So I randomly have stopped losing...

Posted this in another thread but I'll make a topic to see if I get some good advice:

What can you do to start losing again if you randomly stop losing? I've been on or about 229 for almost a month. Same diet. Same exercise. No losses. TDEE is supposedly 2800ish. I eat 2300ish. This worked. Then stopped. Randomly. For no reason.

The options I generally read: "Eat more to lose weight! Eat right under your TDEE and lift!" OK, but I'm 50lbs overweight. Not some chick looking to lose 3lbs to fit in a smaller bikini.

Option two: "You're eating too much." Nope. Eating the same. What was working has stopped. "Oh well eat less" OK, so remember the girl losing 3lbs to fit in a smaller bikini? How is it she loses weight eating more than I do? Seriously? What happened to "you don't starve yourself to lose weight?" Do I really need to be eating 2000 calories a day? 1900? At 5'11" 229lbs. Really?Meanwhile, some girls who's 5'1" 120lbs is shoving down 2500 calories and getting leaner?

Any practical advice? And by practical I mean "do this to get this result." No, "just be patient." Oh, so wait? No thanks. The guy with the six pack didn't get "wait, be patient, give it time."
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  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
    It sounds to me like you are maintaining, which means-and I know you don't want to hear this :smile: - your calories in/calories out support this.

    Here's some ideas:

    Have you adjusted your calorie intake with every ten pounds you've lost? This is important because as we get smaller we need less calories. Not adjusting calorie intake appropriately can stall weight loss.

    Have you added any new exercise, or increased your intensity of your exercises? If you have made some kind of change here, even it it's not intentional, you could be retaining water.

    How's your sodium intake? An overload can also lead to water retention.

    Do you weigh and log all your food and ensure you are using correct entries. Weighing food ensures that we know how many calories we are taking in.

    Do you log exercise calories and eat them back? If so, where do you get your burns from? Keep in mind that MFP, phone exercise apps, and internet sources overestimate these calories. If you use these sources, it's a good idea to eat only about 75% of them back.
  • jemhh
    jemhh Posts: 14,261 Member
    edited November 2014
    Is there any chance that your daily activity has decreased? I'm not talking about workouts. I'm talking about things like are you walking less during the day, sitting more than standing, etc.?

    I have had a few times when my weight loss has seemed to stop, or at least be painfully slow (I'm looking at my log and see that from 6/29 to 8/3 I lost .7 pounds for instance.) During those times I have usually found that my daily activity non-exercise activity has decreased, even if my workouts have remained the same. For example, I stopped taking a lunchtime walk a couple of times a week or have started driving instead of walking to meetings.
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
    jemhh wrote: »
    Is there any chance that your daily activity has decreased? I'm not talking about workouts. I'm talking about things like are you walking less during the day, sitting more than standing, etc.?

    I have had a few times when my weight loss has seemed to stop, or at least be painfully slow (I'm looking at my log and see that from 6/29 to 8/3 I lost .7 pounds for instance.) During those times I have usually found that my daily activity non-exercise activity has decreased, even if my workouts have remained the same. For example, I stopped taking a lunchtime walk a couple of times a week or have started driving instead of walking to meetings.

    Oh yes, and this too. :smile:

  • bmele0
    bmele0 Posts: 282 Member
    Not sure if you've seen this table, or what your goal loss per week is, but I see this float around the forums from time to time as a general rule of thumb-

    If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal
    If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal
    If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal
    If you have 15-25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal
    If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal

    Watch the sodium if you aren't already. And you may have hit some kind of plateau. If you have stopped losing for 3+ weeks and you are doing all of the same things, it's time to change it up and push past the plateau. This may require changing your workout routine, and yes, eating less. Weight loss is not linear. Maybe try a heart rate monitor to get an accurate check on how many calories you are truly burning. The fitter you become and the smaller you are, the less calories you will burn and the slower you will lose.
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  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    Both of the above are good points. In the winter, my activity increases because it's not sweltering outside, so I add in walking to work and things like that, but that's opposite of a lot of other people who don't live in a swamp; it's too cold and small things get cut from their daily habits. That can add up and lead to less energy expended.

    Are you accurate in your logging? Some entries are horribly inaccurate in the database, so be sure that calorie counts are accurate according to the packaging or you can double check with the USDA for whole foods (http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods). There are a ton of things that could be happening like not measuring foods and eyeballing servings that could lead to inaccuracies. It doesn't always matter when you have more to lose, but those become more problematic the more you lose (your deficit is smaller than you think and you end up at maintenance when you think you should be at a deficit). You can get really strict in weighing/measuring/etc, or you can just reduce calories to compensate for possible overages.

    I'd agree that you're just eating too much for how much you are expending. TDEE calculators are estimates based on average populations. If you have lost weight by dieting down to where you are currently, it's likely that your expenditure is lower than the expected TDEE (see more at http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/another-look-at-metabolic-damage.html/, but basically, people who diet have lower TDEE than people their same height/weight/activity level who have never dieted). And, it could just be overestimating. Try reducing your calories by 1-200 calories a day and see if the loss restarts.

    Or, if you have a lot of stress in your life or have changed your workout routines at all, your cortisol could be up masking losses. You could try being patient and waiting out the stall, but my guess is that you will need to reduce calories.
  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    edited November 2014
    BFDeal wrote: »
    Going of the 5x5 site, which everyone recommends within two posts on every "I want to lose weight" threads, it specifically says to not deviate much from the program and you don't need to "confuse your muscles." Again, why does this apply for others but not me?
    Consistency with a program is far more effective than muscle confusion. Stick with your program. Some programs alternate a lot of accessory work or variations of main lifts to help work different muscles, but they are specifically designed that way. Constantly switching programs is just a way to defeat strength gains you could otherwise be making by sticking with one program. I did stronglifts for well over a year before switching programs, and I'm even thinking of going back to it because my strength gains seem to have stalled without the linear progression.
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  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    BFDeal wrote: »
    Are you accurate in your logging?
    I'm a pretty boring eater and for the most part I think I have logging down. I've lost more than my ticker indicates (used to be 365lbs) so I'm no rookie. I've taken breaks along the way (years of dieting is tiring) but this go around logging and using the TDEE numbers has gotten me from 250 to here. Now nothing. And again, seriously, lower my calories more? 5'11"...229...being told to eat 2100 calories a day. What happened to "you don't have to starve yourself?"
    Clearly you are right. JSF.
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  • jemhh
    jemhh Posts: 14,261 Member
    edited November 2014
    I don't know how many calories the 5'1" 120 pounder is burning so I can't really compare how much you eat vs. her. I don't know but don't drive yourself batty making a comparison. I'm 5'6" and 150.5 pounds and eat 2000-2200 calories a day. My husband is 6'2" and 230-something and has been eating 18XX calories to lose weight. I workout 6x/wk. He doesn't workout at all. I lose around a half pound a week and he's lost something like 19 pounds in the past four weeks. There's no real way to compare all of that because of the variables (which extend beyond those that I listed.) If I tried to compare it, I'd lose my mind.
  • maxit
    maxit Posts: 880 Member
    If your workouts have remained basically the same, your body has become more efficient at them, decreasing the amount of effort it takes to do what you are doing. I would try two things - one is to shake up your workouts & general level of activity. If you are doing steady state cardio, do intervals instead, for example. If you are weight training, ditch your current routine altogether (unless you are doing full body workouts routinely) and look into full body workouts. Increase your general daily activity - i.e., if your day finds you mainly sitting, move more (an hour or 2 of killer workouts do not make up for 23 hours of being sedentary). With food intake, continue to weight and measure, and watch your macros. It may be that you need to decrease # of calories but I would attempt upping general activity and being vigilant about food quality first. I know calories in/calories out is important, but your body has to work a lot harder to extract/convert glucose from whole, natural foods than it does from refined, processed foods.
  • bmele0
    bmele0 Posts: 282 Member
    I don't know, I don't know your body. Could be just a plateau. I know it's super frustrating and annoying- I know, I've been there. I had a straight month of not losing even though I wasn't doing anything different. It encouraged me to start weighing every bit of my food and logging it, got the heart rate monitor so I had a more accurate look at calorie burn. I changed up my workout routine and even found a fun sport to play on Friday nights. I've lost 97 lbs so far. I'm 5'4'' and I still have about 45-50 to lose and my cals are set at about1270 plus eating whatever I burn (which is in the 250-350 cal range). I don't use the TDEE, because it seemed to give me way to many calories.

    Also, the scenario you presented of the 120 lb girl putting down 2500+ calories a day isn't really a weight loss scenario. That's a gaining lean body mass and possibly losing a bit of fat while doing so scenario. It isn't your typical scenario. I would never be able to eat anything close to that and lose.
  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    BFDeal wrote: »
    auddii wrote: »
    BFDeal wrote: »
    Are you accurate in your logging?
    I'm a pretty boring eater and for the most part I think I have logging down. I've lost more than my ticker indicates (used to be 365lbs) so I'm no rookie. I've taken breaks along the way (years of dieting is tiring) but this go around logging and using the TDEE numbers has gotten me from 250 to here. Now nothing. And again, seriously, lower my calories more? 5'11"...229...being told to eat 2100 calories a day. What happened to "you don't have to starve yourself?"
    Clearly you are right. JSF.
    I don't know if I'm right I'm just flat out baffled why the advice for me would be completely different than someone else. Every thread for every chick trying to lose 5lbs. "Eat more eat more!" There are women here losing eating more than I am. I guess I'm looking for advice on what I need to do to do that.
    I don't see tons of threads that say to eat more. And many of the people recommending to eat more have not always lost a lot of weight. Far more often when people aren't losing they are told to be sure they are logging accurately. Many people who have a severe deficit (1000 calories a day and are trying to lose 10lbs) are told that they can eat more and still lose. There is a difference.
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  • Lasmartchika
    Lasmartchika Posts: 3,440 Member
    BFDeal wrote: »
    auddii wrote: »
    BFDeal wrote: »
    Are you accurate in your logging?
    I'm a pretty boring eater and for the most part I think I have logging down. I've lost more than my ticker indicates (used to be 365lbs) so I'm no rookie. I've taken breaks along the way (years of dieting is tiring) but this go around logging and using the TDEE numbers has gotten me from 250 to here. Now nothing. And again, seriously, lower my calories more? 5'11"...229...being told to eat 2100 calories a day. What happened to "you don't have to starve yourself?"
    Clearly you are right. JSF.
    I don't know if I'm right I'm just flat out baffled why the advice for me would be completely different than someone else. Every thread for every chick trying to lose 5lbs. "Eat more eat more!" There are women here losing eating more than I am. I guess I'm looking for advice on what I need to do to do that.

    Because most of those chicks are already starving themselves by eating 1200 calories or less. That's why they get the advice to eat more. Do you want us to tell you eat more? Are you doing TDEE- 20%? Then do TDEE- 15%.
  • gothchiq
    gothchiq Posts: 4,590 Member
    Are you taking a day off between days of lifting so your muscles can recover? If not, start doing it. If your body is breaking down muscle rather than building it, that can be a problem.

    What if you quit lifting for a couple weeks and do something else such as bicycling. Then try going back to lifting again after that. I don't know about you but sometimes I just seem to need a break from the weights, and come back with renewed strength.
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  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    BFDeal wrote: »
    BFDeal wrote: »
    auddii wrote: »
    BFDeal wrote: »
    Are you accurate in your logging?
    I'm a pretty boring eater and for the most part I think I have logging down. I've lost more than my ticker indicates (used to be 365lbs) so I'm no rookie. I've taken breaks along the way (years of dieting is tiring) but this go around logging and using the TDEE numbers has gotten me from 250 to here. Now nothing. And again, seriously, lower my calories more? 5'11"...229...being told to eat 2100 calories a day. What happened to "you don't have to starve yourself?"
    Clearly you are right. JSF.
    I don't know if I'm right I'm just flat out baffled why the advice for me would be completely different than someone else. Every thread for every chick trying to lose 5lbs. "Eat more eat more!" There are women here losing eating more than I am. I guess I'm looking for advice on what I need to do to do that.

    Because most of those chicks are already starving themselves by eating 1200 calories or less. That's why they get the advice to eat more. Do you want us to tell you eat more? Are you doing TDEE- 20%? Then do TDEE- 15%.
    So what would be considered me starting myself? Eating less than 2000? I guess that's my point. I'm already pretty low. 2300 is a decent deficit. Do I need to be at 2200? 2100? 2000? Where does it stop? Should I just eat 1500?
    The "equivalent" of women eating 1200 calories in men is typically considered 1500 calories.

    And don't act so defeatist in response to everyone's advice. It's not what you want to hear, and that's fine. But being an *kitten* will just convince people that they have no reason to try and help you.
  • gothchiq
    gothchiq Posts: 4,590 Member
    ... or even spend a couple weeks doing minimal exercise at all. Go for walks. I really think that people need a break every few months to just let your body repair and rebuild. If your numbers are down it seems to me that your body is saying it needs a little time off.
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  • jemhh
    jemhh Posts: 14,261 Member
    BFDeal wrote: »
    maxit wrote: »
    If your workouts have remained basically the same, your body has become more efficient at them, decreasing the amount of effort it takes to do what you are doing.
    I get what you're saying but my body seems to have gotten WORSE at everything. My numbers on every single lift is down. Running has gotten easier obviously but I don't really want to be a "runner" (I do it periodically for general fitness).

    The fact that your lifts are down makes me want to tell you to eat a bit more--at least for a week or so. How long have you been working on losing weight? Have you taken any diet breaks? I'm a big fan of the diet break. I do it as a week of eating at maintenance, doing my regular workouts. I have found that it really re-energizes me when I get to the point where I'm feeling completely over the weight loss thing. Most recently (as in three weeks ago) I moved my calories up to a range between maintenance and a 100 calorie deficit (based on the IIFYM calculator) because I was feeling weak while lifting. I'm planning to stay here through the holidays and January before considering increasing my deficit. You might not want to take such a long maintenance break but even just a one week break may help. Here's a couple of posts about diet breaks:

    Strength Unbound - When to take a diet break

    Lyle McDonald - The full diet break
  • kshack9
    kshack9 Posts: 2 Member
    Saw this chart on the MFP forums and thought it was interesting:

    bmele0 wrote: »
    Not sure if you've seen this table, or what your goal loss per week is, but I see this float around the forums from time to time as a general rule of thumb-

    If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal
    If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal
    If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal
    If you have 15-25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal
    If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal

    The fitter you become and the smaller you are, the less calories you will burn and the slower you will lose.

  • stealthq
    stealthq Posts: 4,298 Member
    edited November 2014
    BFDeal wrote: »
    auddii wrote: »
    BFDeal wrote: »
    Are you accurate in your logging?
    I'm a pretty boring eater and for the most part I think I have logging down. I've lost more than my ticker indicates (used to be 365lbs) so I'm no rookie. I've taken breaks along the way (years of dieting is tiring) but this go around logging and using the TDEE numbers has gotten me from 250 to here. Now nothing. And again, seriously, lower my calories more? 5'11"...229...being told to eat 2100 calories a day. What happened to "you don't have to starve yourself?"
    Clearly you are right. JSF.
    I don't know if I'm right I'm just flat out baffled why the advice for me would be completely different than someone else. Every thread for every chick trying to lose 5lbs. "Eat more eat more!" There are women here losing eating more than I am. I guess I'm looking for advice on what I need to do to do that.

    There's a difference between trying to lose weight when you're already lean (low-healthy %BF) vs when you are not. When you're already close to an athletic %BF you want to have a really small deficit. So you eat really close to your TDEE. And wait. This is where I am right now, losing about a pound per month. Your calories would be about maintenance calories for me, but then, I'm running 35+ miles per week and doing Stronglifts.

    Honestly, given your stats, you should be able to eat a bit more. Have you revisited your logging just to make sure you haven't gotten lax over the last couple of months? If not, and your activity has not changed, there are two other possibilities: 1) you have a health issue, or 2) you're a statistical outlier and your TDEE is lower than the calculated estimates.

    ETA: Sorry, thought you'd been stuck for 2 months, but since it's really less than a month: 3rd possibility - you're storing water because you've been dieting a while and the stress has built up. Happens to a lot of people. They lose steadily, then for 2-6 weeks nothing, followed by a sudden drop of about the same number of pounds they'd been expecting to lose while they were stalled. Some go back to losing steadily, some continue losing in fits and starts.
  • bmele0
    bmele0 Posts: 282 Member
    Just to see, go My Home, click Goals, and then Change Goals. Go through the guided MFP steps to see what it says for starters. If you have designated workout times, but are generally sedentary, put sedentary. What are the goal calories when you do that?
  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    edited November 2014
    jemhh wrote: »
    BFDeal wrote: »
    maxit wrote: »
    If your workouts have remained basically the same, your body has become more efficient at them, decreasing the amount of effort it takes to do what you are doing.
    I get what you're saying but my body seems to have gotten WORSE at everything. My numbers on every single lift is down. Running has gotten easier obviously but I don't really want to be a "runner" (I do it periodically for general fitness).

    The fact that your lifts are down makes me want to tell you to eat a bit more--at least for a week or so. How long have you been working on losing weight? Have you taken any diet breaks? I'm a big fan of the diet break. I do it as a week of eating at maintenance, doing my regular workouts. I have found that it really re-energizes me when I get to the point where I'm feeling completely over the weight loss thing. Most recently (as in three weeks ago) I moved my calories up to a range between maintenance and a 100 calorie deficit (based on the IIFYM calculator) because I was feeling weak while lifting. I'm planning to stay here through the holidays and January before considering increasing my deficit. You might not want to take such a long maintenance break but even just a one week break may help. Here's a couple of posts about diet breaks:

    Strength Unbound - When to take a diet break

    Lyle McDonald - The full diet break
    ^Good advice. In addition, have you been incorporating deloads into your training program?

    http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/get_bigger_by_doing_less
  • wanttolose40lbs
    wanttolose40lbs Posts: 239 Member
    I'm 5'4" eating 1500 calories a day, exercising 6 days a week, and maintaining. The only way for me to lose weight is eat less then 1500 calories a day, doesn't seem fair, but that's the way it is. So, yes you have to eat less to continue losing weight
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  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    edited November 2014
    BFDeal wrote: »
    auddii wrote: »
    jemhh wrote: »
    BFDeal wrote: »
    maxit wrote: »
    If your workouts have remained basically the same, your body has become more efficient at them, decreasing the amount of effort it takes to do what you are doing.
    I get what you're saying but my body seems to have gotten WORSE at everything. My numbers on every single lift is down. Running has gotten easier obviously but I don't really want to be a "runner" (I do it periodically for general fitness).

    The fact that your lifts are down makes me want to tell you to eat a bit more--at least for a week or so. How long have you been working on losing weight? Have you taken any diet breaks? I'm a big fan of the diet break. I do it as a week of eating at maintenance, doing my regular workouts. I have found that it really re-energizes me when I get to the point where I'm feeling completely over the weight loss thing. Most recently (as in three weeks ago) I moved my calories up to a range between maintenance and a 100 calorie deficit (based on the IIFYM calculator) because I was feeling weak while lifting. I'm planning to stay here through the holidays and January before considering increasing my deficit. You might not want to take such a long maintenance break but even just a one week break may help. Here's a couple of posts about diet breaks:

    Strength Unbound - When to take a diet break

    Lyle McDonald - The full diet break
    ^Good advice. In addition, have you been incorporating deloads into your training program?

    http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/get_bigger_by_doing_less
    I did for a while because I followed the 5/3/1 program. It worked well but I ran in to pretty much the same issues only at a slower pace since I didn't increase the weight as fast as 5x5 (as in I would climb up, hit a wall, scale back).

    If no one has mentioned it before, you may really benefit from asking about your intake in the Eat, Train, Progress group. Sara and Patrick both lift and have been advising on intake and programming for a long time now, and a lot of people have had success.

    They have a post here for all the specific information they need, and you just create a thread in their group: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/910257/the-new-and-improved-asking-questions-about-your-intake
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