Thermogenics... what? and how? yes or no?

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Here is a resource from my local running store.

http://www.bigpeachrunningco.com/pal/big-peach-u/dont-be-fuelish

I googled/found a 12 week program online. Then modified it LOL. I had 16 weeks til the Feb 8th half so repeated some weeks to push it out. I've worked here & there on running but nothing consistent. I can sometimes go 1-1.5 miles at 5.0mph or so. But sometimes I feel wiped after a few minutes. (Which tells me a) it may be mental or b) it may depend on how/when I've eaten for the day, what else I've done that day, etc.)

I came across a theory of 1 walk/2 run and so started with that last week. My run days are Tue-Wed-Thur-Sat with 'long' run on Sun and off on Mon/Fri. Last week was 3-3-3-3-4. And this week miles are 3-4-3-3-4. Next week my long run will push out to 5.

Last night I did 1 min walk (4.0mph) and 3 min runs (5.0mph). Mentally, knowing I only 'need' to run for 2-3 minutes seems to help. Here & there I'll push a run out though for an extra minute or two, or skip a walk.

http://www.halfmarathons.net/half-marathon-training-schedule-for-beginning-runners/

I just repeated a few weeks to push it out. The schedule off days are perfect for me. I have class on Monday nights & work 2 jobs on Fridays, so those days I'm typically out of the house from 6:30am-10pm. Can be adjusted of course. There is a link there to a 16 week program w/ 3 off days. But I like this schedule.

Thermogenics means drugs. They work. Once you're off the weight comes back on. Then you say one more time. Then, because the most effective ones are semi-addictive stimulants, you end up addicted. Simple?

Which part is nonsense? The part that's fact?

Caffeine, ephedrine, amphetamine. Kill appetite, give you loads of energy increase your metabolic rate. Once you're off the same effects... in reverse.

Seeing as how ephedrine is illegal and amphetamine requires a prescription for attention problems or narcolepsy, I don't think those two could be in the product. I'd venture caffeine is in there just because it's in virtually every energy boost supplement and accounts for most 'non-placebo' effects. Caffeine is a drug, a mild one at that. High doses will wear you out in no time. Besides, smilar drugs - that is, drugs which increase energy - are invariably stimulants. You can argue this all day, but reality is unless you're a competitive athlete it doesn't make whole lot of sense using pre-workout supplements' You can get a good energy boost by eating a piece of fruit with little bit of protein and oatmeal.

TavistockToad wrote: »

SWEETMAY84 wrote: »

Just recently I started to run faster, my goal is to reach the "12 minute mile", my husband is a cross country runner, and he can run a mile in 6 to 8 minutes lol! I should probably go back to walk/jog for a little longer, because it seems like every mile, on the dot, I need a little break!

what program are you following?

one thing i realised is that running is 99.99% mental... you are telling yourself you've done a mile so you need a break, so you stop...

work at doing 2 miles at 13 minute mile pace without stopping... then go back to 12 minute miles

I think this why following a plan like the ones Hal Higdon has on his site work well for a lot of people. That long run is much longer than the shorter runs, and once you've done a 6 mile run, the 3's and 4's don't seem difficult - even if you're pushing your pace. I mean, come on, it's half the distance, amirite?

Oh, and to the other topic, when I took a pharm class many moons ago, caffeine was absolutely classified as a drug.

MrM27 wrote: »

philosophersnark wrote: »

Seeing as how ephedrine is illegal and amphetamine requires a prescription for attention problems or narcolepsy, I don't think those two could be in the product. I'd venture caffeine is in there just because it's in virtually every energy boost supplement and accounts for most 'non-placebo' effects. Caffeine is a drug, a mild one at that. High doses will wear you out in no time. Besides, smilar drugs - that is, drugs which increase energy - are invariably stimulants. You can argue this all day, but reality is unless you're a competitive athlete it doesn't make whole lot of sense using pre-workout supplements' You can get a good energy boost by eating a piece of fruit with little bit of protein and oatmeal.

You avoided every single question I asked you. How about you go back and do that.
You now say drugs that increase energy are stimulants but you don't even say what drugs are in the product.

Why keep mentioning ephedrine and amphetamines if it's not even in the product?

Why isn't caffeine banned if it's a drug?

Not sure what you're arguing here. Caffeine is a drug just like alcohol or ASA. Neither are illegal.

philosophersnark wrote: »

Caffeine, ephedrine, amphetamine. Kill appetite, give you loads of energy increase your metabolic rate. Once you're off the same effects... in reverse.

Caffeine isn't in the same class of drug as ephedrine and amphetamines, hence caffeine isn't monitored the same way. There are OTC drugs that can be bought, but as I mentioned, thermogenics AREN'T monitored by the FDA which is why they have the disclaim on them. So they are considered a supplement which isn't classed as a drug.

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philosophersnark wrote: »

Semantics man made agencies man made classifications nature endogenous exogenous..whew. Op, your sense of critical thinking is good; the 'thermogenic' probably works if there's a lot of scrutiny on it. For that matter, most of these compounds that work were made by some pharmaceutical company in a lab. If it's an obscure herb don't waste ur money. If it's a shaded gray supplement w a lot of warnings and when you look it up it was cooked up by big pharma.. he'll it prob works. At the same time prob not safe for you. You decide.

"Big pharma" huh? You've outed yourself.
Labs are cool.

Caffeine is, of course, a drug. So is Benadryl. So are Aleve and Motrin and Tylenol.

Bath salts are a drug, but in some states are still not considered a drug and remain legal. Hard to classify things that continually change their properties. They are the scariest drug out there right now and in some places continue to be sold in gas stations and convenience stores. Kids were showing up in the ED with permanently fried brains for YEARS before the government began to figure out that maybe something ought to be done,

As the slow-pokes worked (and continue to work all these years later) to classify and make them illegal, the guys selling them are working to sell them as energy boosters, at which point the game will begin again. Then they'll call them "decorative sand" or something else.

Do not rely on the legal/illegal status, lol. Do not rely on whether the government has figured out that something is dangerous. They aren't super-bright and are very, very slow.

If you doctor doesn't tell you to take it, don't take it.