Mind Blown
Crisseyda
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I have been absorbing this truth over the last 10 months or so... It has changed my diet, my body, and my life... and it all started with a simple proposition:
Dietary fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol do not contribute to heart disease.
I'm curious, does anybody out there in forum-land know what does?
It has taken me a lot of research to somewhat answer that question. I'm wondering if anyone else already uncovered it long before me... ?
Dietary fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol do not contribute to heart disease.
I'm curious, does anybody out there in forum-land know what does?
It has taken me a lot of research to somewhat answer that question. I'm wondering if anyone else already uncovered it long before me... ?
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No idea. 'Cause' is a funny thing, misleads many. Sells newspapers to say fat causes heart disease... but it also sells newspapers to say it doesn't.0
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aqsylvester wrote: »I have been absorbing this truth over the last 10 months or so... It has changed my diet, my body, and my life... and it all started with a simple proposition:
Dietary fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol do not contribute to heart disease.
I'm curious, does anybody out there in forum-land know what does?
It has taken me a lot of research to somewhat answer that question. I'm wondering if anyone else already uncovered it long before me... ?
Genetics. Obesity. Lifestyle.
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I've been reading about how chronic inflammation likely is the culprit.0
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Do tell. I could use some interesting Sunday reading!0
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Tblackdogs wrote: »I've been reading about how chronic inflammation likely is the culprit.
Yes! I agree. From what I've read, inflammation is likely the cause. Seen, for example, in the link between poor dental hygiene (gingivitis) and heart attacks (acute myocardial infarction).
The question is... what's causing the inflammation?
I really don't want to just spill out everything I think... I'm curious if anybody else has already been pointed toward similar conclusions.0 -
Lourdesong wrote: »No idea. 'Cause' is a funny thing, misleads many. Sells newspapers to say fat causes heart disease... but it also sells newspapers to say it doesn't.
"Cause" is a very loaded word. And I didn't use it. Of course, heart disease is a multifactorial process.
Yet, despite what mainstream nutrition since the 1970s will tell you, research has failed to correlate dietary saturated fat with heart disease...
So what are real contributing factors? And why is heart disease now so incredibly rampant?0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »Lourdesong wrote: »No idea. 'Cause' is a funny thing, misleads many. Sells newspapers to say fat causes heart disease... but it also sells newspapers to say it doesn't.
"Cause" is a very loaded word. And I didn't use it. Of course, heart disease is a multifactorial process.
Yet, despite what mainstream nutrition since the 1970s will tell you, research has failed to correlate dietary saturated fat with heart disease...
So what are real contributing factors? And why is heart disease now so incredibly rampant?
Carbohydrates, however...0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »Lourdesong wrote: »No idea. 'Cause' is a funny thing, misleads many. Sells newspapers to say fat causes heart disease... but it also sells newspapers to say it doesn't.
"Cause" is a very loaded word. And I didn't use it. Of course, heart disease is a multifactorial process.
Yet, despite what mainstream nutrition since the 1970s will tell you, research has failed to correlate dietary saturated fat with heart disease...
So what are real contributing factors? And why is heart disease now so incredibly rampant?
Carbohydrates, however...
Lol strong trolling0 -
Stress, genes, obesity, lifestyle... good job realizing dietary cholesterol does not equate bad blood cholesterol! Others need to figure that out, too.
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Current lifestyle trends include one big word: sedentary. More kids are staying indoors playing video games and watching TV, using smartphones and computers. More adults have sedentary jobs. Cars are used to get to and from places even when the weather's nice. Fifty years ago, even twenty years ago, we didn't the NFL to start a Play60 program to tell kids to spend 60 minutes a day doing physical exercise, because that's all we did, play outside when we weren't in school. We had physical chores, and rode our bikes everywhere. When we played, we didn't have computers and phones and video games so we weren't sitting. Moms had fewer machines to do housework for them so it was more physical, too. Dads often had physical jobs. People walked places sometimes, and fewer people had cars, and if they did, families only had one.
People ate more eggs, more real butter, drank whole milk. They didn't think about saturated fat, and yet heart disease is still rampant as the #1 killer today. Hm. I don't think it's the saturated fat.
There are many more obese people today, and it's due to the sedentary lifestyle and the habit of overeating anything, not one specific food group.0 -
processed food0
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http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/basics/causes/con-20034056
~Atherosclerosis (a buildup of fatty plaques in the arteries)
~Arrhythmia (messed up heart rhythms)
~Genetic defects
~Cardiomyopathy (thickening of the heart muscle)
~Heart infections (bacteria, viruses, parasites_
~Vascular disease (rheumatic fever, infections, connective tissue disorders)
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http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/basics/causes/con-20034056
~Atherosclerosis (a buildup of fatty plaques in the arteries)
~Arrhythmia (messed up heart rhythms)
~Genetic defects
~Cardiomyopathy (thickening of the heart muscle)
~Heart infections (bacteria, viruses, parasites_
~Vascular disease (rheumatic fever, infections, connective tissue disorders)
I see you listed a bunch of common ways the heart can be diseased. Some are more rare, some more common.
I'm talking about the most common of all: atherosclerosis... which leads to arrhythmias and cardiomyopathy.
One person said it: processed food
Yup, that's what I'd say. Specifically because of the extreme excess of omega 6 fatty acids, trans fats, and sugar (and, yes, carbohydrates, in general).
Of course, I could go into far more depth on each of these and why. But, my point is... yes, my mind was blown this year by discovering this truth. I'm glad. And I feel more healthier now than ever. I just wish it was more mainstream. I wonder if others are coming to realization.0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/basics/causes/con-20034056
~Atherosclerosis (a buildup of fatty plaques in the arteries)
~Arrhythmia (messed up heart rhythms)
~Genetic defects
~Cardiomyopathy (thickening of the heart muscle)
~Heart infections (bacteria, viruses, parasites_
~Vascular disease (rheumatic fever, infections, connective tissue disorders)
I see you listed a bunch of common ways the heart can be diseased. Some are more rare, some more common.
I'm talking about the most common of all: atherosclerosis... which leads to arrhythmias and cardiomyopathy.
One person said it: processed food
Yup, that's what I'd say. Specifically because of the extreme excess of omega 6 fatty acids, trans fats, and sugar (and, yes, carbohydrates, in general).
Of course, I could go into far more depth on each of these and why. But, my point is... yes, my mind was blown this year by discovering this truth. I'm glad. And I feel more healthier now than ever. I just wish it was more mainstream. I wonder if others are coming to realization.
The longest living and healthiest populations on Earth follow high carb diets.0 -
Listen to the series of podcasts "Brain-Body Breakthroughs" by Larry McCleary MD.
His series of podcasts attempts to debunk many modern medical myths, much of his focus is on diet and nutrition and how much of our understanding of modern medicine is wrong.
A lot of the debunking usually points to flawed science and poor use of statistics (e.g. statins and cholesterol). The upshot of a lot of his arguments (usually by specialists in that particular field) are that we live in an age where many never question scientific fact and just accept it with blind faith. Much of this existing "wisdom" appears to come from flawed science conducted over 100 years ago and never questioned since. Worth a listen, all it costs you is your time.
He may turn out to be a quack, you make up your own mind, but if we didn't question what is considered common wisdom from time to time we'd all still be living in the dark ages. Just consider how many common ideas regularly get debunked on these forums when it comes to diet and exercise.0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/basics/causes/con-20034056
~Atherosclerosis (a buildup of fatty plaques in the arteries)
~Arrhythmia (messed up heart rhythms)
~Genetic defects
~Cardiomyopathy (thickening of the heart muscle)
~Heart infections (bacteria, viruses, parasites_
~Vascular disease (rheumatic fever, infections, connective tissue disorders)
I see you listed a bunch of common ways the heart can be diseased. Some are more rare, some more common.
I'm talking about the most common of all: atherosclerosis... which leads to arrhythmias and cardiomyopathy.
One person said it: processed food
Yup, that's what I'd say. Specifically because of the extreme excess of omega 6 fatty acids, trans fats, and sugar (and, yes, carbohydrates, in general).
Of course, I could go into far more depth on each of these and why. But, my point is... yes, my mind was blown this year by discovering this truth. I'm glad. And I feel more healthier now than ever. I just wish it was more mainstream. I wonder if others are coming to realization.
It's not mainstream because it's not clear yet.
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aqsylvester wrote: »The question is... what's causing the inflammation?
It's normal to have some degree of inflammation. "Inflammation" is how our bodies heal.
Of course many people have an imbalance with too much inflammation due to all sorts of factors. A lot of it is probably dietary, and processed foods are probably a big culprit. But unfortunately the answer is not as simple as just "processed foods."0 -
Let's do rational thought a favor and not leap from fats to processed food in one fell swoop.
Besides, "processed" can mean steaming your veggies or baking chicken. Any process that alters food from its original form. Pretty broad term.0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/basics/causes/con-20034056
~Atherosclerosis (a buildup of fatty plaques in the arteries)
~Arrhythmia (messed up heart rhythms)
~Genetic defects
~Cardiomyopathy (thickening of the heart muscle)
~Heart infections (bacteria, viruses, parasites_
~Vascular disease (rheumatic fever, infections, connective tissue disorders)
I see you listed a bunch of common ways the heart can be diseased. Some are more rare, some more common.
I'm talking about the most common of all: atherosclerosis... which leads to arrhythmias and cardiomyopathy.
One person said it: processed food
Yup, that's what I'd say. Specifically because of the extreme excess of omega 6 fatty acids, trans fats, and sugar (and, yes, carbohydrates, in general).
Of course, I could go into far more depth on each of these and why. But, my point is... yes, my mind was blown this year by discovering this truth. I'm glad. And I feel more healthier now than ever. I just wish it was more mainstream. I wonder if others are coming to realization.
I'm not sure truth means what you think it means
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aqsylvester wrote: »http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/basics/causes/con-20034056
~Atherosclerosis (a buildup of fatty plaques in the arteries)
~Arrhythmia (messed up heart rhythms)
~Genetic defects
~Cardiomyopathy (thickening of the heart muscle)
~Heart infections (bacteria, viruses, parasites_
~Vascular disease (rheumatic fever, infections, connective tissue disorders)
I see you listed a bunch of common ways the heart can be diseased. Some are more rare, some more common.
I'm talking about the most common of all: atherosclerosis... which leads to arrhythmias and cardiomyopathy.
One person said it: processed food
Yup, that's what I'd say. Specifically because of the extreme excess of omega 6 fatty acids, trans fats, and sugar (and, yes, carbohydrates, in general).
Of course, I could go into far more depth on each of these and why. But, my point is... yes, my mind was blown this year by discovering this truth. I'm glad. And I feel more healthier now than ever. I just wish it was more mainstream. I wonder if others are coming to realization.
I'm not sure truth means what you think it means
Ooooo, intriguing.... can you elaborate?0 -
One can be labeled as having heart disease, even though all they had was a dissection. No plaque, cholesterol and completely healthy. I have 2 stents in my heart now because of it.
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aqsylvester wrote: »The question is... what's causing the inflammation?
It's normal to have some degree of inflammation. "Inflammation" is how our bodies heal.
Of course many people have an imbalance with too much inflammation due to all sorts of factors. A lot of it is probably dietary, and processed foods are probably a big culprit. But unfortunately the answer is not as simple as just "processed foods."
Yes, inflammation is healing, but it is also often deadly. It is an underlying cause of debilitating chronic illnesses like asthma, Crohn's, rheumatoid arthritis, cancer; and it can also kill someone in a matter of hours from an allergen, bodily insult, or infection that turns into sepsis or acute respiratory distress syndrome. The doctor literally can't save the patient from drowning in their own inflammatory mediators. On the whole, nobody ever has a problem not having enough inflammation (unless they on are immunosuppressants, of course), but more than likely almost everyone in the U.S., following a standard diet and lifestyle, has too much inflammation.
Answers are never simple. I completely agree. I'm not seeking a simple answer. If the answer was as simple as processed foods, then someone could come along and say, "Any time you alter food it is processed," and feel like they've added something meaningful to the conversation by knocking down the premise.... oh, wait...
All I'm saying is that I see myself as an educated, health-conscious, open-minded person, and I've lived for the last 5-10 yrs thinking I was making the right choices, but now realizing how far off course I was. It is frustrating, and I wonder if anyone else is in the same boat. If you're not in the same place as me, that's totally fine! If you are accepting of mainstream nutritional data that we've all heard and believed for years, I totally get it. I'm not judging you.
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On a side note, I really don't understand the hostility that believing anything different brings out in certain people. I embrace differences, and it has brought me increased perspective, compassion, and connection to others. It makes life all the more fascinating to stay open to perceiving new concepts and paradigms. My MBTI says I am strong P, and I understand those J's need things a little more exact and concrete, so maybe it's just personality... and hopefully not character.0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/basics/causes/con-20034056
~Atherosclerosis (a buildup of fatty plaques in the arteries)
~Arrhythmia (messed up heart rhythms)
~Genetic defects
~Cardiomyopathy (thickening of the heart muscle)
~Heart infections (bacteria, viruses, parasites_
~Vascular disease (rheumatic fever, infections, connective tissue disorders)
I see you listed a bunch of common ways the heart can be diseased. Some are more rare, some more common.
I'm talking about the most common of all: atherosclerosis... which leads to arrhythmias and cardiomyopathy.
One person said it: processed food
Yup, that's what I'd say. Specifically because of the extreme excess of omega 6 fatty acids, trans fats, and sugar (and, yes, carbohydrates, in general).
Of course, I could go into far more depth on each of these and why. But, my point is... yes, my mind was blown this year by discovering this truth. I'm glad. And I feel more healthier now than ever. I just wish it was more mainstream. I wonder if others are coming to realization.
I'm not sure truth means what you think it means
Ooooo, intriguing.... can you elaborate?
What is truth as it relates to science? How do you deal with conflicting study results on the same subject matter?
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aqsylvester wrote: »http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/basics/causes/con-20034056
~Atherosclerosis (a buildup of fatty plaques in the arteries)
~Arrhythmia (messed up heart rhythms)
~Genetic defects
~Cardiomyopathy (thickening of the heart muscle)
~Heart infections (bacteria, viruses, parasites_
~Vascular disease (rheumatic fever, infections, connective tissue disorders)
I see you listed a bunch of common ways the heart can be diseased. Some are more rare, some more common.
I'm talking about the most common of all: atherosclerosis... which leads to arrhythmias and cardiomyopathy.
One person said it: processed food
Yup, that's what I'd say. Specifically because of the extreme excess of omega 6 fatty acids, trans fats, and sugar (and, yes, carbohydrates, in general).
Of course, I could go into far more depth on each of these and why. But, my point is... yes, my mind was blown this year by discovering this truth. I'm glad. And I feel more healthier now than ever. I just wish it was more mainstream. I wonder if others are coming to realization.
Carbohydrates in general?I You mean like the rice and yams in Okinawa and the pasta in the Mediterranean? Are those the carbs you mean?0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/basics/causes/con-20034056
~Atherosclerosis (a buildup of fatty plaques in the arteries)
~Arrhythmia (messed up heart rhythms)
~Genetic defects
~Cardiomyopathy (thickening of the heart muscle)
~Heart infections (bacteria, viruses, parasites_
~Vascular disease (rheumatic fever, infections, connective tissue disorders)
I see you listed a bunch of common ways the heart can be diseased. Some are more rare, some more common.
I'm talking about the most common of all: atherosclerosis... which leads to arrhythmias and cardiomyopathy.
One person said it: processed food
Yup, that's what I'd say. Specifically because of the extreme excess of omega 6 fatty acids, trans fats, and sugar (and, yes, carbohydrates, in general).
Of course, I could go into far more depth on each of these and why. But, my point is... yes, my mind was blown this year by discovering this truth. I'm glad. And I feel more healthier now than ever. I just wish it was more mainstream. I wonder if others are coming to realization.
I'm not sure truth means what you think it means
Ooooo, intriguing.... can you elaborate?
What is truth as it relates to science? How do you deal with conflicting study results on the same subject matter?
Here's a good guideline for how to deal with conflicting study results:
For example, a Cochrane Review would be far more weighted than a retrospective study.
You can also look at who funded the study, how it was conducted, whether it was peer-reviewed...
Here's an engaging TED Talk on some issues with interpreting evidence:
http://www.ted.com/talks/ben_goldacre_battling_bad_science?language=en
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aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/basics/causes/con-20034056
~Atherosclerosis (a buildup of fatty plaques in the arteries)
~Arrhythmia (messed up heart rhythms)
~Genetic defects
~Cardiomyopathy (thickening of the heart muscle)
~Heart infections (bacteria, viruses, parasites_
~Vascular disease (rheumatic fever, infections, connective tissue disorders)
I see you listed a bunch of common ways the heart can be diseased. Some are more rare, some more common.
I'm talking about the most common of all: atherosclerosis... which leads to arrhythmias and cardiomyopathy.
One person said it: processed food
Yup, that's what I'd say. Specifically because of the extreme excess of omega 6 fatty acids, trans fats, and sugar (and, yes, carbohydrates, in general).
Of course, I could go into far more depth on each of these and why. But, my point is... yes, my mind was blown this year by discovering this truth. I'm glad. And I feel more healthier now than ever. I just wish it was more mainstream. I wonder if others are coming to realization.
I'm not sure truth means what you think it means
Ooooo, intriguing.... can you elaborate?
What is truth as it relates to science? How do you deal with conflicting study results on the same subject matter?
Here's a good guideline for how to deal with conflicting study results:
For example, a Cochrane Review would be far more weighted than a retrospective study.
You can also look at who funded the study, how it was conducted, whether it was peer-reviewed...
Here's an engaging TED Talk on some issues with interpreting evidence:
http://www.ted.com/talks/ben_goldacre_battling_bad_science?language=en
Funny many of the carbs are bad, specifically the sugar is the devil studies fall under the bad science tent.0 -
SnuggleSmacks wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/basics/causes/con-20034056
~Atherosclerosis (a buildup of fatty plaques in the arteries)
~Arrhythmia (messed up heart rhythms)
~Genetic defects
~Cardiomyopathy (thickening of the heart muscle)
~Heart infections (bacteria, viruses, parasites_
~Vascular disease (rheumatic fever, infections, connective tissue disorders)
I see you listed a bunch of common ways the heart can be diseased. Some are more rare, some more common.
I'm talking about the most common of all: atherosclerosis... which leads to arrhythmias and cardiomyopathy.
One person said it: processed food
Yup, that's what I'd say. Specifically because of the extreme excess of omega 6 fatty acids, trans fats, and sugar (and, yes, carbohydrates, in general).
Of course, I could go into far more depth on each of these and why. But, my point is... yes, my mind was blown this year by discovering this truth. I'm glad. And I feel more healthier now than ever. I just wish it was more mainstream. I wonder if others are coming to realization.
Carbohydrates in general?I You mean like the rice and yams in Okinawa and the pasta in the Mediterranean? Are those the carbs you mean?
You sound alarmed. So out of respect, I will assume you are not passive-aggressively and sarcastically trying to incite controversy, and I will attempt to assauge your fears...
The connection between processed foods and excess carbohydrates in a diet is that the former tends to generate the latter. Do you follow me? Seems pretty obvious that humans need all macronutrients in balanced ratios.0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »Dietary fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol do not contribute to heart disease.
I've never seen anything to make me think the above statement is true. Had you said "cause" instead of "contribute", then yeah. But I think many things contribute to heart disease. Some dietary, some not. It seems more about balance than anything else. Balanced diet, balanced life.0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »aqsylvester wrote: »http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/basics/causes/con-20034056
~Atherosclerosis (a buildup of fatty plaques in the arteries)
~Arrhythmia (messed up heart rhythms)
~Genetic defects
~Cardiomyopathy (thickening of the heart muscle)
~Heart infections (bacteria, viruses, parasites_
~Vascular disease (rheumatic fever, infections, connective tissue disorders)
I see you listed a bunch of common ways the heart can be diseased. Some are more rare, some more common.
I'm talking about the most common of all: atherosclerosis... which leads to arrhythmias and cardiomyopathy.
One person said it: processed food
Yup, that's what I'd say. Specifically because of the extreme excess of omega 6 fatty acids, trans fats, and sugar (and, yes, carbohydrates, in general).
Of course, I could go into far more depth on each of these and why. But, my point is... yes, my mind was blown this year by discovering this truth. I'm glad. And I feel more healthier now than ever. I just wish it was more mainstream. I wonder if others are coming to realization.
I'm not sure truth means what you think it means
Ooooo, intriguing.... can you elaborate?
What is truth as it relates to science? How do you deal with conflicting study results on the same subject matter?
Here's a good guideline for how to deal with conflicting study results:
For example, a Cochrane Review would be far more weighted than a retrospective study.
You can also look at who funded the study, how it was conducted, whether it was peer-reviewed...
Here's an engaging TED Talk on some issues with interpreting evidence:
http://www.ted.com/talks/ben_goldacre_battling_bad_science?language=en
I can't be the only one who read that as the "Cocain Review" can I???0
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