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Why Aspartame Isn't Scary

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  • jennifershoo
    jennifershoo Posts: 3,198 Member
    Bump B)
  • azulvioleta6
    azulvioleta6 Posts: 4,195 Member
    I ended up in the hospital several times before my doctors figured out that aspartame was making my brain swell. I have serious neurological issues and this is a VERY BAD THING for me. Obviously not everybody has a reaction to it, but for some of us, it absolutely is not safe to consume.

    I will get a migraine-like headache if I even eat one stick on Nutri-sweetened gum.
  • jissellc
    jissellc Posts: 76 Member
    Aaron_K123 wrote: »
    Hey everyone. I've seen my fair share of posts on the forums with regards to the dangers of aspartame and how it is a poison or a toxin or a carcinogen. Wanted to clear some things up about aspartame if I could just to explain why I personally believe there is absolutely no reason to fear aspartame.

    What is aspartame?

    For my fellow biochemists just simply saying its a methylester of phenylalanine and aspartate is enough to answer that question but figure I should take the time to explain what that means. Phenylalanine and aspartate are 2 of the 20 naturally occuring amino acids found in all protein. As our sequence information databases grow we know more and more about what the average amino acid composition of proteins is. Here is a download of our sum total sequence information from protein from the UniProt database. http://web.expasy.org/docs/relnotes/relstat.html Section 6 shows the amino acid frequencies which shows phenylalanine (Phe, F) at 3.6% of protein and aspartate (Asp, D) as 5.46%. This information will come in handy later. Amino acids are connected to one another naturally via a peptide bond between the carboxylic acid group and the amino group of each individual amino acid. Aspartame is simply a dipeptide of phenylalanine and aspartate where the terminal carboxy group is substituted for a methylester.

    All amino acids have the following structure:

    Amino-Acid-Structure-MFL.jpg

    Aspartame's structure is this:

    aspartame.gif

    And the natural dipeptide between aspartate and pheynlalanine (aspartyl-phenylalanine) is this:

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    Aspartame's structure is just a natural dipeptide of phenylalanine and aspartate where the terminal carboxylic acid group has been methylated on the oxygen to form a methyl ester so instead of COO- it is COCH3. That is the only difference.

    What happens to aspartame when we ingest it?

    As with any protein aspartame is hydrolized in the stomach acid and metabolically broken down in the intestine to the breakdown products of aspartate, phenylalanine and methanol in a weight ratio of 4:5:1. What that means is that 10mg of aspartame will be broken down in your body to 4mg of aspartate, 5mg of phenylalanine and 1mg of methanol before it enters your blood. [citation: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10408440701516184]. No aspartame enters your blood intact.

    How much of each metabolite do you get from ingesting one diet soda?

    So the metabolic products of aspartame are aspartate,phenylalanine and methanol in a 4:5:1 ratio. One can of diet coke has about 180mg of aspartame. That means it is broken down to 72mg of aspartate, 90mg of phenylalanine and 18mg of methanol.

    How much of those metabolites are in other foods?

    As mentioned phenylalanine and aspartate are naturally occuring amino acids found in all proteins. Protein is about 5.46% aspartate and about 3.6% phenylalanine on average. So let us say you have a 4oz piece of chicken breast. A small 4oz chicken breast has about 24g of protein. That means that in that chicken breast there is .036*24*1000 = 864mg of phenylalanine and .055*24*1000 = 1320mg aspartate. That means to get the same amount of aspartate and phenylalanine from diet coke as you do from one 4oz chicken breast you would have to drink 18 diet cokes. In my diet I eat around 180g of protein in a day which means to equal the amount I get from my normal diet of whole foods I would have to drink 135 cans of diet coke.

    Methanol is a biproduct of all fermentations. As such it is present in things that ferment, including things that are in the process of ferminting whether we think of them as alcohol or not. That means things like fruit. So how much methanol is present in 1 8oz glass of orange juice for example? Well according to this study of presence of methanol in a variety of orange juices [citation: http://archive.food.gov.uk/maff/archive/food/infsheet/1993/no17/table1.htm] the amount of methanol averages around 125 mg/kg. 8oz is 0.23kg so that means that 8oz of orange juice has about 29mg of methanol in it. Recall that a diet soda the aspartame content would break down to about 18mg of methanol. In otherwords orange juice, or really any fruit juice, has more methanol in it per oz than soda.

    Conclusion

    We know what aspartame is, we know its structure, we know its composition and we know exactly what happens to it in the human body. We are very familiar with the metabolic breakdown products of phenylalanine, aspartate and methanol all of which are found in higher amounts in natural whole foods such as fruits and proteins. There is no reason at all to suspect that aspartame presents any sort of toxic or carcinogenic risk from the chemistry of the molecule and indeed toxicology studies of aspartame in humans show no toxic dose level [citation: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10408440701516184]. Stories of the toxicity of aspartame are heresay, anecdotal and fear mongering and are not supported by either the chemistry, the biochemistry, the toxicology or the epidemiology.

    Yet online on the internet we get stuff like this:

    aspartame-kids.jpg

    Sensationalistic irrational garbage.

    Great post. As a bio major I found it informative. I would like to know the sources for your post for further research. Thanks
  • diannethegeek
    diannethegeek Posts: 14,776 Member
    Just bumping this old thread. Nothing to see here.
  • diannethegeek
    diannethegeek Posts: 14,776 Member
    Just bumping this old thread. Nothing to see here.
  • Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,696 Member
    Eff it. I'm bumping this one, too. Because reasons.
  • Leslierussell4134
    Leslierussell4134 Posts: 376 Member
    Aaron_K123 wrote: »
    In case it is relevant my background is a Ph.D. in molecular biology with a focus on protein biochemistry. 9 years of research experience with 5 years of infectious disease drug development research part of which is performing toxicology assays on potential drugs. In my opinion there is no evidence or reason to suspect mechanistically that aspartame is toxic or carcinogenic.

    I do NOT think that expertise or background is proof that someone is correct so I invite anyone and everyone who is interested to look into this yourself. I just mention it because I know I will likely be asked.

    Thank you for the information, I love these topics, bio, Chem and patho. Just beats watching a new mini series on TV!! I'm going to look into it myself and deepen my understanding. Keep it coming!
  • Azexas
    Azexas Posts: 4,334 Member
    daily bump
  • Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,696 Member
    And bump.
  • wanttobefit300
    wanttobefit300 Posts: 157 Member
    Well, I suffered for 5-6 years with neuropathy in my feet until a friend suggested it might be aspartame. I didn't believe it because I used so little. However, when I quit as a trial, I started having withdrawal symptoms that were unbelievable! Needless to say, I never used it again. Still have problems with the neuropathy (damaged nerves don't come back easily), but now have a medication that helps with it. Also, after quitting aspartame, my cholesterol dropped another 15 points.

    Aspartame is not a natural substance, and chemists don't know enough about how the human body works to say for sure how anything will affect it. So, if you don't have reactions from it and want to use it, OK. But serious problems can take years to develop. If you start having difficulties of any kind, try giving up the artificial sweeteners and see if it helps.
  • Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,696 Member
    Well, I suffered for 5-6 years with neuropathy in my feet until a friend suggested it might be aspartame. I didn't believe it because I used so little. However, when I quit as a trial, I started having withdrawal symptoms that were unbelievable! Needless to say, I never used it again. Still have problems with the neuropathy (damaged nerves don't come back easily), but now have a medication that helps with it. Also, after quitting aspartame, my cholesterol dropped another 15 points.

    Aspartame is not a natural substance, and chemists don't know enough about how the human body works to say for sure how anything will affect it. So, if you don't have reactions from it and want to use it, OK. But serious problems can take years to develop. If you start having difficulties of any kind, try giving up the artificial sweeteners and see if it helps.

    So, you quit aspartame because you thought it might be causing your neuropathy, and still had neuropathy after you quit. But you still think the neuropathy was caused by the aspartame? Okay.

    Did you even read the OP? Aspartame is nothing more than aspartate and phenylalanine. Two completely natural amino acids found in proteins.
  • jessica22222
    jessica22222 Posts: 375 Member
    Meh no matter the issue...I think aspartame tastes like crap anyways and makes me bloated like I'm pregnant. Hate the stuff.
  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
    Well, I suffered for 5-6 years with neuropathy in my feet until a friend suggested it might be aspartame. I didn't believe it because I used so little. However, when I quit as a trial, I started having withdrawal symptoms that were unbelievable! Needless to say, I never used it again. Still have problems with the neuropathy (damaged nerves don't come back easily), but now have a medication that helps with it. Also, after quitting aspartame, my cholesterol dropped another 15 points.
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    I fail to see the logic behind stopping a substance to help something else, and then when you stop said substance, the "something else" is still there...yet, still blame said substance.



  • jgnatca
    jgnatca Posts: 14,464 Member
    spoonful wrote: »
    Why would anyone want to ingest something that needs a defense like that?

    I've seen this same argument used by people who avoid flu shots. Oddly, the fiercer the defending arguments become, the more entrenched people become about the supposed dangers. I asked our safety rep why there was barely any mention of the supposed link between immunization and Aspberger's and he said "The more you repeat it, even if it is false, the more people give it credence."

    So, even if Aspartame is harmless, saying "it's not toxic!" will continue to perpetuate the false belief that something must be wrong.

    It's a shame, as it is a kind way to bring sweetness without calories in to the diabetic's and dieter's regimen.

    Immunization too. It has got to be one of the most natural ways to combat disease, alerting our own antibodies to defend. Say, as compared to antibiotics or chemo drugs.
  • Krystle1984
    Krystle1984 Posts: 146 Member
    This was very informative, thanks! I try and limit my aspartame intake because I was advised by my dietician that, like caffeine, if consumed with food it impairs the bodies ability to absorb calcium and iron. Having been diagnosed with Coeliac disease 5 years ago I was severely anaemic and there was some concern for my bone density so it made sense to avoid both. I started drinking naturally caffeine free tea (peppermint or redbush) and limited diet soft drinks until at least one hour after eating.

    Curious if anyone knows if there's any truth to what I was told? My iron levels certainly improved much more quickly after making the change but not sure whether cutting back on caffeine/aspartame was the reason? I never cut either out entirely, just stopped drinking them with meals. :)
  • thesnoozyone
    thesnoozyone Posts: 7 Member
    Aaron_K123 wrote: »
    In case it is relevant my background is a Ph.D. in molecular....
    I do NOT think that expertise or background is proof that someone is correct so I invite anyone and everyone who is interested to look into this yourself. I just mention it because I know I will likely be asked.

    This...is why science is great. People who will ask to be proved wrong instead of just accepting ideas as they are. Thank you for that curiosity sir.
  • IEatVeg
    IEatVeg Posts: 38 Member
    I ended up in the hospital several times before my doctors figured out that aspartame was making my brain swell. I have serious neurological issues and this is a VERY BAD THING for me. Obviously not everybody has a reaction to it, but for some of us, it absolutely is not safe to consume.

    I will get a migraine-like headache if I even eat one stick on Nutri-sweetened gum.

    Thanks for this post, I got sick of all the people saying "omg I'll start drinking diet Pepsi now!" I'll just stick to drinking water as I think the OP has been paid to post here ha!

  • DeguelloTex
    DeguelloTex Posts: 6,652 Member
    It's a little scary because sucralose is so much better, but it will work in a pinch.
  • snikkins
    snikkins Posts: 1,282 Member
    Ah the tin foil hats and thinly veiled personal attacks are out.

    This remains one of the best posts ever.