Anyone figured out / learned that sugar is poison?
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My first experience of how MFP message boards aren't that much different from any other message boards! Not exactly a place for reasoned discourse, and a place for people to give opinions bare of facts and knowledge. Ah well, that's the interwebz for you. Well, if you'd like to learn more, I've provided seven references for you. If you're a historian, look up what two time Nobel Prize winner Linus Pauling said about fructose!
I am bored but those seven links would be a waste of time to view.
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sidesteel, thank you for the second reasonable post on this thread. I agree about moderation, in general - however, I'm curious if your opinion would change after reading each of the links I've posted. It's true, a teaspoon of sugar a day won't hurt anyone. Nor will a pound a year.
However the average american eats 75 lbs of sugar per year. Average!!!! So, there goes your moderation LOL. Since I don't eat any, someone's eating a half pound of sugar a day0 -
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But you're advocating cutting out sugar. All we're saying is that people should eat sugar in moderation with a focus on nutrient dense foods. While most Americans may not follow this advice, that doesn't suddenly make sugar a poison.sidesteel, thank you for the second reasonable post on this thread. I agree about moderation, in general - however, I'm curious if your opinion would change after reading each of the links I've posted. It's true, a teaspoon of sugar a day won't hurt anyone. Nor will a pound a year.
However the average american eats 75 lbs of sugar per year. Average!!!! So, there goes your moderation LOL. Since I don't eat any, someone's eating a half pound of sugar a day
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There is sugar in almost everything. Sooooo.... Pretty sure you do eat sugar. Are you talking about table sugar? Unless you live off of meat and low carb veggies you are most certainly eating sugar. It's not a poison.0
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Oh boy, another Sugar Is The Antichrist post! I'm waiting for article about how sugar is responsible for ebola. LOL!0
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sidesteel, thank you for the second reasonable post on this thread. I agree about moderation, in general - however, I'm curious if your opinion would change after reading each of the links I've posted. It's true, a teaspoon of sugar a day won't hurt anyone. Nor will a pound a year.
However the average american eats 75 lbs of sugar per year. Average!!!! So, there goes your moderation LOL. Since I don't eat any, someone's eating a half pound of sugar a day
It depends on what question you're asking me. I've read a fair amount of studies on sugar, certainly not all of them.
I can tell you that I've yet to see data demonstrating deleterious effects of sugar in a diet where nutrient needs are met and total energy intake is kept under control. And I doubt if one exists using diets that meet these conditions.
If I understand correctly the AHA sugar recommendations (for example) are primarily based on the concern that excess sugar either causes excess energy intake which then leads to health problems and that excess sugar intake can push necessary nutrients off the table. (IIRC this one: https://circ.ahajournals.org/content/120/11/1011.full.pdf+html)
And those are both legitimate concerns.
Do I think the standard american diet probably has too much sugar? Yes, but it also has too many calories and too little nutrient dense foods.
I don't support the idea that food ingredients should be avoided and I don't support claims of foods being toxic without paying attention to dose and context.
Food avoidance and rigid dieting practices are likely far more detrimental than sugar.
If you want to form a productive group that will actually help people, then be inclusive and talk about how to form better habits and improve people's relationship with foods, and that starts by not fearing individual ingredients.
I actually think it does more harm than good to tell people that something in their food is toxic or poisonous unless: A) It actually is. and
You can demonstrate the dosage and necessary context at which that occurs.
Finally, before anyone comes back with a strawman argument, I am not advocating a diet composed entirely of sugar nor am I suggesting that people just look at calories and nothing else. It's possible to "over-do" it on sugar for reasons stated previously in this post -- but the solution isn't to eliminate sugar or declare it as toxic or poisonous.
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Poison holy crap! I didn't realize I was the walking deAd.0
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Do you wonder why most of those people in the group aren't active anymore? It's no mystery to me.0
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In to watch the same old argument unfold for the umpteenth time.0
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Oh good grief! Poison? REALLY?0
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Everything is poison. I mean, we're all going to die eventually.0
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sidesteel, thank you for the second reasonable post on this thread. I agree about moderation, in general - however, I'm curious if your opinion would change after reading each of the links I've posted. It's true, a teaspoon of sugar a day won't hurt anyone. Nor will a pound a year.
However the average american eats 75 lbs of sugar per year. Average!!!! So, there goes your moderation LOL. Since I don't eat any, someone's eating a half pound of sugar a day
It depends on what question you're asking me. I've read a fair amount of studies on sugar, certainly not all of them.
I can tell you that I've yet to see data demonstrating deleterious effects of sugar in a diet where nutrient needs are met and total energy intake is kept under control. And I doubt if one exists using diets that meet these conditions.
If I understand correctly the AHA sugar recommendations (for example) are primarily based on the concern that excess sugar either causes excess energy intake which then leads to health problems and that excess sugar intake can push necessary nutrients off the table. (IIRC this one: https://circ.ahajournals.org/content/120/11/1011.full.pdf+html)
And those are both legitimate concerns.
Do I think the standard american diet probably has too much sugar? Yes, but it also has too many calories and too little nutrient dense foods.
I don't support the idea that food ingredients should be avoided and I don't support claims of foods being toxic without paying attention to dose and context.
Food avoidance and rigid dieting practices are likely far more detrimental than sugar.
If you want to form a productive group that will actually help people, then be inclusive and talk about how to form better habits and improve people's relationship with foods, and that starts by not fearing individual ingredients.
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sidesteel, thank you for the second reasonable post on this thread. I agree about moderation, in general - however, I'm curious if your opinion would change after reading each of the links I've posted. It's true, a teaspoon of sugar a day won't hurt anyone. Nor will a pound a year.
However the average american eats 75 lbs of sugar per year. Average!!!! So, there goes your moderation LOL. Since I don't eat any, someone's eating a half pound of sugar a day
It depends on what question you're asking me. I've read a fair amount of studies on sugar, certainly not all of them.
I can tell you that I've yet to see data demonstrating deleterious effects of sugar in a diet where nutrient needs are met and total energy intake is kept under control. And I doubt if one exists using diets that meet these conditions.
If I understand correctly the AHA sugar recommendations (for example) are primarily based on the concern that excess sugar either causes excess energy intake which then leads to health problems and that excess sugar intake can push necessary nutrients off the table. (IIRC this one: https://circ.ahajournals.org/content/120/11/1011.full.pdf+html)
And those are both legitimate concerns.
Do I think the standard american diet probably has too much sugar? Yes, but it also has too many calories and too little nutrient dense foods.
I don't support the idea that food ingredients should be avoided and I don't support claims of foods being toxic without paying attention to dose and context.
Food avoidance and rigid dieting practices are likely far more detrimental than sugar.
If you want to form a productive group that will actually help people, then be inclusive and talk about how to form better habits and improve people's relationship with foods, and that starts by not fearing individual ingredients.
And this was stated so much better than my response...0 -
Cutting out all sugar is ridiculous. I'm not a scientist and I don't have time to read all your links, but be realistic...not all sugars are created equal.
I know anecdotes aren't evidence, but today I've consumed 38 g of sugar so far in the form of a greek yogurt, a protein bar, and a clementine. A can of Coke is 39 g of sugar, so almost the same. Which one is healthier?0 -
The dose makes the poison.
It's always been a strong selling point to try and blame obesity on a single food ingredient, or "chemical"(lol) or an entire macronutrient. It's no different with people who try to push sugar avoidance.
Moderation doesn't sell well.
DJ.sidesteel, thank you for the second reasonable post on this thread. I agree about moderation, in general - however, I'm curious if your opinion would change after reading each of the links I've posted. It's true, a teaspoon of sugar a day won't hurt anyone. Nor will a pound a year.
However the average american eats 75 lbs of sugar per year. Average!!!! So, there goes your moderation LOL. Since I don't eat any, someone's eating a half pound of sugar a day
You eat no sugar at all? You don't eat fruit, vegetables, yogurt, breads, condiments? Like zilch sugar?
Side Steel is absolutely correct- moderation is the key to all foods. However, it's up to the individual to portion out their foods.
There is nothing at all wrong with sugar.
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