Have you seen FED UP - the documentary?
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So should a pediatrician not treat children if they don't have any?And for those that are talking about "parental responsibility" and don't have kids, STFU.
At this point, when you're telling people what they can and can't comment on, its time to step away from the computer. You've crossed a line right here.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and everyone has a right to debate.
Sure, but don't debate on parental responsibility if you have none. It's insulting.
Sorry, not going down the this illogical pathway. How about this... would you hire a dog trainer that has never trained an actual dog?
Did you just compare parenting to dog ownership?
The parallels between small children and dogs are quite similar so I could see the connection...
Well, would you? for some people, their dogs are part of their family. What if that dog trainer promised you that they had a fantastic education? Or they had seen a video on do training once and seen a few people walking their dogs. Yeah, you'd tell them to give you lots of advice right?
Or that surgeon promised he had seen a surgery before from a distance, but never actually did one? Yeah, would you let that guy cut open your kid?0 -
And for those that are talking about "parental responsibility" and don't have kids, STFU.
No
Sorry but having kids doesn't make you a special snowflake and automatically immune to criticism
Honestly the fact that you would even pull that card is kinda pathetic.
It's pathetic when someone who has NO IDEA on the difficulties of raising a child in this world, blames everything on only one factor - parents and not the environmental impact of the world around. Kids spend 8 hours a day in a school with public education (provided by government), eat in school cafeterias, see billboard after billboard in transport or in stores... but of course, it's absolutely 100% parental responsibility for the impact and education that these children receive -- especially about food.
And that's the cop out parents have used to get out of everything.
Sorry don't care about your sob story. Oh and If you read up I said PERSONAL AND PARENTAL responsibility.
Also I even said that it's not really the parents fault a lot of the time. Sometimes it is though.
And no you can't monitor everything. But you can't expect to control everything. I never made any assumptions like that. You have just decided to attack me because I mentioned that parental responsibility is a problem in many cases .. and it is.
You are just appealing to parenthood to get out of the fact that your argument on sugar stinks and it's not worth wasting any more time on you.
I didn't give you a sob story and you went from saying "The obvious culprit. And the one we want to ignore because we know it is the source.
Personal and Parental responsibility. " to "sometimes" and "You can't monitor....control everything". I see my point sank in.
When you are trying to shuffle your 4 year old through the grocery store and they are wailing for some junk they see at the counter that you have no intention of feeding them but it's there, it will even more.
I take responsibility for my kids. If you don't then you are the problem. My 4 year old does pretty well in grocery stores. She knows what she's allowed, which does include sweets, and funny enough her pediatrician is absolutely amazed at how fit (strong) both our daughters are. It's you, not the industry and sugar. Take responsibility.0 -
And for those that are talking about "parental responsibility" and don't have kids, STFU.
I have learned a lot on MFP and today I learned what STFU means. Now if someone would please tell me what GIF stands for I would really appreciate that. Thanks and by the way I haven't seen the documentary.0 -
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So should a pediatrician not treat children if they don't have any?And for those that are talking about "parental responsibility" and don't have kids, STFU.
At this point, when you're telling people what they can and can't comment on, its time to step away from the computer. You've crossed a line right here.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and everyone has a right to debate.
Sure, but don't debate on parental responsibility if you have none. It's insulting.
Sorry, not going down the this illogical pathway. How about this... would you hire a dog trainer that has never trained an actual dog?
Did you just compare parenting to dog ownership?
The parallels between small children and dogs are quite similar so I could see the connection...
Well, would you? for some people, their dogs are part of their family. What if that dog trainer promised you that they had a fantastic education? Or they had seen a video on do training once and seen a few people walking their dogs. Yeah, you'd tell them to give you lots of advice right?
Or that surgeon promised he had seen a surgery before from a distance, but never actually did one? Yeah, would you let that guy cut open your kid?
Well certainly parenthood is an important role. Someone truly qualified for it should have their opinion respected. The thing of it is. That you don't need to be qualified to become a parent. Hence the age old Dilemma. And the slew of people acting like they are an authority just because they managed to successfully use their bodies reproductive function.
So therefore I don't respect anyone's opinion JUST because they are a parent. They have to earn that respect the normal way. And anyone who thinks that they should have respect JUST because of their circumstance of parenthood has none of mine. Deal with it.0 -
wow this thread does not disappoint...
Where's Joanne in all this?0 -
wow this thread does not disappoint...
Where's Joanne in all this?
Ya just had to say it did'nt ya ?0 -
wow this thread does not disappoint...
Where's Joanne in all this?
Ya just had to say it did'nt ya ?
The word "sugar" has already been said at least three times. She'll be here eventually0 -
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And for those that are talking about "parental responsibility" and don't have kids, STFU.
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Sorry but having kids doesn't make you a special snowflake and automatically immune to criticism
Honestly the fact that you would even pull that card is kinda pathetic.
It's pathetic when someone who has NO IDEA on the difficulties of raising a child in this world, blames everything on only one factor - parents and not the environmental impact of the world around. Kids spend 8 hours a day in a school with public education (provided by government), eat in school cafeterias, see billboard after billboard in transport or in stores... but of course, it's absolutely 100% parental responsibility for the impact and education that these children receive -- especially about food.
And that's the cop out parents have used to get out of everything.
Sorry don't care about your sob story. Oh and If you read up I said PERSONAL AND PARENTAL responsibility.
Also I even said that it's not really the parents fault a lot of the time. Sometimes it is though.
And no you can't monitor everything. But you can't expect to control everything. I never made any assumptions like that. You have just decided to attack me because I mentioned that parental responsibility is a problem in many cases .. and it is.
You are just appealing to parenthood to get out of the fact that your argument on sugar stinks and it's not worth wasting any more time on you.
I didn't give you a sob story and you went from saying "The obvious culprit. And the one we want to ignore because we know it is the source.
Personal and Parental responsibility. " to "sometimes" and "You can't monitor....control everything". I see my point sank in.
When you are trying to shuffle your 4 year old through the grocery store and they are wailing for some junk they see at the counter that you have no intention of feeding them but it's there, it will even more.
I take responsibility for my kids. If you don't then you are the problem. My 4 year old does pretty well in grocery stores. She knows what she's allowed, which does include sweets, and funny enough her pediatrician is absolutely amazed at how fit (strong) both our daughters are. It's you, not the industry and sugar. Take responsibility.
Wait until your kids are teenagers and those perfect parent/ perfect child living in a bubble ideals roll away. Great parents can still end of with kids who make bad choices -- why? because they have other sources of influence their whole lives. You may set a good foundation but they will eventually make friends, have boyfriends/girlfriends, read books...0 -
And for those that are talking about "parental responsibility" and don't have kids, STFU.
No
Sorry but having kids doesn't make you a special snowflake and automatically immune to criticism
Honestly the fact that you would even pull that card is kinda pathetic.
It's pathetic when someone who has NO IDEA on the difficulties of raising a child in this world, blames everything on only one factor - parents and not the environmental impact of the world around. Kids spend 8 hours a day in a school with public education (provided by government), eat in school cafeterias, see billboard after billboard in transport or in stores... but of course, it's absolutely 100% parental responsibility for the impact and education that these children receive -- especially about food.
And that's the cop out parents have used to get out of everything.
Sorry don't care about your sob story. Oh and If you read up I said PERSONAL AND PARENTAL responsibility.
Also I even said that it's not really the parents fault a lot of the time. Sometimes it is though.
And no you can't monitor everything. But you can't expect to control everything. I never made any assumptions like that. You have just decided to attack me because I mentioned that parental responsibility is a problem in many cases .. and it is.
You are just appealing to parenthood to get out of the fact that your argument on sugar stinks and it's not worth wasting any more time on you.
I didn't give you a sob story and you went from saying "The obvious culprit. And the one we want to ignore because we know it is the source.
Personal and Parental responsibility. " to "sometimes" and "You can't monitor....control everything". I see my point sank in.
When you are trying to shuffle your 4 year old through the grocery store and they are wailing for some junk they see at the counter that you have no intention of feeding them but it's there, it will even more.
I take responsibility for my kids. If you don't then you are the problem. My 4 year old does pretty well in grocery stores. She knows what she's allowed, which does include sweets, and funny enough her pediatrician is absolutely amazed at how fit (strong) both our daughters are. It's you, not the industry and sugar. Take responsibility.
Wait until your kids are teenagers and those perfect parent/ perfect child living in a bubble ideals roll away. Great parents can still end of with kids who make bad choices -- why? because they have other sources of influence their whole lives. You may set a good foundation but they will eventually make friends, have boyfriends/girlfriends, read books...
No one is disputing that. But he will have given them the start and the example that a parent should. That is parental responsibility. Obviously that doesn't extend their whole lives. Their own personal responsibility comes into play then. Hence Parental and Personal responsibility.0 -
Wait until your kids are teenagers and those perfect parent/ perfect child living in a bubble ideals roll away. Great parents can still end of with kids who make bad choices -- why? because they have other sources of influence their whole lives. You may set a good foundation but they will eventually make friends, have boyfriends/girlfriends, read books...
Ah, ah, ah. Your child is four years old so therefore, according to your rules, you are not allowed to comment on what a teenager will and will not do. You are not qualified.0 -
Wow!! Just seen the trailer for it, definitely adding that to my must see movie list!! Thanks!!0
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And for those that are talking about "parental responsibility" and don't have kids, STFU.
I have learned a lot on MFP and today I learned what STFU means. Now if someone would please tell me what GIF stands for I would really appreciate that. Thanks and by the way I haven't seen the documentary.
STFU = Southern Tenant Farmers Union, Yep Just looked that up. :drinker:0 -
And for those that are talking about "parental responsibility" and don't have kids, STFU.
No
Sorry but having kids doesn't make you a special snowflake and automatically immune to criticism
Honestly the fact that you would even pull that card is kinda pathetic.
It's pathetic when someone who has NO IDEA on the difficulties of raising a child in this world, blames everything on only one factor - parents and not the environmental impact of the world around. Kids spend 8 hours a day in a school with public education (provided by government), eat in school cafeterias, see billboard after billboard in transport or in stores... but of course, it's absolutely 100% parental responsibility for the impact and education that these children receive -- especially about food.
And that's the cop out parents have used to get out of everything.
Sorry don't care about your sob story. Oh and If you read up I said PERSONAL AND PARENTAL responsibility.
Also I even said that it's not really the parents fault a lot of the time. Sometimes it is though.
And no you can't monitor everything. But you can't expect to control everything. I never made any assumptions like that. You have just decided to attack me because I mentioned that parental responsibility is a problem in many cases .. and it is.
You are just appealing to parenthood to get out of the fact that your argument on sugar stinks and it's not worth wasting any more time on you.
I didn't give you a sob story and you went from saying "The obvious culprit. And the one we want to ignore because we know it is the source.
Personal and Parental responsibility. " to "sometimes" and "You can't monitor....control everything". I see my point sank in.
When you are trying to shuffle your 4 year old through the grocery store and they are wailing for some junk they see at the counter that you have no intention of feeding them but it's there, it will even more.
I take responsibility for my kids. If you don't then you are the problem. My 4 year old does pretty well in grocery stores. She knows what she's allowed, which does include sweets, and funny enough her pediatrician is absolutely amazed at how fit (strong) both our daughters are. It's you, not the industry and sugar. Take responsibility.
Wait until your kids are teenagers and those perfect parent/ perfect child living in a bubble ideals roll away. Great parents can still end of with kids who make bad choices -- why? because they have other sources of influence their whole lives. You may set a good foundation but they will eventually make friends, have boyfriends/girlfriends, read books...
That's what failures say about everything. It's not my fault. I can't control. Of course you don't have 100% control, but the absolute most important influence on any child is his/her parents, and if you're already making excuses with a 4 year old, all I can say is best of luck.0 -
RHachicho why do you keep editing your responses after posting? I can't keep up with your revisions.0
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And all the while as we throw the blame on fat sugar carbs and cholesterol. We ignore the elephant in the room. The obvious culprit. And the one we want to ignore because we know it is the source.
Personal and Parental responsibility.
And you suggest that most parents feeding their kids crap are willingly poisoning their kids? Of course not! The reality is that parents are often misinformed through all the government campaigning, marketing etc that craftily presents those foods as good choices for their family and downplays the negative health impacts of foods like sugar.
There are even privileged and, I'll assumed, highly educated people on this thread defending white sugar because they don't have all the facts! Some of them call others "tin foil" hat wearers to try to quickly discredit anyone even questioning that. Meanwhile, sugar companies are laughing all the way to the bank.
That's why I call these companies culpable as much as the individual.
You have left out the possibility that people here, and I'll openly label myself as in this group, are "defending" white sugar because we're privileged, highly educated, and do have all the facts.
Aye most of the anti sugar ranting eventually comes down to .. you just don't know any better. Not like me. Yeah it's true a diet of pure sugar is probably bad for you. But it doesn't have to be restricted any more than your carb intake does. Sugar is a carb. And in the end our entire metabolism runs on sugar. That's why it's such fast energy as your body doesn't have to do much to process it into fuel. Fat that you eat becomes sugar. Protein that you eat becomes sugar. If sugar where SO bad for us we would all be dead.
And most of us will be dead -- of a preventable disease caused by poor nutrition. Sad in our "enlightened" world.
100% of all people die.0 -
And for those that are talking about "parental responsibility" and don't have kids, STFU.
No
Sorry but having kids doesn't make you a special snowflake and automatically immune to criticism
Honestly the fact that you would even pull that card is kinda pathetic.
It's pathetic when someone who has NO IDEA on the difficulties of raising a child in this world, blames everything on only one factor - parents and not the environmental impact of the world around. Kids spend 8 hours a day in a school with public education (provided by government), eat in school cafeterias, see billboard after billboard in transport or in stores... but of course, it's absolutely 100% parental responsibility for the impact and education that these children receive -- especially about food.
And that's the cop out parents have used to get out of everything.
Sorry don't care about your sob story. Oh and If you read up I said PERSONAL AND PARENTAL responsibility.
Also I even said that it's not really the parents fault a lot of the time. Sometimes it is though.
And no you can't monitor everything. But you can't expect to control everything. I never made any assumptions like that. You have just decided to attack me because I mentioned that parental responsibility is a problem in many cases .. and it is.
You are just appealing to parenthood to get out of the fact that your argument on sugar stinks and it's not worth wasting any more time on you.
I didn't give you a sob story and you went from saying "The obvious culprit. And the one we want to ignore because we know it is the source.
Personal and Parental responsibility. " to "sometimes" and "You can't monitor....control everything". I see my point sank in.
When you are trying to shuffle your 4 year old through the grocery store and they are wailing for some junk they see at the counter that you have no intention of feeding them but it's there, it will even more.
I take responsibility for my kids. If you don't then you are the problem. My 4 year old does pretty well in grocery stores. She knows what she's allowed, which does include sweets, and funny enough her pediatrician is absolutely amazed at how fit (strong) both our daughters are. It's you, not the industry and sugar. Take responsibility.
Wait until your kids are teenagers and those perfect parent/ perfect child living in a bubble ideals roll away. Great parents can still end of with kids who make bad choices -- why? because they have other sources of influence their whole lives. You may set a good foundation but they will eventually make friends, have boyfriends/girlfriends, read books...
That's what failures say about everything. It's not my fault. I can't control. Of course you don't have 100% control, but the absolute most important influence on any child is his/her parents, and if you're already making excuses with a 4 year old, all I can say is best of luck.
Not an excuse but I can say that my 4 year old is not a robot isolated in a bubble, with a personality that only I can control. A child's will is not simply built by parent.0 -
And all the while as we throw the blame on fat sugar carbs and cholesterol. We ignore the elephant in the room. The obvious culprit. And the one we want to ignore because we know it is the source.
Personal and Parental responsibility.
And you suggest that most parents feeding their kids crap are willingly poisoning their kids? Of course not! The reality is that parents are often misinformed through all the government campaigning, marketing etc that craftily presents those foods as good choices for their family and downplays the negative health impacts of foods like sugar.
There are even privileged and, I'll assumed, highly educated people on this thread defending white sugar because they don't have all the facts! Some of them call others "tin foil" hat wearers to try to quickly discredit anyone even questioning that. Meanwhile, sugar companies are laughing all the way to the bank.
That's why I call these companies culpable as much as the individual.
You have left out the possibility that people here, and I'll openly label myself as in this group, are "defending" white sugar because we're privileged, highly educated, and do have all the facts.
Aye most of the anti sugar ranting eventually comes down to .. you just don't know any better. Not like me. Yeah it's true a diet of pure sugar is probably bad for you. But it doesn't have to be restricted any more than your carb intake does. Sugar is a carb. And in the end our entire metabolism runs on sugar. That's why it's such fast energy as your body doesn't have to do much to process it into fuel. Fat that you eat becomes sugar. Protein that you eat becomes sugar. If sugar where SO bad for us we would all be dead.
And most of us will be dead -- of a preventable disease caused by poor nutrition. Sad in our "enlightened" world.
100% of all people die.
Really? I thought it was more like 95%.
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And for those that are talking about "parental responsibility" and don't have kids, STFU.
No
Sorry but having kids doesn't make you a special snowflake and automatically immune to criticism
Honestly the fact that you would even pull that card is kinda pathetic.
It's pathetic when someone who has NO IDEA on the difficulties of raising a child in this world, blames everything on only one factor - parents and not the environmental impact of the world around. Kids spend 8 hours a day in a school with public education (provided by government), eat in school cafeterias, see billboard after billboard in transport or in stores... but of course, it's absolutely 100% parental responsibility for the impact and education that these children receive -- especially about food.
And that's the cop out parents have used to get out of everything.
Sorry don't care about your sob story. Oh and If you read up I said PERSONAL AND PARENTAL responsibility.
Also I even said that it's not really the parents fault a lot of the time. Sometimes it is though.
And no you can't monitor everything. But you can't expect to control everything. I never made any assumptions like that. You have just decided to attack me because I mentioned that parental responsibility is a problem in many cases .. and it is.
You are just appealing to parenthood to get out of the fact that your argument on sugar stinks and it's not worth wasting any more time on you.
I didn't give you a sob story and you went from saying "The obvious culprit. And the one we want to ignore because we know it is the source.
Personal and Parental responsibility. " to "sometimes" and "You can't monitor....control everything". I see my point sank in.
When you are trying to shuffle your 4 year old through the grocery store and they are wailing for some junk they see at the counter that you have no intention of feeding them but it's there, it will even more.
I take responsibility for my kids. If you don't then you are the problem. My 4 year old does pretty well in grocery stores. She knows what she's allowed, which does include sweets, and funny enough her pediatrician is absolutely amazed at how fit (strong) both our daughters are. It's you, not the industry and sugar. Take responsibility.
Wait until your kids are teenagers and those perfect parent/ perfect child living in a bubble ideals roll away. Great parents can still end of with kids who make bad choices -- why? because they have other sources of influence their whole lives. You may set a good foundation but they will eventually make friends, have boyfriends/girlfriends, read books...
That's what failures say about everything. It's not my fault. I can't control. Of course you don't have 100% control, but the absolute most important influence on any child is his/her parents, and if you're already making excuses with a 4 year old, all I can say is best of luck.
Not an excuse but I can say that my 4 year old is not a robot isolated in a bubble, with a personality that only I can control. A child's will is not simply built by parent.
Didn't you blame the government for your four year old throwing tantrums at the grocery store?0 -
Wait until your kids are teenagers and those perfect parent/ perfect child living in a bubble ideals roll away. Great parents can still end of with kids who make bad choices -- why? because they have other sources of influence their whole lives. You may set a good foundation but they will eventually make friends, have boyfriends/girlfriends, read books...
Ah, ah, ah. Your child is four years old so therefore, according to your rules, you are not allowed to comment on what a teenager will and will not do. You are not qualified.
Really? If you only knew who has lived in my house!0 -
And for those that are talking about "parental responsibility" and don't have kids, STFU.
No
Sorry but having kids doesn't make you a special snowflake and automatically immune to criticism
Honestly the fact that you would even pull that card is kinda pathetic.
It's pathetic when someone who has NO IDEA on the difficulties of raising a child in this world, blames everything on only one factor - parents and not the environmental impact of the world around. Kids spend 8 hours a day in a school with public education (provided by government), eat in school cafeterias, see billboard after billboard in transport or in stores... but of course, it's absolutely 100% parental responsibility for the impact and education that these children receive -- especially about food.
And that's the cop out parents have used to get out of everything.
Sorry don't care about your sob story. Oh and If you read up I said PERSONAL AND PARENTAL responsibility.
Also I even said that it's not really the parents fault a lot of the time. Sometimes it is though.
And no you can't monitor everything. But you can't expect to control everything. I never made any assumptions like that. You have just decided to attack me because I mentioned that parental responsibility is a problem in many cases .. and it is.
You are just appealing to parenthood to get out of the fact that your argument on sugar stinks and it's not worth wasting any more time on you.
I didn't give you a sob story and you went from saying "The obvious culprit. And the one we want to ignore because we know it is the source.
Personal and Parental responsibility. " to "sometimes" and "You can't monitor....control everything". I see my point sank in.
When you are trying to shuffle your 4 year old through the grocery store and they are wailing for some junk they see at the counter that you have no intention of feeding them but it's there, it will even more.
I take responsibility for my kids. If you don't then you are the problem. My 4 year old does pretty well in grocery stores. She knows what she's allowed, which does include sweets, and funny enough her pediatrician is absolutely amazed at how fit (strong) both our daughters are. It's you, not the industry and sugar. Take responsibility.
Wait until your kids are teenagers and those perfect parent/ perfect child living in a bubble ideals roll away. Great parents can still end of with kids who make bad choices -- why? because they have other sources of influence their whole lives. You may set a good foundation but they will eventually make friends, have boyfriends/girlfriends, read books...
That's what failures say about everything. It's not my fault. I can't control. Of course you don't have 100% control, but the absolute most important influence on any child is his/her parents, and if you're already making excuses with a 4 year old, all I can say is best of luck.
Not an excuse but I can say that my 4 year old is not a robot isolated in a bubble, with a personality that only I can control. A child's will is not simply built by parent.
No it's not. They're intelligent and I treat mine as future adults who can take responsibility for their actions, and learn about nutrition, athletics, and excel academically all at the same time. Set expectations high and encourage. It works. Or make excuses and blame the world around you for your children's problems.0 -
And for those that are talking about "parental responsibility" and don't have kids, STFU.
No
Sorry but having kids doesn't make you a special snowflake and automatically immune to criticism
Honestly the fact that you would even pull that card is kinda pathetic.
It's pathetic when someone who has NO IDEA on the difficulties of raising a child in this world, blames everything on only one factor - parents and not the environmental impact of the world around. Kids spend 8 hours a day in a school with public education (provided by government), eat in school cafeterias, see billboard after billboard in transport or in stores... but of course, it's absolutely 100% parental responsibility for the impact and education that these children receive -- especially about food.
And that's the cop out parents have used to get out of everything.
Sorry don't care about your sob story. Oh and If you read up I said PERSONAL AND PARENTAL responsibility.
Also I even said that it's not really the parents fault a lot of the time. Sometimes it is though.
And no you can't monitor everything. But you can't expect to control everything. I never made any assumptions like that. You have just decided to attack me because I mentioned that parental responsibility is a problem in many cases .. and it is.
You are just appealing to parenthood to get out of the fact that your argument on sugar stinks and it's not worth wasting any more time on you.
I didn't give you a sob story and you went from saying "The obvious culprit. And the one we want to ignore because we know it is the source.
Personal and Parental responsibility. " to "sometimes" and "You can't monitor....control everything". I see my point sank in.
When you are trying to shuffle your 4 year old through the grocery store and they are wailing for some junk they see at the counter that you have no intention of feeding them but it's there, it will even more.
I take responsibility for my kids. If you don't then you are the problem. My 4 year old does pretty well in grocery stores. She knows what she's allowed, which does include sweets, and funny enough her pediatrician is absolutely amazed at how fit (strong) both our daughters are. It's you, not the industry and sugar. Take responsibility.
Wait until your kids are teenagers and those perfect parent/ perfect child living in a bubble ideals roll away. Great parents can still end of with kids who make bad choices -- why? because they have other sources of influence their whole lives. You may set a good foundation but they will eventually make friends, have boyfriends/girlfriends, read books...
That's what failures say about everything. It's not my fault. I can't control. Of course you don't have 100% control, but the absolute most important influence on any child is his/her parents, and if you're already making excuses with a 4 year old, all I can say is best of luck.
Not an excuse but I can say that my 4 year old is not a robot isolated in a bubble, with a personality that only I can control. A child's will is not simply built by parent.
Didn't you blame the government for your four year old throwing tantrums at the grocery store?
No, but get pretty pissed off that the store has to surround her with every interesting treat and candy at the point of check out where we have to park the longest. It's pretty impossible for a young child not to yearn for that stuff. Wish I didn't have to expose her to that when I'm picking up my spinach.0 -
Not an excuse but I can say that my 4 year old is not a robot isolated in a bubble, with a personality that only I can control. A child's will is not simply built by parent.
Except that you freak out when she wants a treat in the grocery store. Sounds like a bubble to me.0 -
And for those that are talking about "parental responsibility" and don't have kids, STFU.
No
Sorry but having kids doesn't make you a special snowflake and automatically immune to criticism
Honestly the fact that you would even pull that card is kinda pathetic.
It's pathetic when someone who has NO IDEA on the difficulties of raising a child in this world, blames everything on only one factor - parents and not the environmental impact of the world around. Kids spend 8 hours a day in a school with public education (provided by government), eat in school cafeterias, see billboard after billboard in transport or in stores... but of course, it's absolutely 100% parental responsibility for the impact and education that these children receive -- especially about food.
And that's the cop out parents have used to get out of everything.
Sorry don't care about your sob story. Oh and If you read up I said PERSONAL AND PARENTAL responsibility.
Also I even said that it's not really the parents fault a lot of the time. Sometimes it is though.
And no you can't monitor everything. But you can't expect to control everything. I never made any assumptions like that. You have just decided to attack me because I mentioned that parental responsibility is a problem in many cases .. and it is.
You are just appealing to parenthood to get out of the fact that your argument on sugar stinks and it's not worth wasting any more time on you.
I didn't give you a sob story and you went from saying "The obvious culprit. And the one we want to ignore because we know it is the source.
Personal and Parental responsibility. " to "sometimes" and "You can't monitor....control everything". I see my point sank in.
When you are trying to shuffle your 4 year old through the grocery store and they are wailing for some junk they see at the counter that you have no intention of feeding them but it's there, it will even more.
I take responsibility for my kids. If you don't then you are the problem. My 4 year old does pretty well in grocery stores. She knows what she's allowed, which does include sweets, and funny enough her pediatrician is absolutely amazed at how fit (strong) both our daughters are. It's you, not the industry and sugar. Take responsibility.
Wait until your kids are teenagers and those perfect parent/ perfect child living in a bubble ideals roll away. Great parents can still end of with kids who make bad choices -- why? because they have other sources of influence their whole lives. You may set a good foundation but they will eventually make friends, have boyfriends/girlfriends, read books...
That's what failures say about everything. It's not my fault. I can't control. Of course you don't have 100% control, but the absolute most important influence on any child is his/her parents, and if you're already making excuses with a 4 year old, all I can say is best of luck.
Not an excuse but I can say that my 4 year old is not a robot isolated in a bubble, with a personality that only I can control. A child's will is not simply built by parent.
Didn't you blame the government for your four year old throwing tantrums at the grocery store?
No, but get pretty pissed off that the store has to surround her with every interesting treat and candy at the point of check out where we have to park the longest. It's pretty impossible for a young child not to yearn for that stuff. Wish I didn't have to expose her to that when I'm picking up my spinach.
Sounds like an excuse to me. Funny how I know plenty of kids at that age who can behave in stores. Not always, of course, but the vast majority of the time. It's interesting that you refuse to take responsibility.0 -
And for those that are talking about "parental responsibility" and don't have kids, STFU.
No
Sorry but having kids doesn't make you a special snowflake and automatically immune to criticism
Honestly the fact that you would even pull that card is kinda pathetic.
It's pathetic when someone who has NO IDEA on the difficulties of raising a child in this world, blames everything on only one factor - parents and not the environmental impact of the world around. Kids spend 8 hours a day in a school with public education (provided by government), eat in school cafeterias, see billboard after billboard in transport or in stores... but of course, it's absolutely 100% parental responsibility for the impact and education that these children receive -- especially about food.
And that's the cop out parents have used to get out of everything.
Sorry don't care about your sob story. Oh and If you read up I said PERSONAL AND PARENTAL responsibility.
Also I even said that it's not really the parents fault a lot of the time. Sometimes it is though.
And no you can't monitor everything. But you can't expect to control everything. I never made any assumptions like that. You have just decided to attack me because I mentioned that parental responsibility is a problem in many cases .. and it is.
You are just appealing to parenthood to get out of the fact that your argument on sugar stinks and it's not worth wasting any more time on you.
I didn't give you a sob story and you went from saying "The obvious culprit. And the one we want to ignore because we know it is the source.
Personal and Parental responsibility. " to "sometimes" and "You can't monitor....control everything". I see my point sank in.
When you are trying to shuffle your 4 year old through the grocery store and they are wailing for some junk they see at the counter that you have no intention of feeding them but it's there, it will even more.
Sounds like someone needs to woman up and say no to her kid more often. My 3 year old even knows that we don't buy all the snacks she would like. She doesn't even ask for them. Who the frak cares if your kid is wailing for snacks. It doesn't mean you have to get them. My 3 year old get to pick out a cereal and a snack and as many fruits and vegetables as she wants. She is still one of the healthiest and smallest kid in her class. Children need to learn balance and moderation from a young age. When that happens then the sparkly packaging and wonderous advertisements won't be so enticing. Either that or my little one is a special snowflake and I'm a perfect mom.0 -
RHachicho why do you keep editing your responses after posting? I can't keep up with your revisions.
Yeah it's a bad habit. Sometimes I post and then I think of a better way to explain my point and so edit. I do it a lot and I do apologize for that. In all fairness though I don't change my point I just explain it better. However you would probably have an easier time of it if you actually took the time to read my posts thoroughly rather than scanning them finding something you don't like and replying immediately.0 -
And for those that are talking about "parental responsibility" and don't have kids, STFU.
No
Sorry but having kids doesn't make you a special snowflake and automatically immune to criticism
Honestly the fact that you would even pull that card is kinda pathetic.
It's pathetic when someone who has NO IDEA on the difficulties of raising a child in this world, blames everything on only one factor - parents and not the environmental impact of the world around. Kids spend 8 hours a day in a school with public education (provided by government), eat in school cafeterias, see billboard after billboard in transport or in stores... but of course, it's absolutely 100% parental responsibility for the impact and education that these children receive -- especially about food.
And that's the cop out parents have used to get out of everything.
Sorry don't care about your sob story. Oh and If you read up I said PERSONAL AND PARENTAL responsibility.
Also I even said that it's not really the parents fault a lot of the time. Sometimes it is though.
And no you can't monitor everything. But you can't expect to control everything. I never made any assumptions like that. You have just decided to attack me because I mentioned that parental responsibility is a problem in many cases .. and it is.
You are just appealing to parenthood to get out of the fact that your argument on sugar stinks and it's not worth wasting any more time on you.
I didn't give you a sob story and you went from saying "The obvious culprit. And the one we want to ignore because we know it is the source.
Personal and Parental responsibility. " to "sometimes" and "You can't monitor....control everything". I see my point sank in.
When you are trying to shuffle your 4 year old through the grocery store and they are wailing for some junk they see at the counter that you have no intention of feeding them but it's there, it will even more.
I take responsibility for my kids. If you don't then you are the problem. My 4 year old does pretty well in grocery stores. She knows what she's allowed, which does include sweets, and funny enough her pediatrician is absolutely amazed at how fit (strong) both our daughters are. It's you, not the industry and sugar. Take responsibility.
Wait until your kids are teenagers and those perfect parent/ perfect child living in a bubble ideals roll away. Great parents can still end of with kids who make bad choices -- why? because they have other sources of influence their whole lives. You may set a good foundation but they will eventually make friends, have boyfriends/girlfriends, read books...
That's what failures say about everything. It's not my fault. I can't control. Of course you don't have 100% control, but the absolute most important influence on any child is his/her parents, and if you're already making excuses with a 4 year old, all I can say is best of luck.
Not an excuse but I can say that my 4 year old is not a robot isolated in a bubble, with a personality that only I can control. A child's will is not simply built by parent.
No it's not. They're intelligent and I treat mine as future adults who can take responsibility for their actions, and learn about nutrition, athletics, and excel academically all at the same time. Set expectations high and encourage. It works. Or make excuses and blame the world around you for your children's problems.
Of course, encouragement is amazing and can really help a child grow and do well. The reality is though, great children and great parents will still have to face failures, mistakes, wrong decision making. Ideally, our children would be perfect and have a perfect environment. Poor people would easily climb social ladders through achievement on their own merits, hard workers would make the most money, the nicest would have the best relationships... etc.0
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