Calorie Counting 101

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  • islandrgurl808
    islandrgurl808 Posts: 9 Member
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    I use my scale for everything, I also use the bar scan on my app when I log what I eat. Although I have hit a plateau for about two weeks now and I'm a bit frustrated. I have made my profile public so I can have some input. There are some days that I haven't logged in.
    vismal wrote: »
    Calorie Counting 101

    With the crazy amount of "I'm eating 1200 calories and I'm not losing weight" or "My weight loss has stalled" threads that get posted every day I decided to copy a calorie counting sticky I wrote for another forum. This is a guide to help ensure as much accuracy as possible when counting calories. It may seem OCD to some but for beginners I feel the more accurate they can be, the better. Before you post about how you can't count calories because of an ED, this thread isn't for you. If you have psychological issues with counting calories, simply don't. This thread is to help those who want to use calorie counting as a means to lose weight. It is based on the fact that if you eat less calories then you burn in a day you will lose weight. If you do not believe in this fact then please just don't post here. This thread is also not about how much you should eat and what you should eat. It is simply about how to accurately track what you do eat. Please keep the reply's to things that deal with calorie counting. If you want to talk about any of the aforementioned things, start a new thread.

    Logging foods: In the old days, to calorie count, we had to use paper and pencil. This is why programs like weight watchers became so popular. It essentially dumbed down calorie counting to a point system and made things easier to track. With the advent of software like Myfitnesspal, there is no need for the dumbing down. You can track calories, macro nutrients, micro nutrients, and exercise with very little hassle.

    To correctly implement calorie counting you must log everything you consume in a day that contains calories. This includes liquids and/or supplements that contain calories. Some people also log calorie free foods (gum, diet soda, black coffee, etc). Since they do not contain any calories, this is optional. They may however contain something that you want to track (vitamins, minerals, sodium).

    Weighing foods: You must weigh your foods! Do not estimate! Weigh everything on a kitchen scale. Preferably a digital scale that weighs in grams. Only liquids should be measured by volume (cups tablespoons, etc). On a package of oatmeal the label will usually say that a serving size is ½ cup. It will also have 40g in parentheses. Use a scale to weigh out 40 grams. You will find that if you dump oats into a ½ cup measuring cup that it won’t always equal 40 grams. This becomes more important with calorically dense food such as peanut butter. 1 tablespoon is usually 100 calories, however one can easily put 2-3 “tablespoons” worth of peanut butter on the end of a normal kitchen spoon. Instead weigh the peanut butter according to how many grams are in a serving. The same goes for scoopers found in supplements. One scoop of whey does not always equal 1 serving. Always weigh your whey! Here are some links to a couple of kitchen scales for purchase:
    http://www.amazon.com/EatSmart-Precision-Digital-Kitchen-Silver/dp/B001N07KUE/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1391480839&sr=8-5&keywords=eatsmart+scale
    http://www.amazon.com/Ozeri-Digital-Multifunction-Kitchen-Elegant/dp/B004164SRA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391480816&sr=8-1&keywords=food+scale

    [b[Handling foods with no nutritional information[/b]: Sometimes fruits, vegetables, and meats do not come with nutritional information. The USDA has a comprehensive list of nearly all fruits, vegetables, and many different cuts of meats in grams.

    http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/search/list

    Using myfitnesspal you can simply search the fruit, vegetable, or meat with “usda” afterwards to obtain the same nutritional information. When weighing meat, ALWAYS WEIGH IT RAW. The nutritional facts are based on the raw weight of meat unless packaging specifically states otherwise. This is true for just about any food you cook. If you are simply searching the database for a food with no nutritional information, be wise at what you pick. Don't pick the one option that is significantly lower in calories then all the others simply because it is. You must also be careful with the bar code scanner. Sometimes the scanner will not give you the correct product. Verify this whenever possible.

    Dining out: When dining out, attempt to find nutritional information on the restaurant you are at. Many larger chains have all that information available. Know that this is somewhat of an estimate as they are not weighing things to the gram in the kitchen. They also might be liberal with ingredients like butter and oil which can add up quickly. If the restaurant does not provide nutritional information for their meals, attempt to deconstruct your meal and track it piece by piece. If you want to be 100% accurate you can bring a scale to a restaurant. This not something I do as I don't often eat out, but depending on how accurate you wish to be, it is an option. It's worth considering if you eat out frequently.

    Accuracy: Accept the fact that you will never be 100% accurate. The FDA allows for up to a 20% margin of error with nutritional information. You must simply do the best you can possibly do to not let that margin grow any larger by estimating what you have eaten. Along these lines you will find products that claim to be zero calories like mustard, cooking spray, and many others. They actually have somewhere between 0-5 calories per serving. Because of rounding they can claim zero on the label. If you want to be precise, count them as 5 calories a serving. This is increasingly important if you consume these products frequently.

    Once you have a solid idea of what your daily/weekly consumption is like, it is easy to manipulate calories to fulfill whatever your goals may be. Before you decide that you need to increase or decrease calories to help accomplish goals, ask yourself “Am I tracking everything correctly?” Are you drinking something with calories and not counting it? Are you weighing everything to the gram? Are you having cheat days/meals that you are not tracking? If you answer yes to any of these then your caloric goals may be correct, you are simply not meeting them. Know that if you eat 1500 calories a day and have a once a week cheat day of 3000 calories you are effectively eating 1714 calories a day. This is why you need to track your cheat days. It's okay to have them but if you track them, you can prevent them from skewing your results.

    Tips:Here are some tips that I personally like to use in my own tracking of calories:

    When weighing condiments I zero the scale with the container sitting on the scale. I apply the condiments to my food. I then put the container back on the scale. It will read a negative number in grams. That is how much condiment I used. This does not work for aerosols like pam or whip cream.

    If my goal is weight loss and am going out to eat at a restaurant with no nutritional information, I reconstruct the meal in myfitnesspal and add 10% to the caloric total. This is in case I underestimated. Research shows humans are notorious at underestimating what they eat. In the rare case I overestimated the calories contained in the meal, I can enjoy a small extra deficit for the day. Even if they do provide nutritional information, this might be worth doing. Again, the chef is going to exercise portion control but he isn't weight his butter or your steak on a food scale and tracking to the gram.

    Myfitnesspal lets you enter in your own foods. If something is not in their database you can add it. I get my burritos from Chipotle the same way every time. They have all their nutritional information listed on their website. After I determine the values of my burrito I create the food in MFP and don’t have to bother with it next time. The same goes for Subway.

    If you want to weigh liquids, this site will help you based on what liquid you are weighing http://www.convert-me.com/en/convert/cooking/

    Final thoughts: Counting calories is in my opinion the best thing one can do to help lose weight. This guide was written to help you be as close to 100% accurate as possible. Some of you might not like the idea of bringing a food scale to a restaurant or weighing condiments. These things aren't musts. If you don’t want to do them then you must accept that you will be less accurate than if you had. If you are a bodybuilder preparing for a competition then you will want to be as accurate as humanly possible. If you are just trying to lose weight with no real deadlines and don’t mind if your diet takes a few weeks longer than planned, feel free to be a little less strict. If you find you are not losing weight despite the fact that your caloric intake is low enough that you should be, then you need to start considering doing things like weighing condiments. Only then can you be truly sure it is time to lower calories. I hope this guide helps you guys. Feel free to add your own tips and ask questions! Again, don't turn this into a debate about anything, that isn't the intention of this thread. Make sure your reply's are about calorie counting!

  • PleaseSendPants
    PleaseSendPants Posts: 2 Member
    edited November 2014
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    I have another question on the "weigh it raw" subject... When you weigh a FROZEN chicken breast still frozen because you don't have time to thaw it, doesn't the ice attached to a frozen breast weigh more than the water a thawed breast contains... therefore making the weight inaccurate? BTW I'm posting as someone who's weight loss has stalled and does yet own a scale but will be purchasing one based on the information on this thread.
  • vismal
    vismal Posts: 2,463 Member
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    I have another question on the "weigh it raw" subject... When you weigh a FROZEN chicken breast still frozen because you don't have time to thaw it, doesn't the ice attached to a frozen breast weigh more than the water a thawed breast contains... therefore making the weight inaccurate? BTW I'm posting as someone who's weight loss has stalled and does yet own a scale but will be purchasing one based on the information on this thread.
    It will usually weigh slightly more frozen then raw. I weigh my chicken before I freeze it, place it into freezer bags, and write the raw weight on the bag with a marker.

  • DeterminedFee201426
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    Geez, you must have a never-ending supply of self-control and motivation to do something like this (weighing to the gram, always overestimating calorie amount, etc.).

    You do whatever it takes. Not having self-control and motivation is what makes us complacent.
    (*)

  • PleaseSendPants
    PleaseSendPants Posts: 2 Member
    edited November 2014
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    It will usually weigh slightly more frozen then raw. I weigh my chicken before I freeze it, place it into freezer bags, and write the raw weight on the bag with a marker.

    Thank you for the advice, Vismal!
  • heidispideymfp
    heidispideymfp Posts: 179 Member
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    Awesome post. So glad I came across it.
    I've been needing to read something like this
  • hansel2001
    hansel2001 Posts: 11 Member
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    my question is how to you weigh soup say like Campbell's chicken noodle soup weigh the liquid and noodles together or liquid then noodles and add them together just trying not to over think
  • vismal
    vismal Posts: 2,463 Member
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    hansel2001 wrote: »
    my question is how to you weigh soup say like Campbell's chicken noodle soup weigh the liquid and noodles together or liquid then noodles and add them together just trying not to over think
    Many of the soups do not list their nutritional information based by weight, they list it based by volume even though the soup is not 100% liquid. I would either eat half a can, or the whole can of soup and just go off what the nutritional information says for the whole can.
  • malibu927
    malibu927 Posts: 17,565 Member
    edited December 2014
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    hansel2001 wrote: »
    my question is how to you weigh soup say like Campbell's chicken noodle soup weigh the liquid and noodles together or liquid then noodles and add them together just trying not to over think

    I've noticed that their tomato soup actually needs to be measured in mL, so you need to use a liquid measuring cup for it. I'd check the nutrition label to see if it's the same. But yes, generally anything like that will be weighed/measured together.
  • RHPSgirl1984
    RHPSgirl1984 Posts: 436 Member
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    Good info. Saving.
  • lore11a
    lore11a Posts: 166 Member
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  • evarga12
    evarga12 Posts: 55 Member
    edited December 2014
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    Curious about this - do many of you rely on the calories that a product has vs. the macro calorie count? For example, "fibe one - 80 calorie" cereal says it has 80 calories per 25 grams of cereal but the macros are 25 carb, *1 fat & 1 protein doesn't this equal (100cal) 25Cx4 + (9cal)1Fx9 + (4cal)1Px4=118 calories? I know there might be a variance due to rounding but it wouldn't make the # change to much. Do many of you record what is calculated or what's on the box. My calories to macros were off due to this simple fact.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
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    evarga12 wrote: »
    Curious about this - do many of you rely on the calories that a product has vs. the macro calorie count? For example, "fibe one - 80 calorie" cereal says it has 80 calories per 25 grams of cereal but the macros are 25 carb, *1 fat & 1 protein doesn't this equal (100cal) 25Cx4 + (9cal)1Fx9 + (4cal)1Px4=118 calories? I know there might be a variance due to rounding but it wouldn't make the # change to much. Do many of you record what is calculated or what's on the box. My calories to macros were off due to this simple fact.

    The fiber is counted in the carb grams but you can't digest it so it doesn't count towards the calories.
  • starseed777
    starseed777 Posts: 221 Member
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    Vismal, you are so helpful. Thank you for sharing all this info. I also found your other hugely popular post on muscle building very helpful. Cheers.
  • vismal
    vismal Posts: 2,463 Member
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    evarga12 wrote: »
    Curious about this - do many of you rely on the calories that a product has vs. the macro calorie count? For example, "fibe one - 80 calorie" cereal says it has 80 calories per 25 grams of cereal but the macros are 25 carb, *1 fat & 1 protein doesn't this equal (100cal) 25Cx4 + (9cal)1Fx9 + (4cal)1Px4=118 calories? I know there might be a variance due to rounding but it wouldn't make the # change to much. Do many of you record what is calculated or what's on the box. My calories to macros were off due to this simple fact.

    The fiber is counted in the carb grams but you can't digest it so it doesn't count towards the calories.
    The answer is a bit more complex then this. Not all fiber is indigestible. Certain fibers are partially digested and can add calories. That being said, it is less then the normal 4 calories a carbohydrate usually adds. Some companies reflect this in their labeling while others do not. If you were to count all fiber as zero calories, you would occasionally be eating more calories then you account for. If you counted all fiber as a carb and therefor 4 calories, you would occasionally be eating less calories then you account for. In the end you simply must pick a method and stick to it. If your fiber intake is between 30-60 grams a day, the discrepancy won't be terrible. This is one of those instances where consistency is going to trump accuracy.
  • musicandarts
    musicandarts Posts: 187 Member
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    Great post. Thanks for stressing on the weighing aspect. I suspect this is where most people trip up.
  • fireburnzs
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    Add me guys need all the support from all of you... Please..... :#
  • uneek0626
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    Right now I don't weigh things (just haven't gotten around to buying the scale yet) However I still have quite a bit to lose and I am losing pretty steadily so far so good. Am I right to assume the closer I get to my goal, I'll have to be more exact?

  • uneek0626
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    What are you doing to lose? Counting calories? I have been doing the low carb and thought bout switching to low calories but have noon clue where to start
  • vismal
    vismal Posts: 2,463 Member
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    uneek0626 wrote: »
    What are you doing to lose? Counting calories? I have been doing the low carb and thought bout switching to low calories but have noon clue where to start
    Well, this guide is a pretty good starting point to calorie counting. It pretty much details exactly how to do it. Pick a reasonable calorie goal, try it for a few weeks, and adjust your goal based on your results.