Anyone figured out / learned that sugar is poison?
djhnd
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This is not my original thought, lots of authors have published on this subject. But - did you know there's a "Say No to Sugar" group here at MFP? Currently it has about 1100 members and I bet most of them aren't active anymore. And the last five posts in there are from me!
Soooooo ---- if sugar is a problem for you, or you're wondering if you should cut it out / cut back on it - come on and join the group!
community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/4348-say-no-to-sugar
Soooooo ---- if sugar is a problem for you, or you're wondering if you should cut it out / cut back on it - come on and join the group!
community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/4348-say-no-to-sugar
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I'll say no to arsenic and cyanide, but I don't consider sugar poison.0
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What is the lethal dosage?0
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no nah no no no
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This is not my original thought, lots of authors have published on this subject. But - did you know there's a "Say No to Sugar" group here at MFP? Currently it has about 1100 members and I bet most of them aren't active anymore. And the last five posts in there are from me!
Soooooo ---- if sugar is a problem for you, or you're wondering if you should cut it out / cut back on it - come on and join the group!
community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/4348-say-no-to-sugar
Maybe the group isn't active any more because of the fact that there isn't a need for a group any more since sugar is obviously not poison? Just a thought.0 -
Anything in excess is bad for you, but no, sugar is not a poison. Some people think salt is a poison, but if you don't get enough of it, you die. Same goes for sugar. If you remove everything from your diet with sugar in it, you will die.0
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TimothyFish wrote: »Anything in excess is bad for you, but no, sugar is not a poison. Some people think salt is a poison, but if you don't get enough of it, you die. Same goes for sugar. If you remove everything from your diet with sugar in it, you will die.
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This is funny. In for the lulz!0
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Many people believe that.
Personally, I think fruit is the best thing around. Fairly low-cal, very yummy and has nutrients.
Your body needs sugar. Sugar is so vital that if your body doesn't get it from an outside source, it will make it's own. It NEEDS sugar.
You cannot keep sugar out of your body, even if you try.
I eat my carbs. I don't slam others who don't! But if I were you, I wouldn't worry so much about eliminating sugar from the body (an exercise in futility) and would concentrate on eating healthier foods.
Unless the doctor has told you to steer clear, there is no reason to do it. It isn't poison. But if you must, then you must.0 -
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This is not my original thought, lots of authors have published on this subject. But - did you know there's a "Say No to Sugar" group here at MFP? Currently it has about 1100 members and I bet most of them aren't active anymore. And the last five posts in there are from me!
Soooooo ---- if sugar is a problem for you, or you're wondering if you should cut it out / cut back on it - come on and join the group!
community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/4348-say-no-to-sugar
My absolute favorite GIF. Thanks for the laugh.0 -
The sun will burn out in 5000 years.0
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Oh good a "sugar is evil" thread. Those always go so well. /sarcasm0
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Thank goodness I succeed in getting a reaction! Perhaps some of you will have heard of the aphorism "one man's meat is another man's poison." Perhaps some of you have heard of the idea of slow poison - not every poison is like eating an amanita mushroom.
Not everyone can eat the exact same things and get the same results. If you understand how many people actually have diabetes, and how many people are on the verge of getting it, and how many people are projected to get it, it's not as easy to dismiss the notion.
Also, timothyfish, I was referring to refined sugar. But, to your point, people can live without fruit and sweets. You could even live without carrots! If you live on kale and chicken and nuts and beans and lettuce and oats, you won't die. Not even close. And you'll have cut out all sugar.
nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/27/its-the-sugar-folks/
blogs.scientificamerican.com/brainwaves/2013/07/15/is-sugar-really-toxic-sifting-through-the-evidence/
nydailynews.com/life-style/health/white-poison-danger-sugar-beat-article-1.1605232
youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
ajcn.nutrition.org/content/86/4/899.short
care.diabetesjournals.org/content/33/11/2477.short-1 -
This is not my original thought, lots of authors have published on this subject. But - did you know there's a "Say No to Sugar" group here at MFP? Currently it has about 1100 members and I bet most of them aren't active anymore. And the last five posts in there are from me!
Soooooo ---- if sugar is a problem for you, or you're wondering if you should cut it out / cut back on it - come on and join the group!
community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/4348-say-no-to-sugar
That GIF. I'm dying. I need to start carrying stuff around like that guy does.
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In because it's Friday.0
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The dose makes the poison.
It's always been a strong selling point to try and blame obesity on a single food ingredient, or "chemical"(lol) or an entire macronutrient. It's no different with people who try to push sugar avoidance.
Moderation doesn't sell well.
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My first experience of how MFP message boards aren't that much different from any other message boards! Not exactly a place for reasoned discourse, and a place for people to give opinions bare of facts and knowledge. Ah well, that's the interwebz for you. Well, if you'd like to learn more, I've provided seven references for you. If you're a historian, look up what two time Nobel Prize winner Linus Pauling said about fructose!0
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I need the entertainment today0
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My first experience of how MFP message boards aren't that much different from any other message boards! Not exactly a place for reasoned discourse, and a place for people to give opinions bare of facts and knowledge. Ah well, that's the interwebz for you. Well, if you'd like to learn more, I've provided seven references for you. If you're a historian, look up what two time Nobel Prize winner Linus Pauling said about fructose!
I am bored but those seven links would be a waste of time to view.
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sidesteel, thank you for the second reasonable post on this thread. I agree about moderation, in general - however, I'm curious if your opinion would change after reading each of the links I've posted. It's true, a teaspoon of sugar a day won't hurt anyone. Nor will a pound a year.
However the average american eats 75 lbs of sugar per year. Average!!!! So, there goes your moderation LOL. Since I don't eat any, someone's eating a half pound of sugar a day0 -
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"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
--HERBERT SPENCER
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sidesteel, thank you for the second reasonable post on this thread. I agree about moderation, in general - however, I'm curious if your opinion would change after reading each of the links I've posted. It's true, a teaspoon of sugar a day won't hurt anyone. Nor will a pound a year.
However the average american eats 75 lbs of sugar per year. Average!!!! So, there goes your moderation LOL. Since I don't eat any, someone's eating a half pound of sugar a day
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There is sugar in almost everything. Sooooo.... Pretty sure you do eat sugar. Are you talking about table sugar? Unless you live off of meat and low carb veggies you are most certainly eating sugar. It's not a poison.0
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Oh boy, another Sugar Is The Antichrist post! I'm waiting for article about how sugar is responsible for ebola. LOL!0
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sidesteel, thank you for the second reasonable post on this thread. I agree about moderation, in general - however, I'm curious if your opinion would change after reading each of the links I've posted. It's true, a teaspoon of sugar a day won't hurt anyone. Nor will a pound a year.
However the average american eats 75 lbs of sugar per year. Average!!!! So, there goes your moderation LOL. Since I don't eat any, someone's eating a half pound of sugar a day
It depends on what question you're asking me. I've read a fair amount of studies on sugar, certainly not all of them.
I can tell you that I've yet to see data demonstrating deleterious effects of sugar in a diet where nutrient needs are met and total energy intake is kept under control. And I doubt if one exists using diets that meet these conditions.
If I understand correctly the AHA sugar recommendations (for example) are primarily based on the concern that excess sugar either causes excess energy intake which then leads to health problems and that excess sugar intake can push necessary nutrients off the table. (IIRC this one: https://circ.ahajournals.org/content/120/11/1011.full.pdf+html)
And those are both legitimate concerns.
Do I think the standard american diet probably has too much sugar? Yes, but it also has too many calories and too little nutrient dense foods.
I don't support the idea that food ingredients should be avoided and I don't support claims of foods being toxic without paying attention to dose and context.
Food avoidance and rigid dieting practices are likely far more detrimental than sugar.
If you want to form a productive group that will actually help people, then be inclusive and talk about how to form better habits and improve people's relationship with foods, and that starts by not fearing individual ingredients.
I actually think it does more harm than good to tell people that something in their food is toxic or poisonous unless: A) It actually is. and You can demonstrate the dosage and necessary context at which that occurs.
Finally, before anyone comes back with a strawman argument, I am not advocating a diet composed entirely of sugar nor am I suggesting that people just look at calories and nothing else. It's possible to "over-do" it on sugar for reasons stated previously in this post -- but the solution isn't to eliminate sugar or declare it as toxic or poisonous.
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