The Starvation Mode Myth...again.
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HelenWater wrote: »I read a study that said Biggest Loser contestants did indeed lower their metabolisms for the long term even though they did retain some muscle because of the weight training.
They did have a reduction in metabolic rate but not as bad as that paper made out and certainly not enough to prevent them losing weight - their TDEEs were over 3000 from memory.0 -
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You didn't get what I was trying to say. Instead of simply replying to the "original post" they click on quote and then reply underneath. I'm not talking about quoting someone else who has added some information.
But again, I post what is on my mind and I get what I deserve....
oh ok I see what you mean.
I do it sometimes though - helps to have OP post there if you are adressing specific points in it.
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Yeah "Steve" you still don't seem to get that you have no credibility, and that no one is taking you even the slightest bit seriously. You're using someone else's picture, we have no idea what you look like, and you have absolutely no qualifications to be giving advice to other people. You read one textbook, and apparently that was a huge feat for you because you feel the need to tell everyone constantly. So, good for you, you read a textbook, I've read lots of them lol and I'm sure so have many people here.0
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And saying things like "point, set, match" just makes you sound like you're trying too hard to seem smarter than you are.0
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Yeah I still don't quite get how calling someone a "fitness guy" is supposed to be insulting either, lol maybe he's hoping we'll start calling him "textbook guy" in retaliation0
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Good thing everyone knows not to listen to anything you say or they might be in trouble lol0
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An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a form of criticism directed at something about the person one is criticizing, rather than something (potentially, at least) independent of that person. When used inappropriately, it is a fallacy in which a claim or argument is dismissed on the basis of some irrelevant fact or supposition about the author or the person being criticized.[2] Ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, for example, when it relates to the credibility of statements of fact or when used in certain kinds of moral and practical reasoning.[3]0
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No comment, except to say that most of the time people are told to eat more it's because they say they are hungry all the time and have low energy. Your body does need fuel, and I'm sorry, but I will never agree that eating less than 1200 calories per day is healthy even if you say there is no such thing as starvation mode. If someone comes on here and says they are eating 1200 calories and are hungry all the time still, I am going to recommend they adjust their goals and subsequently raise their calories. Making a lifestyle change should not equate to being completely miserable, and eating too few calories CAN effect your body in a negative way.1
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Meaning, if a person has no credibility and has repeatedly proven themselves to be ignorant, then to point out that they're ignorant and have no credibility and therefore their opinion should not be listened to is perfectly valid.-3
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So naturally you should be happy to show us a picture of your success, right? Since you've got it all figured out.-2
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I think it's fake, I have eaten less than 1200 for periods of time , many times and I have lost fine! And if it's true, than why are the starving kids in Africa so skinny!0
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Oh, Steve.
In your attempt to Gish-gallop around the topic it seems that you forgot the context of the original post on leptin.midwesterner85 wrote: »It could be a decrease in leptin at that level of food intake
To which you replied.The whole leptin thing has been pretty much debunked.
But according to your own source:
"In mice or humans with mutations that render their
fat cells unable to produce leptin or mutations that
cause defective leptin receptors in the hypothalamus,
marked hyperphagia and morbid obesity occur.
So much for leptin being "debunked".
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@FunkyTobias Good catch on the hypothalamus issue. I do have Hashimoto's, though I'm taking levothyroxine to manage it... I wonder if my dose should change at lower calorie intake. I'll have to look into that.0
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Interesting discussion...
I never liked the term "starvation mode". People have a difficult time expressing the notion of metabolism slow-down due to increased calorie reduction. I have seen too many fail. because they start out a very low calorie diet that can eventually stifle metabolism.
Nobody following MFP recommendations need ever worry about "starvation mode". And to all those on some crazy, overly restrictive diet: good luck in that race.
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I knew it didn't happen overnight. It took awhile. I personally could not read all of that, too much to read.0
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I've been in starvation mode all morning.0
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So naturally you should be happy to show us a picture of your success, right? Since you've got it all figured out.FunkyTobias wrote: »Oh, Steve.
In your attempt to Gish-gallop around the topic it seems that you forgot the context of the original post on leptin.midwesterner85 wrote: »It could be a decrease in leptin at that level of food intake
To which you replied.The whole leptin thing has been pretty much debunked.
But according to your own source:
"In mice or humans with mutations that render their
fat cells unable to produce leptin or mutations that
cause defective leptin receptors in the hypothalamus,
marked hyperphagia and morbid obesity occur.
So much for leptin being "debunked".
rat studies don't count.
Lol. I guess you missed the word "human"
You should learn to quit while you're behind.
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Leptin is not a dominant factor in the obese. Didn't you read what I excerpted?
If it was, Big Pharm would be stumbling all over themselves to make an analogue pill and cure obesity forever.
Shouldn't you guys be doing push-ups or something?
And M27, you never got back to me about Guyton;s and all your doctor friends. What do they think about it?
I still want to know are you Sebastion Johnson or are you just using his image? You've never answered this
http://www.imperial.ac.uk/AP/faces/pages/read/Home.jsp?person=s.johnston&_adf.ctrl-state=14qgpr7ir8_3&_afrRedirect=27160331290305200 -
Why was I quoted, I never said anything about leptin lol. I'm still waiting to see a picture of you though "Steve", since you must be super fit and healthy right?0
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Leptin is not a dominant factor in the obese. Didn't you read what I excerpted?
Did you?If it was, Big Pharm would be stumbling all over themselves to make an analogue pill and cure obesity forever.
You seem to be confusing the statement that leptin deficiency can lead to obesity with "excess leptin causes fat loss"
They are not logically equivalent.
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I agree with the last line in the original post by Iswanny320 that stated:
“Bottom line, you should do adequate research and dietary analysis to ensure you are getting the best nutrition you can for your calories.”
I would only add, it is probably a good idea to get feedback and guidance from your personal physician. Everyone is different. What is o.k. or healthy for one person may not be for someone else.
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What I really want to know is why does NikonPal have a ticker and mine is gone?! I thought the MFP techs decided to banish it for some reason. Oh and you have great stats NikonPal! Well done.0
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