Flu Vaccine

FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »

MKEgal wrote: »

Blacklance36 wrote:

There are people in my office that won't get one because they don't believe it in. One of them gets sick every year and then comes in to work and hacks and coughs for days making others around her ill. The rest of us detest her for it.

I think going to HR _before_ there's a problem this year is in order.
If several of you meet with your manager &/or an HR person, and ask that the company establish a policy that anyone who's coughing, or with a fever (of a certain amount... check with a doctor), stay home until they're not sick, and get a doctor's written permission to return to work, that person _might_ change her behaviour.

this was the first topic i made on MFP. someone warned me it would get ugly. so I pm'd a mod to ask for it to be deleted.

But it's not getting ugly.
This is nothing.
There are people saying they've been sensible & responsible, and there are people who don't believe in science.
Some in the first group are attempting to show the second group why their actions are wrong, dangerous, and anti-social.

I don't recall there being a direct correlation between responsibility and getting the flu shot.

The only time I will have formaldehyde anywhere in close proximity to my body (let alone IN my body) is when I am using it to preserve cadavers.

So you don't eat fruits and vegetables?

http://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/whatsnew/whatsnew_fa/files/formaldehyde.pdf

No. Have never had one and probably never will.
Side note: I've never had the flu.

Since there is scientific reasoning on both sides of the immunization debate please save your arguments for all of your friends who agree with you and you can sit around and talk about how smart you are and how dumb everyone else is.

MKEgal wrote: »

digginDeep wrote: »

But when was the last time we lost a significant percentage of the population to the flu?

Posted above:

http://www.flu.gov/pandemic/history/1918/the_pandemic/legacypendemic/
"[pandemic of 1918] An estimated 675,000 Americans were among the dead.
All of these deaths caused a severe disruption in the economy. Claims against life insurance policies skyrocketed, with one insurance company reporting a 745 percent rise in the number of claims made. Small businesses, many of which had been unable to operate during the pandemic, went bankrupt."

"Influenza vaccine was first introduced as a licensed product in the United States in 1944. Because of the rapid rate of mutation of the influenza virus, the effectiveness of a given vaccine usually lasts for only a year or two...

The pandemic which occurred in 1918-1919 was not the only influenza pandemic of the twentieth century. Influenza returned in a pandemic form in 1957-1958 and, again, in 1968-1969.

These two later pandemics were much less severe than the 1918-1919 pandemic. Estimated deaths within the United States for these two later pandemics were 70,000 excess deaths (1957-1958) and 33,000 excess deaths (1968-1967)."

So... pandemic before the flu vaccine existed, 675K dead.
Pandemics after the flu vaccine was created, 70K (90% less) & 33K (95% less) dead.

Mortality rate has gone down too.
2011 - 312 million population, 54K deaths, 0.02% died
1968 - 200.7 million, 33K, 0.02%
1957 - 172 million, 70K, 0.04%
1918 - 103 million, 675K dead 0.66%
http://www.multpl.com/united-states-population/table

One could also take from this that in addition to vaccines we as a whole have learned a lot about preventative steps with diseases. It's hard to really use 1918 as a standard. We have advanced in so many ways as a society not just from vaccination.

I'd love to see a study of illness before and after the introduction of antibacterial hand soap.

I'm going to botch this up but I read an article one time about the mortality rate of babies in a hospital in Germany (i think) that was so high that women opted to have babies at home or in the streets to avoid it. The doctors finally figured out that if they washed their hands after leaving the morgue the mortality rate of new borns when down some crazy number. That's right, they just figured out they needed to wash their hands.

Feel free to google a million articles on why vaccines are soooooo great, but you're overlooking the other side of the debate that will tell you scientifically why they aren't soooo great.

You can argue that it's "good for society" if everyone gets vaccinated. Well i can argue it's good for society of men/women who have a proclivity to sex with children should be able to legally have a doctor euthanize them but then you would be screaming "REHABILITATION" is the way to go until it's your kid.

Go get a vaccine or don't. If a strain of flu rips through the world and kills of 50% of us then it's meant to me. I mean, we all have to die of something right?

This is going so well. I'm glad you all were available to correct me.

I haven't gotten a flu shot in years, but have decided to this year. I started a new job and have been getting sick a lot. I work as a public defender and am in the court room a lot. I encounter people who are sick a lot. I already got strep throat this month, so I don't want to risk the flu.

digginDeep wrote: »

MyChocolateDiet wrote: »

This is going so well. I'm glad you all were available to correct me.

I think this is a fairly cogent discussion about vaccination, pandemics, autism, and the Illuminati, don't you?

obviously

yes, i did. work requires either that, or wearing an n95 respirator on the ambulance.

What's ironic here is flu presents with the same symptoms as ebola... dallas isn't that far. lol

I never do.