorie deficit and didn't lose any weight, I just ended up with nicely defined muscle under all my fat.
I have done a lot of cardio without a calorie deficit and managed to lose a little.
Maintained a calorie deficit for the past 2 1/2 months with minimal exercise of any type: 17 lbs weight loss.
Kinda speaks for itself ( although I know everyone's body is different):smooched:
they say its 80% diet 20% sport
personally I avoid weights when losing as a) I have no energy for it and b) it makes me ravenous for carbs and sugar afterward0 -
Dude...WAY too long for the forums. Start a blog.0
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if you ever google weight training and fat loss or cardio and weight loss... You will see an over abundance of articles telling you that if you just lift weights & build muscle, you're going to magically watch fat fall off your body!
I've not read a thing on this thread (including beyond the OP sentence that I have quoted) but I am 100% sure that if there are articles that say such a thing, they are not to be believed.
NOTHING is going to make fat magically fall of anyone. If that were true everyone would know about it and everyone would do it and no one would be fat.
That being said, lifting cannot possibly be a bad thing to train in. Der.0 -
But coming from a different side of things...why does it matter to you what exercise people are doing? Exercise of any kind will burn calories. Weight training will keep your muscles strong and prevent muscle loss while eating a deficit... Pondering if any exercise (performed safely) shouldn't be done by people seeking weight loss seems illogical.
This.
I think people should do what they enjoy, as long as they're doing something.
Optimally, for the best health overall, weights AND cardio (and probably some yoga or something similar for balance and flexibility) is ideal. Cardio for your heart and stamina, weights for muscle-building, stronger bones, etc.
It's all good and it's all important. But what others do is their business, not mine.0 -
i find the ones that talk commonsense, are the ones that have long term repeat clients.
Yes!The myth is one being better than the other. Do both. Enjoy.
And yes again!Weight lifting is not for weight loss. It's for maintaining lean muscle while you lose weight.
The main myth flying around is the wild claims being for adding minimal amounts of muscle burning a load of calories. Really it's going to make a marginal difference.
Remember that trainers need to make a living so fashion comes into it, it's hard to be the hot new trainer on the block just talking commonsense.....0 -
Its all very interesting....I like trying different things to see what works best.
In May I was hiking loads for about 1 month, I am talking 6-8 hour hill walking hikes 3-4 times a week that were exhausting.
The amount of cals I was burning was crazy. I was eating pretty similar to what I am eating now .. maybe abut 1600 cals a day, with some more on hiking days...and I lost 2lbs.
For the past 17 days I have been weightlifting every other day and doing short 30 min walks on uphill terrain, eating similar and Ive lost around 8lbs ( mostly water weight I realize as I cut down on salt ) I definitely feel more toned than when I was hiking ?
I will hike again here when it gets cooler but probably only once a week. So far the weight lifting seems to sit better with me0 -
Yes some is ok but too much will not help with weightloss. Cardio is best for weightloss.
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I do both. About 2,5 hours of weight lifting + resistance training and about 4 hours of cardio per week (which I prefer). And I am starting to love my body! Still losing weight and starting to see muscles everywhere.
I would say do what you like to do. Only weightlifting would make me stop long ago. Don't like it
But cardio I love. And still I am seeing changes. 0 -
I lift for strength and run for endurance. I didn't know I had to pick one.0
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IMO exercise of any kind is a very poor method to losing weight. Exercise is great for your health and has many other beifits. I do a lot of exercise and always have, but it has not kept me thin, i use exercise as a way to eat a little bit more and to mitigate the effects of dieting. The amount of people that go for a long walk and then "reward" themselfs with a slice of cake. My advice, it's easier to not eat the cake than do the exercise. Exercise is for good health not weight lose.0
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In so I can follow the discussion. This should be interesting.0
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Yes some is ok but too much will not help with weightloss. Cardio is best for weightloss.
How so? A caloric deficit is best for weight loss. Say you have a deficit of 750 cals/day and do 1hr of cardio/day why would you lose more than if you have a 750 cals deficit and weight train??? (with the cardio you will be able to eat more and maintain the same deficit) How much of your weight loss was fat vs. muscle? and imagine what you BF% would have been at your goal weight had you lifted the whole time? (it would be much lower than it is now, due to the retention of more of the muscle you already had)
The weight lifting with the 750 cal deficit would lead to the same weight loss, but a higher % of that weight loss will come from fat, the cardio only option a lot of the weight loss will come from lean muscle, this is more prominent the less you have to lose.0 -
ya know, just offering this as an alternative.
huge, HUGE walls of opinions are a much better fit for a blog or group or something. You can feel as strongly as you want about whatever you want, but the second you hit that submit button... then it's free game.0 -
Just weight lifting alone whilst still eating the same isn't going to get you anywhere...I don't think there's any information out there suggesting that.
I believe pretty much everyone should know by now, as well as the "experts" that a calorie deficit is what's required to lose weight. Now without exercise, such as lifting, you will be losing muscle and fat. What alot of people are trying to say is that lifting whilst losing weight will preserve muscle as it's not that what you need to lose.
Cardio will burn your muscles off along with the fat.
I think you've confused yourself with everything you have read.
Athletes train for 5 hours because that is their job/career....everyday people that have worked an 8-10 hr day on top of other general everyday chores/duties will find running for more than a couple of hours daily too much.The body can only take so much.
Cardio is good for the heart, but cardio alone won't lose you any weight if your diet isn't in a deficit.0 -
You have been a member a month and suddenly your the expert. My advice is to get ofvthe internet and hit the road doing your cardio. Leave others to their own methods.:flowerforyou:
Um. Read his profile. He's lost more than 100lb. You... ?
Ad hom helps no-one.
This site is packed full of people who lost by cardio and deficit. Lifting and deficit. Deficit all by itself.
I think most of us can agree that a blend of lifting and cardio, with calorie control, is the way to lose weight and improve health.
I don't see why it's at all controversial.0 -
It really depends on your body type. If you have a Endomorph, cardio has to be a major part of your regiment with some weight training. But your diet will always be a key factor regardless.0
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You have been a member a month and suddenly your the expert. My advice is to get ofvthe internet and hit the road doing your cardio. Leave others to their own methods.:flowerforyou:
Um. Read his profile. He's lost more than 100lb. You... ?
That doesn't mean he did it the best/most efficient way. It means he found something that he could stick to, which is great, but maybe he could have been a lower BF% at this weight had he lifted the whole time.0 -
ya know, just offering this as an alternative.
huge, HUGE walls of opinions are a much better fit for a blog or group or something. You can feel as strongly as you want about whatever you want, but the second you hit that submit button... then it's free game.
Straight up tears!!! Can't stop laughing.
OP you say every single person is saying to lift weights and don't do cardio yet I haven't seen one person in this thread say that. So I'm gonna go ahead and say that you're wrong. There's no reason people can't do both or just eat at a deficit if that's what they choose.0 -
As long as you are eating at a deficit calorie wise you will lose weight. Exercise is for strength, endurance, stress reduction etc. and to the extent it adds to a deficit is adds to weight loss. While it is best to do a combination of cardio and weight lifting if you are doing either you are doing the body good. I do think the debate about only cardio or only weight lifting as ideal (and people saying one of the two is useless) should be put to rest. Also the poster, overstates this since most MFPs agree that both are good. The degree to which you concentrate on one or the other is a matter of personal goals - as well as finding a plan that you will stick with and enjoy.0
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My understanding is that weight lifting during weight loss is important so you don't lose muscle along with the fat - but I got all that from these forums, so, pinch of salt and all that.0
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It really depends on your body type. If you have a Endomorph, cardio has to be a major part of your regiment with some weight training. But your diet will always be a key factor regardless.
Endomorph and other 'morphs have been debunked... it was a psychologist of some sort that came up with these, not someone familiar anatomy and how the body works. You just need a deficit to lose weight0 -
Dude...WAY too long for the forums. Start a blog.
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Far too much TL;DR going on here and I think that response is unnecessary, juvenile and rude. If you can't be bothered to read the entire post then your response is irrelevant, start your own thread instead.
From Urban Dictionary: "too long; didn't read." really means: (meant tongue in cheek don't get your knickers in a twist reading this, but yea I still think it is rude and childish).
1. The inability to accept, understand or pay attention to information when not separated by a header.
2. The ability to arbitrarily read 400 small posts but not a long one.
3. A sign of ADD or lack of reading capability.
4. A very cheap response and an indication of lack of wit.
5. 90% of the time: A lie.
6. A desperate attempt at a comeback used by people who just can't think of one.
7. Usually used by people who've been torn apart verbally but want one last attempt at looking witty.
8. Total failure at #7.
7. A sign that, not only is someone too lazy and stupid to read but, clearly, too lazy and stupid to even type out four words indicating such.
9. Collect every "tl,dr" post online, and you'll have a good estimate of the number of lazy idiots on Earth, who currently have Internet access.
10. Should really be:
"Too Lazy, Don't Read."0 -
What about the EPOC effect from lifting heavy weight? Supposedly that can last 24-48 hours after a heavy lifting session. BTW, I am female, have been lifting heavy for the past 2-3 weeks and my weight is increasing!!! WTF! Only by a few pounds, but I doubt being female I could have gained 2 lbs of muscle in 2 weeks. I am staying at my required calories, which aren't very much btw, 1200 according to mfp and I'm starving!! Where's the weight loss?? Anyone have any insight?? I would love to have some advice.0
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Far too much TL;DR going on here and I think that response is unnecessary, juvenile and rude. If you can't be bothered to read the entire post then your response is irrelevant, start your own thread instead.
From Urban Dictionary: "too long; didn't read." really means: (meant tongue in cheek don't get your knickers in a twist reading this, but yea I still think it is rude and childish).
1. The inability to accept, understand or pay attention to information when not separated by a header.
2. The ability to arbitrarily read 400 small posts but not a long one.
3. A sign of ADD or lack of reading capability.
4. A very cheap response and an indication of lack of wit.
5. 90% of the time: A lie.
6. A desperate attempt at a comeback used by people who just can't think of one.
7. Usually used by people who've been torn apart verbally but want one last attempt at looking witty.
8. Total failure at #7.
7. A sign that, not only is someone too lazy and stupid to read but, clearly, too lazy and stupid to even type out four words indicating such.
9. Collect every "tl,dr" post online, and you'll have a good estimate of the number of lazy idiots on Earth, who currently have Internet access.
10. Should really be:
"Too Lazy, Don't Read."
Thread hijacking is against the TOS. If you want to lecture people maybe start your own thread.0
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