Ho-made Bread.

odusgolp
odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
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Serious post is serious.

I made bread from scratch this weekend and need experienced bread makers advice... It was very dense. I'd like something lighter and airier inside.

What I did was a basic flour, quick rise yeast, hot water, little sugar & oil... herbs & asiago cheese.

It was good, don't get me wrong, but very dense. Took about 6 hours, baked in a cast iron pot, dish of water in bottom of oven. Three separate Knead, Punch, Rise for an hour rounds of fun.

Any good recipes? I'm determined to perfect bread based on my own obnoxious definition of perfection.
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  • RaspberryKeytoneBoondoggle
    RaspberryKeytoneBoondoggle Posts: 1,349 Member
    I usually use those ingredients but with traditional yeast. In Hot (but not too hot) water, ad sugar and yeast and wait for the yeast to come alive. Knead well, once it's incorporated I knead ten times, turning dough a quarter of the way, each time. I let it prove for at least TWO hours. I know it has risen enough because when I poke it with my finger the hole stays there. Then I knead and shape into loaves, and let it rise once more for about two hours again. Oven 450 or something ridiculously high for first ten minutes then reduce heat for the rest of the bake. I know it is ready when I can take it out of the oven and knock on it and it sounds hollow. My husband always makes fun of me by asking if I knocked on it, but it's pretty reliable.

    And don't stop baking, you may need a few dense loaves before you make it the way you want to.
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  • RaspberryKeytoneBoondoggle
    RaspberryKeytoneBoondoggle Posts: 1,349 Member
    I usually use those ingredients but with traditional yeast. In Hot (but not too hot) water, ad sugar and yeast and wait for the yeast to come alive. Knead well, add flour and other ingredients, once it's incorporated I knead ten times, turning dough a quarter of the way, each time. I let it prove for at least TWO hours. I know it has risen enough because when I poke it with my finger the hole stays there. Then I knead and shape into loaves, and let it rise once more for about two hours again. Oven 450 or something ridiculously high for first ten minutes then reduce heat for the rest of the bake. I know it is ready when I can take it out of the oven and knock on it and it sounds hollow. My husband always makes fun of me by asking if I knocked on it, but it's pretty reliable.

    And don't stop baking, you may need a few dense loaves before you make it the way you want to.
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    Awesome... I probably did too hot of water. It said 120-130 and I know it was hotter than that. Naughty Odus. Others are totally possible too - too much flour & kneading.

    I can try regular yeast too.
  • giggitygoo
    giggitygoo Posts: 1,978 Member
    without actually altering your recipe, these things could have been your issue

    #1 - I never use quick rise yeast, it doesn't work as well as regular yeast. yes, it takes longer to get your results, but the quality is better

    #2 - your water was too hot. if the water is too hot, it kills the yeast and it doesn't work right, making a denser, goopier substance. you want warm water, not hot. if you wouldn't take a bath in it, it's too hot

    #3 - too much kneading. if you knead the dough too much you bust up too much of the air bubbles and this makes for a denser bread

    #4 - too much flour. if you're putting a LOT of flour into the dough with each knead, it can make the bread denser.


    I would start with warm over hot water, and regular yeast. it takes practice and patience. I first made bread when I was about 10 years old, and sometimes I still get it wrong if I'm not paying attention.

    I was going to post pretty much this exact list.

    I would bet that you're over kneading.

    Di you proof your yeast? The water should just feel warm, not hot. Just above room temp with a tiny tiny sprinkle of sugar is my method.

    I also love high-gluten bread flour. It's more elastic, and tends to come out fluffier for me.
  • jackpotclown
    jackpotclown Posts: 3,275 Member
    yeah you're too kneady \m/
  • phdailey9429
    phdailey9429 Posts: 3 Member
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/08/dining/081mrex.html?_r=0
    Check out this link to a recipe for no-knead bread from the NY Times. I make home-made sourdough bread often, either using this recipe or using my bread machine (I don't want to knead!). Both turn out wonderful results. The NY Times recipe does not call for sourdough starter but I love the sour, so I add it. Good luck!! There's nothing finer or more satisfying than a loaf of homemade bread!
  • independant2406
    independant2406 Posts: 447 Member
    I don't make bread much but I did for our past thanksgiving dinner.

    Here are suggestions my grandma gave me to keep the bread fluffy:

    Knead the bread till its super elastic and will stretch to make a thin sheet almost. (stretch the bread dough in all four directions and it should be super thin and elastic) - A good chance for an arm workout. :P
    Use bread flour (different from regular flour and makes it lighter)
    Use less flour (adding too much makes the bread too stiff.)
    Also check the expiration date on the yeast...its important the yeast is fresh and not sitting in the packet for very long.
  • jasonmh630
    jasonmh630 Posts: 2,850 Member
    yeah you're too kneady \m/

    I lol'd at this...
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    I don't make bread much but I did for our past thanksgiving dinner.

    Here are suggestions my grandma gave me to keep the bread fluffy:

    Knead the bread till its super elastic and will stretch to make a thin sheet almost. (stretch the bread dough in all four directions and it should be super thin and elastic) - A good chance for an arm workout. :P
    Use bread flour (different from regular flour and makes it lighter)
    Use less flour (adding too much makes the bread too stiff.)
    Also check the expiration date on the yeast...its important the yeast is fresh and not sitting in the packet for very long.


    This seems contradictory to the don't knead too much advice? My head explodes easily :)



    Yeast is very fresh! Bought new to make sure :)
  • Galatea_Stone
    Galatea_Stone Posts: 2,037 Member
    I don't make bread, I make baseballs. I can be no help to you, but that advice up there looks pretty good. I might give it another try.
  • knitapeace
    knitapeace Posts: 1,013 Member
    If I don't have bread flour in the house I add vital wheat gluten to the mix, 1 tablespoon for every cup of regular flour. Helps to get that fluffy texture.
  • Jennifer10723
    Jennifer10723 Posts: 374 Member
    yeah you're too kneady \m/

    I lol'd at this...

    I did too .. lol
  • LookingBusy
    LookingBusy Posts: 72 Member
    Tee hee, so I burst out laughing when I read the title. I think you mean home-made bread, your title suggests that a person of questionable morals made your bread.

    ...sorry to be a spelling nazi. And yes, I am an immature child laughing at that. Long day at work I guess.

    :)
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  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    Tee hee, so I burst out laughing when I read the title. I think you mean home-made bread, your title suggests that a person of questionable morals made your bread.

    ...sorry to be a spelling nazi. And yes, I am an immature child laughing at that. Long day at work I guess.

    :)

    Yes yes... But it was intentional, dear :wink: :blushing:
  • ElemenopeeZ
    ElemenopeeZ Posts: 21 Member
    Odus, baby, sugar, honey, lemondrop...too much?

    TRUST ME. This recipe is ridiculously easy and requires almost NO work and uses a dutch oven too. You can add whatever you want to it also.

    http://www.simplysogood.com/2010/03/crusty-bread.html

    Crusty Bread


    3 cups unbleached all purpose flour
    1 3/4 teaspoons salt
    1/2 teaspoon Instant or Rapid-rise yeast
    1 1/2 cups water


    In a large mixing bowl, whisk together flour, salt and yeast. Add water and mix until a shaggy mixture forms. Cover bowl with plastic wrap and set aside for 12 - 18 hours. Overnight works great. Heat oven to 450 degrees. When the oven has reached 450 degrees place a cast iron pot with a lid in the oven and heat the pot for 30 minutes. Meanwhile, pour dough onto a heavily floured surface and shape into a ball. Cover with plastic wrap and let set while the pot is heating. Remove hot pot from the oven and drop in the dough. Cover and return to oven for 30 minutes. After 30 minutes remove the lid and bake an additional 15 minutes. Remove bread from oven and place on a cooling rack to cool.
  • brightsideofpink
    brightsideofpink Posts: 1,018 Member
    Tee hee, so I burst out laughing when I read the title. I think you mean home-made bread, your title suggests that a person of questionable morals made your bread.

    ...sorry to be a spelling nazi. And yes, I am an immature child laughing at that. Long day at work I guess.

    :)

    Hahaha, I was just trying to find a polite way to say something similar.
    OP, I mean no insult or offense. But I'm also laughing at this title and have been since I first read it. It must be the time of day/month. I'm not normally this immature, but damn if I didn't actually slap my leg at this one and laugh out loud.
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    Tee hee, so I burst out laughing when I read the title. I think you mean home-made bread, your title suggests that a person of questionable morals made your bread.

    ...sorry to be a spelling nazi. And yes, I am an immature child laughing at that. Long day at work I guess.

    :)

    I know the OP well, she did this on purpose to attract attention. giggle away freely

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  • sauron94
    sauron94 Posts: 9
    I knew a ho who made great chocolate chip cookies. :laugh:
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    Odus, baby, sugar, honey, lemondrop...too much?

    TRUST ME. This recipe is ridiculously easy and requires almost NO work and uses a dutch oven too. You can add whatever you want to it also.

    http://www.simplysogood.com/2010/03/crusty-bread.html

    Crusty Bread


    3 cups unbleached all purpose flour
    1 3/4 teaspoons salt
    1/2 teaspoon Instant or Rapid-rise yeast
    1 1/2 cups water


    In a large mixing bowl, whisk together flour, salt and yeast. Add water and mix until a shaggy mixture forms. Cover bowl with plastic wrap and set aside for 12 - 18 hours. Overnight works great. Heat oven to 450 degrees. When the oven has reached 450 degrees place a cast iron pot with a lid in the oven and heat the pot for 30 minutes. Meanwhile, pour dough onto a heavily floured surface and shape into a ball. Cover with plastic wrap and let set while the pot is heating. Remove hot pot from the oven and drop in the dough. Cover and return to oven for 30 minutes. After 30 minutes remove the lid and bake an additional 15 minutes. Remove bread from oven and place on a cooling rack to cool.


    NO joke, I almost sent you a FB message this weekend, I know you're gifted in the ho-made bread category!! :wink:
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    Odus, baby, sugar, honey, lemondrop...too much?


    Also... Never too much *lick lick*



    Can't we get a licking icon goin on in here?
  • KrzyGal
    KrzyGal Posts: 139 Member
    Tee hee, so I burst out laughing when I read the title. I think you mean home-made bread, your title suggests that a person of questionable morals made your bread.

    ...sorry to be a spelling nazi. And yes, I am an immature child laughing at that. Long day at work I guess.

    :)

    I know the OP well, she did this on purpose to attract attention. giggle away freely

    I was just gonna post, or the OP did it on purpose for the attention. :wink:
  • RaspberryKeytoneBoondoggle
    RaspberryKeytoneBoondoggle Posts: 1,349 Member
    I used to test the water like you do a baby bottle on your wrist.
  • MyChocolateDiet
    MyChocolateDiet Posts: 22,281 Member
    yeah you're too kneady \m/

    I lol'd at this...

    I did too .. lol

    LOL me too. Srsly tho that's prolly the culprit, or not doing the yeast right.
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    I'm not an accomplished bread maker, but in my experience, over-kneading can cause more dense consistency.

    Perhaps, I am completely wrong and other bread makers can correct my ignorance.
  • devil_in_a_blue_dress
    devil_in_a_blue_dress Posts: 5,214 Member
    Ok - here is what I do

    4 cups of bread flour (super important, has moar gluten than AP)

    2 cups of milk around 110 to 120 degrees

    2 tablespoons of soften butter

    2 tablespoons of honey or sugar

    1 egg

    1.5 teaspoons of salt

    1 yeast packet of dry active yeast

    I use my bread machine or the dough hook on my mixer to knead it. But if you don't use one milk and eggs in the bowl first, flour, everything else, with the yeast last. I don't proof mine. IfYou easily need to knead for 7-10 minutes, let it sit 30-60 covered in a warm spot for 45 minutes, knead it again for 7-10 minutes, cover and sit another 45. Form into rolls or bread pan, cover rise 20 more minutes.

    ETA: Don't have bread flour but TONS of AP? I'd break down and buy wheat gluten. I have used it with AP, very good. Also, as to over kneading -- pretty hard in my experience. Unless you have forearms of steel and can knead something for 20 minutes without wanting to die.
  • brightsideofpink
    brightsideofpink Posts: 1,018 Member
    Tee hee, so I burst out laughing when I read the title. I think you mean home-made bread, your title suggests that a person of questionable morals made your bread.

    ...sorry to be a spelling nazi. And yes, I am an immature child laughing at that. Long day at work I guess.

    :)

    Yes yes... But it was intentional, dear :wink: :blushing:

    I wish I had adequate advice to reward your humor. Alas, I just do whatever the little book my bread machine tells me to do. And it doesn't even pay me....
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